Do You Support Federal Funding For California's High-Speed Rail?

Do You Support Federal Tax Dollars Being Spent On California's High-Speed Rail?


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if you support any republican, then I know who you are

it is all i need to know anymore...if i had to explain that to you, it would mean you watch fox news and no explanation will work

YOU know SQUAT son.

I actually wish I didnt know what I know, for instance, that every word spoken by every rightwinger alive is a lie...if I was ignorant, like rightwingers, I could be a bit happier
well you must be one stupid ************ if you dont think the same thing about people like yourself....you have been here no more than 10 days and yet you seem more like an asshole than anyone on this board except KerryWonOhio.....and thats saying something....because that ****** is a class A Asshole.....
 
Bullshit. They have power over everyone that works for them. I love the "don't like your pay? Get another job" stuff...and you call a more progressive viewpoint a "utopian" one? I think your "everyone should be a businessman" one as asinine as it gets.

You see, you guys are under this strange delusion that people who are poor aren't working hard enough....and therefore don't deserve a decent wage that they can raise a family on, and that businessmen deserve to pay as little as possible to their employees, pay the bare minimum in taxes, and charge as much as they can for their goods and serviced...and, of course, hire scores of lobbyists to petition the government to have a never ending line of favorable legislation to keep the gravy train rolling....but if labor tries to have their voices heard, it's "thuggery".

Who buys all the goods and services that businessmen provide? Would it not behoove them to have as many people as possible to be able to afford those goods and services? Let's face it...those heady days of sending 20-30 credit card apps to people without stellar credit are pretty much over. People are tapped out. The only way to keep this economy moving in a positive direction is for businesses to stop focusing on short term gains via "take it or leave it" wages and benefits and think long term of the glut of sales that a strong working and middle class will bring.

It seems to me that the business world is being very short sighted....but hey, I guess when the big boys see their personal incomes explode while their employees' stagnate and no one says much about it...does nothing about it, and has the government in their back pockets? Long term thinking isn't necessary....neither is patriotism, I guess.

Sorry I took this off topic...this is about a train. Yes, I support the project. I do have my doubts about it's success though. Not because of the technology or the cost, but because of the idiotic aversion that we have in this country towards mass transit.

I like your post.

But lets get back to the topic (sort of).

Why do you think we have the aversion? I think it is because of the time it takes to get from point A to point B. So I think the bullet train has some pluses in that department.

Public transit is very much an "all or nothing" proposition. It requires sustained commitment which the government isn't good at providing.

I think that us Americans have been programmed into a love affair with our cars. I live in the sticks and work in a small town. There is no public transportation, so I drive every day. However, if I worked in the city, I'd love the idea of not having to fight traffic, waste gas sitting in traffic jams and coming to work stressed out before my workday even started.

But that's me. There are still way too many people that think that their car is their little oasis on the road, feel entitled to **** up the air in the cities, and to drive the most impractical, gas guzzling vehicles that they can...stupid false sense of bravado and an idiotic status measurement....that really? In the big picture only makes them look shallow as hell.

Now, do I give a shit if some jackoff wants a Hummer or a big Mercedes? Not at all. But let's be reasonable. If a person can afford a vehicle like that, they can afford a practical, fuel Efficient car for their commutes....or take mass transit.

I think the time it takes is secondary(at least), or else people wouldn't even think about waiting in traffic like I've seen in our cities..,I've been through DC, rode with a buddy of mine who is a truck driver into LA, the "Surekill" expressway that goes into Philly and have driven into NYC. Hell, even more locally for me...the Harrisburg traffic is ridiculous.

No...I think it's a mindset.
 
Bullshit. They have power over everyone that works for them. I love the "don't like your pay? Get another job" stuff...and you call a more progressive viewpoint a "utopian" one? I think your "everyone should be a businessman" one as asinine as it gets.

You see, you guys are under this strange delusion that people who are poor aren't working hard enough....and therefore don't deserve a decent wage that they can raise a family on, and that businessmen deserve to pay as little as possible to their employees, pay the bare minimum in taxes, and charge as much as they can for their goods and serviced...and, of course, hire scores of lobbyists to petition the government to have a never ending line of favorable legislation to keep the gravy train rolling....but if labor tries to have their voices heard, it's "thuggery".

Who buys all the goods and services that businessmen provide? Would it not behoove them to have as many people as possible to be able to afford those goods and services? Let's face it...those heady days of sending 20-30 credit card apps to people without stellar credit are pretty much over. People are tapped out. The only way to keep this economy moving in a positive direction is for businesses to stop focusing on short term gains via "take it or leave it" wages and benefits and think long term of the glut of sales that a strong working and middle class will bring.

It seems to me that the business world is being very short sighted....but hey, I guess when the big boys see their personal incomes explode while their employees' stagnate and no one says much about it...does nothing about it, and has the government in their back pockets? Long term thinking isn't necessary....neither is patriotism, I guess.

Sorry I took this off topic...this is about a train. Yes, I support the project. I do have my doubts about it's success though. Not because of the technology or the cost, but because of the idiotic aversion that we have in this country towards mass transit.

I like your post.

But lets get back to the topic (sort of).

Why do you think we have the aversion? I think it is because of the time it takes to get from point A to point B. So I think the bullet train has some pluses in that department.

Public transit is very much an "all or nothing" proposition. It requires sustained commitment which the government isn't good at providing.

I think that us Americans have been programmed into a love affair with our cars. I live in the sticks and work in a small town. There is no public transportation, so I drive every day. However, if I worked in the city, I'd love the idea of not having to fight traffic, waste gas sitting in traffic jams and coming to work stressed out before my workday even started.

But that's me. There are still way too many people that think that their car is their little oasis on the road, feel entitled to **** up the air in the cities, and to drive the most impractical, gas guzzling vehicles that they can...stupid false sense of bravado and an idiotic status measurement....that really? In the big picture only makes them look shallow as hell.

Now, do I give a shit if some jackoff wants a Hummer or a big Mercedes? Not at all. But let's be reasonable. If a person can afford a vehicle like that, they can afford a practical, fuel Efficient car for their commutes....or take mass transit.

I think the time it takes is secondary(at least), or else people wouldn't even think about waiting in traffic like I've seen in our cities..,I've been through DC, rode with a buddy of mine who is a truck driver into LA, the "Surekill" expressway that goes into Philly and have driven into NYC. Hell, even more locally for me...the Harrisburg traffic is ridiculous.

No...I think it's a mindset.

You may be right; I think you may have changed my mind. While speed is important, your "oasis theory" may be a more central issue.
 
I like your post.

But lets get back to the topic (sort of).

Why do you think we have the aversion? I think it is because of the time it takes to get from point A to point B. So I think the bullet train has some pluses in that department.

Public transit is very much an "all or nothing" proposition. It requires sustained commitment which the government isn't good at providing.

I think that us Americans have been programmed into a love affair with our cars. I live in the sticks and work in a small town. There is no public transportation, so I drive every day. However, if I worked in the city, I'd love the idea of not having to fight traffic, waste gas sitting in traffic jams and coming to work stressed out before my workday even started.

But that's me. There are still way too many people that think that their car is their little oasis on the road, feel entitled to **** up the air in the cities, and to drive the most impractical, gas guzzling vehicles that they can...stupid false sense of bravado and an idiotic status measurement....that really? In the big picture only makes them look shallow as hell.

Now, do I give a shit if some jackoff wants a Hummer or a big Mercedes? Not at all. But let's be reasonable. If a person can afford a vehicle like that, they can afford a practical, fuel Efficient car for their commutes....or take mass transit.

I think the time it takes is secondary(at least), or else people wouldn't even think about waiting in traffic like I've seen in our cities..,I've been through DC, rode with a buddy of mine who is a truck driver into LA, the "Surekill" expressway that goes into Philly and have driven into NYC. Hell, even more locally for me...the Harrisburg traffic is ridiculous.

No...I think it's a mindset.

You may be right; I think you may have changed my mind. While speed is important, your "oasis theory" may be a more central issue.
Problem is however, is his opinion on the bullet train helping to relieve what he is talking about ummmmm just won't happen, because it will not be placed in an area that needs the most help to relieve the situations in which he is talking about. Oops back to square one again.... B )

PS, It will take a far greater comprehensive approach to solving the problems in which he is using to justify the train, where as the train will be just a showboat streaking out across the desert at full speed for everyone to gaulk at, but will end up being yet another waist the nation decided to create for themselves to show exceptionalism....Uh oh, you mean the dems want the nation to be exceptional again, I thought they hated that word?
 
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They'll build it all the way to the border so illegals can hop on for free and get to the sanctuary cities faster.
 
Just a note for the 6 people that actually think this is a good idea, every single Democrat on the high speed rail oversight committee in the California Senate voted against this boondoggle. Does that mean they all hate jobs, or is it remotely possible you have no idea what you are talking about?

California approves high-speed rail project after years of debate - San Jose Mercury News

it's not surprising that this money bit from hell passed, majority of congress in cali are democRats. just another epic distater moonbeam 2.0 has made his mark....in midevil times, tar and feathered and then take him down into the dungeon.
 
Just a note for the 6 people that actually think this is a good idea, every single Democrat on the high speed rail oversight committee in the California Senate voted against this boondoggle. Does that mean they all hate jobs, or is it remotely possible you have no idea what you are talking about?

California approves high-speed rail project after years of debate - San Jose Mercury News

Oh I get it. Since you take your matching orders from the GOP establishment, I do too?

AZZHAT,your source is the mercury news and has demonstrated on several occasions there left slant....even the mercury news as u use as a source has proven that but your party lines of logic are welded to your ass with the same rinse and repeat of INCOHERENT LOGIC.
 
They'll build it all the way to the border so illegals can hop on for free and get to the sanctuary cities faster.

50% don't pay taxes in this country and of those 50% how manny have proven to be a patriotic American, slim pickings.
 
I think that us Americans have been programmed into a love affair with our cars. I live in the sticks and work in a small town. There is no public transportation, so I drive every day. However, if I worked in the city, I'd love the idea of not having to fight traffic, waste gas sitting in traffic jams and coming to work stressed out before my workday even started.

But that's me. There are still way too many people that think that their car is their little oasis on the road, feel entitled to **** up the air in the cities, and to drive the most impractical, gas guzzling vehicles that they can...stupid false sense of bravado and an idiotic status measurement....that really? In the big picture only makes them look shallow as hell.

Now, do I give a shit if some jackoff wants a Hummer or a big Mercedes? Not at all. But let's be reasonable. If a person can afford a vehicle like that, they can afford a practical, fuel Efficient car for their commutes....or take mass transit.

I think the time it takes is secondary(at least), or else people wouldn't even think about waiting in traffic like I've seen in our cities..,I've been through DC, rode with a buddy of mine who is a truck driver into LA, the "Surekill" expressway that goes into Philly and have driven into NYC. Hell, even more locally for me...the Harrisburg traffic is ridiculous.

No...I think it's a mindset.

You may be right; I think you may have changed my mind. While speed is important, your "oasis theory" may be a more central issue.
Problem is however, is his opinion on the bullet train helping to relieve what he is talking about ummmmm just won't happen, because it will not be placed in an area that needs the most help to relieve the situations in which he is talking about. Oops back to square one again.... B )

PS, It will take a far greater comprehensive approach to solving the problems in which he is using to justify the train, where as the train will be just a showboat streaking out across the desert at full speed for everyone to gaulk at, but will end up being yet another waist the nation decided to create for themselves to show exceptionalism....Uh oh, you mean the dems want the nation to be exceptional again, I thought they hated that word?

You seem to be arguing with yourself....
 
Bullshit. They have power over everyone that works for them. I love the "don't like your pay? Get another job" stuff...and you call a more progressive viewpoint a "utopian" one? I think your "everyone should be a businessman" one as asinine as it gets.

You see, you guys are under this strange delusion that people who are poor aren't working hard enough....and therefore don't deserve a decent wage that they can raise a family on, and that businessmen deserve to pay as little as possible to their employees, pay the bare minimum in taxes, and charge as much as they can for their goods and serviced...and, of course, hire scores of lobbyists to petition the government to have a never ending line of favorable legislation to keep the gravy train rolling....but if labor tries to have their voices heard, it's "thuggery".

Who buys all the goods and services that businessmen provide? Would it not behoove them to have as many people as possible to be able to afford those goods and services? Let's face it...those heady days of sending 20-30 credit card apps to people without stellar credit are pretty much over. People are tapped out. The only way to keep this economy moving in a positive direction is for businesses to stop focusing on short term gains via "take it or leave it" wages and benefits and think long term of the glut of sales that a strong working and middle class will bring.

It seems to me that the business world is being very short sighted....but hey, I guess when the big boys see their personal incomes explode while their employees' stagnate and no one says much about it...does nothing about it, and has the government in their back pockets? Long term thinking isn't necessary....neither is patriotism, I guess.

Sorry I took this off topic...this is about a train. Yes, I support the project. I do have my doubts about it's success though. Not because of the technology or the cost, but because of the idiotic aversion that we have in this country towards mass transit.

I like your post.

But lets get back to the topic (sort of).

Why do you think we have the aversion? I think it is because of the time it takes to get from point A to point B. So I think the bullet train has some pluses in that department.

Public transit is very much an "all or nothing" proposition. It requires sustained commitment which the government isn't good at providing.

I think that us Americans have been programmed into a love affair with our cars. I live in the sticks and work in a small town. There is no public transportation, so I drive every day. However, if I worked in the city, I'd love the idea of not having to fight traffic, waste gas sitting in traffic jams and coming to work stressed out before my workday even started.

But that's me. There are still way too many people that think that their car is their little oasis on the road, feel entitled to **** up the air in the cities, and to drive the most impractical, gas guzzling vehicles that they can...stupid false sense of bravado and an idiotic status measurement....that really? In the big picture only makes them look shallow as hell.

Now, do I give a shit if some jackoff wants a Hummer or a big Mercedes? Not at all. But let's be reasonable. If a person can afford a vehicle like that, they can afford a practical, fuel Efficient car for their commutes....or take mass transit.

I think the time it takes is secondary(at least), or else people wouldn't even think about waiting in traffic like I've seen in our cities..,I've been through DC, rode with a buddy of mine who is a truck driver into LA, the "Surekill" expressway that goes into Philly and have driven into NYC. Hell, even more locally for me...the Harrisburg traffic is ridiculous.

No...I think it's a mindset.

Maybe the government can outlaw Hummers and big Mercedes. Would that make you happy?
 
I like your post.

But lets get back to the topic (sort of).

Why do you think we have the aversion? I think it is because of the time it takes to get from point A to point B. So I think the bullet train has some pluses in that department.

Public transit is very much an "all or nothing" proposition. It requires sustained commitment which the government isn't good at providing.

I think that us Americans have been programmed into a love affair with our cars. I live in the sticks and work in a small town. There is no public transportation, so I drive every day. However, if I worked in the city, I'd love the idea of not having to fight traffic, waste gas sitting in traffic jams and coming to work stressed out before my workday even started.

But that's me. There are still way too many people that think that their car is their little oasis on the road, feel entitled to **** up the air in the cities, and to drive the most impractical, gas guzzling vehicles that they can...stupid false sense of bravado and an idiotic status measurement....that really? In the big picture only makes them look shallow as hell.

Now, do I give a shit if some jackoff wants a Hummer or a big Mercedes? Not at all. But let's be reasonable. If a person can afford a vehicle like that, they can afford a practical, fuel Efficient car for their commutes....or take mass transit.

I think the time it takes is secondary(at least), or else people wouldn't even think about waiting in traffic like I've seen in our cities..,I've been through DC, rode with a buddy of mine who is a truck driver into LA, the "Surekill" expressway that goes into Philly and have driven into NYC. Hell, even more locally for me...the Harrisburg traffic is ridiculous.

No...I think it's a mindset.

Maybe the government can outlaw Hummers and big Mercedes. Would that make you happy?

I'm pretty sure it would. Nanny/Police Staters just love banning things.

GIVE US OUR DAMN LIGHT BULBS BACK!! :mad:
 
Paulians, how funny they are...their mutual hate for minorities is so cute to watch
 
Paulians, how funny they are...their mutual hate for minorities is so cute to watch

Just can't help playing the race card, can you?

Idiot.

:lol::lol::lol:

how laughable you idiot bigot...rand and ron paul want to repeal civil rights legislation, that makes every single person supporting them bigots or racists

now, if you are a minority and stupidly support these terrorists, then you are NOT a racist you are a bigot
 
I think that us Americans have been programmed into a love affair with our cars. I live in the sticks and work in a small town. There is no public transportation, so I drive every day. However, if I worked in the city, I'd love the idea of not having to fight traffic, waste gas sitting in traffic jams and coming to work stressed out before my workday even started.

But that's me. There are still way too many people that think that their car is their little oasis on the road, feel entitled to **** up the air in the cities, and to drive the most impractical, gas guzzling vehicles that they can...stupid false sense of bravado and an idiotic status measurement....that really? In the big picture only makes them look shallow as hell.

Now, do I give a shit if some jackoff wants a Hummer or a big Mercedes? Not at all. But let's be reasonable. If a person can afford a vehicle like that, they can afford a practical, fuel Efficient car for their commutes....or take mass transit.

I think the time it takes is secondary(at least), or else people wouldn't even think about waiting in traffic like I've seen in our cities..,I've been through DC, rode with a buddy of mine who is a truck driver into LA, the "Surekill" expressway that goes into Philly and have driven into NYC. Hell, even more locally for me...the Harrisburg traffic is ridiculous.

No...I think it's a mindset.

Maybe the government can outlaw Hummers and big Mercedes. Would that make you happy?

I'm pretty sure it would. Nanny/Police Staters just love banning things.

GIVE US OUR DAMN LIGHT BULBS BACK!! :mad:

they were not banned.....
 
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Maybe the government can outlaw Hummers and big Mercedes. Would that make you happy?

I'm pretty sure it would. Nanny/Police Staters just love banning things.

GIVE US OUR DAMN LIGHT BULBS BACK!! :mad:

they were not banned.....

Why do you keep claiming that? Essentially -- it's an incremental ban.. When you write a spec for stuff and EXCLUDE an object by design --- It's a ban.. And a spec that doesn't make much sense since Incand. bulbs are 100% efficient anytime the Central Heat is on in my home..
 
Democratic Lawmakers just gave the green light to start building an estimated $68 Billion high-speed rail line in California. This, despite California being very deep in Debt. They have also requested partial Federal Funding for the project. Should Non-Californians be forced to give their Tax Dollars to this project? What do you think? How do you feel about that?
i dunno? How much does the State of California send to the federal gvt in taxes? How much do they get back? Are they one of those States that sends the fed gvt tax money just for it to be spent in poorer states?

:D
 
I'm pretty sure it would. Nanny/Police Staters just love banning things.

GIVE US OUR DAMN LIGHT BULBS BACK!! :mad:

they were not banned.....

Why do you keep claiming that? Essentially -- it's an incremental ban.. When you write a spec for stuff and EXCLUDE an object by design --- It's a ban.. And a spec that doesn't make much sense since Incand. bulbs are 100% efficient anytime the Central Heat is on in my home..

i say it because i can still by Incandescent bulbs....and i live in a State that loves banning things....and because i believe Congress overturned the ban....
 
they were not banned.....

Why do you keep claiming that? Essentially -- it's an incremental ban.. When you write a spec for stuff and EXCLUDE an object by design --- It's a ban.. And a spec that doesn't make much sense since Incand. bulbs are 100% efficient anytime the Central Heat is on in my home..

i say it because i can still by Incandescent bulbs....and i live in a State that loves banning things....and because i believe Congress overturned the ban....

Not to my knowledge it wasn't.. It's incremental starting with 100 watts and working down. And S.C. found a loophole that allows a factory WITHIN the state to sell them in that state. Because (I assume) it's based on interstate commerce.

Which is a great way to pick up the economy actually.. Go ban cars. Then there can factories in every state to make them locally. In fact -- just dissolve the freakin Union, build some whopping fences and watch the economy soar..
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