Do you consider this Justice? Is this who we are?

[protectionist]

Open borders plea.

1) FALSE
2) FALSE
3) TRUE (ie. "moral compass & humanity to its own citizens)

Note: I meant this to be in response to post # 448. Sorry for the discrepancy

 

[protectionist]

Yes, I do encounter a few Trump voters & some of them regret voting for him. Who knew it would take such a short time for them to smarten up.

What a stupid idea.
I know dozens of Trump voters. NONE regret voting for him.

 

[SweetTea]

Yes, I do encounter a few Trump voters & some of them regret voting for him. Who knew it would take such a short time for them to smarten up.

I doubt that. Now on the other hand, there are many that didn’t vote for him and are glad they did and likely many that did vote for him but told you they didn’t for fear of the typical hysteria from Democrats when confronted with differing opinions. We don’t have that problem in my area. In fact, a person with a Harris/Walz sticker on their car(typically a Prius), gets a lot of side to side head shakes on their daily commute.

 

[SweetTea]

Either way is illegal.

Nope. It must be shown that the employer knowingly hired an illegal.

 

[pknopp]

Nope. It must be shown that the employer knowingly hired an illegal.

"Under the table".

 

[Cellblock2429]

Here in this video is a Guatemalan man that was deported this week. This man was here in the U.S. illegally but he has been here for 19 years and he is married and has 2 children, one of which is 4 months old.



Imagine the consequences that his family is now going to suffer.

Is this Justice? Is this who we are now?

/---/ So he had 19 years to apply for and gain citizenship. Instead, he gave the US the middle finger.
Now get in line and do it the right way.
Adios amigo

 

[SweetTea]

"Under the table".

Yes, under the table would be a problem as well, although a different problem that would affect the hiring of illegals and legals. Again, it has to be proven that they knowingly hired an illegal for it to be illegal.

 

[pknopp]

Yes, under the table would be a problem as well, although a different problem that would affect the hiring of illegals and illegals. Again, it has to be proven that they knowingly hired an illegal for it to be illegal.

"Under the table", that is what I replied to. Either way an illegal action by the employer.

 

[SweetTea]

"Under the table", that is what I replied to. Either way an illegal action by the employer.

And the third option, which is what I was referring to, was that the employer didn’t hire him under the table and didn’t know he was illegal. The could have provided a fake SS card. The employer may have even completed an I9 that he sent off to the government. How would the employer be held responsible in this case?

 

[pknopp]

And the third option, which is what I was referring to, was that the employer didn’t hire him under the table and didn’t know he was illegal. The could have provided a fake SS card. The employer may have even completed an I9 that he sent off to the government. How would the employer be held responsible in this case?

The employer knew he was here illegally. You along with many others feel this incredibly pressing need to defend the businesses attracting people here for jobs.

 

[Luckyone]

You can be as tired as you like, but ALL of the Jan 6 political theater set-up was a scam, with dozens of Biden FBI & Capitol Police in full participation, arresting people on false charges, and then illegally imprisoning them for far longer wtihout trial, than the law allows (maximum 70 days).

Trump has a ton of things on his plate to deal with right now, after 4 years of Joe Biden using the presidency to make money, and simultaneously letting the country fall apart. After the deportations, astronomical prices, er al issues are brought back to normal, I think the Trump administration is going to go after a lot of Biden bad guys, starting with all those behind the J6 FARCE, Merrit Garland, Joke Biden, and all his string pullers. Keep watching.

You have been brainwashed.

Was there a protest where people entered the Capitol by force, broke windows, and had weapons with them? Yes or no?

 

[buckeye45_73]

Here in this video is a Guatemalan man that was deported this week. This man was here in the U.S. illegally but he has been here for 19 years and he is married and has 2 children, one of which is 4 months old.



Imagine the consequences that his family is now going to suffer.

Is this Justice? Is this who we are now?

19 years and he couldn't bother filling out some paper work?

 

[buckeye45_73]

The employer knew he was here illegally. You along with many others feel this incredibly pressing need to defend the businesses attracting people here for jobs.

I agree we should sanction businesses for hiring illegals. Hiring an illegal should be like serving a minor alcohol.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

Look, let me give you some basics so you will understand what I am saying

1) Illegal immigration is worldwide and as long as the overpopulation in the world continues to grow and as long as there are bad nations to live in, it will continue. None of the above is going to be resolved without a worldwide catastrophe occurring

2) there is very little that any country that has something good to offer can do to stop immigrants coming

3) if a country loses its moral compass and humanity, worse problems will occur

I don't view enforcing immigration law as losing our moral compass and humanity.

All of the above are facts and reality. Nonetheless, that doesn't mean you give up. Some positive changes can be made to limit and control immigration. For that to occur, all parties and all citizens have to be in accord because as long as there is infighting, things will not work. For that to happen, everyone needs to understand the problem and agree to work together by compromising.

The problem itself will get better even if immigrants come, as long as there is a legal way to do it and allows people to come with the idea of doing it legally (everyone wants that, even the immigrants themselves). By doing that, it also works to getting rid of the bad and illegal criminal immigrants as they would not qualify to become legalized and also it would mean that the border patrol could be more successful as they would have less people to go after.

The immigrants that are accepted legally would also contribute more as they would be paying taxes, they would be contributing as all Americans do.

Yes, we would suffer some as they would be generating costs and would be taking some jobs away but the situation that exists worldwide is not going to go away, so the idea is to work it so the losses are not as great and the benefits are a bit higher, but nonetheless, not a perfect or even all that acceptable but it is better than the road we are presently on

Again, you're not saying anything here that suggests we should be doing anything other than deporting illegals when we find them.

What you say here is all well and good but at the end of the day, reality will always assert itself. The reality is that the current immigration shipwreck is due to choices made on both sides and choices come with consequences. Instead of judging how we as a nation react to other peoples' choices (within the context of enforcing the law), we need to, first and foremost, recognize that they were, indeed, choices and that those who made those choices should be judged by, and held accountable for them.

That said, the gentleman in question made a choice to come here illegally (or his parents did), set up residence and raise a family in a country where he was not a citizen or even a legal resident. As much as the current situation must suck for him, that was his choice and he should be held accountable.

 

[Woodznutz]

Nope. It must be shown that the employer knowingly hired an illegal.

That would be revealed by the job application form.

Line 17. Are you legally in the U.S. Yes___No___

If the applicant answers in the affirmative the employer is off the hook.

 

[pknopp]

That would be revealed by the job application form.

Line 17. Are you legally in the U.S. Yes___No___

If the applicant answers in the affirmative the employer is off the hook.

Hardly.

 

[Luckyone]

I don't view enforcing immigration law as losing our moral compass and humanity.

Enforcing immigration law is not immoral or inhumane but the way it is enforced can be. Life is full of exceptions to the rule and morality comes from giving each and every exception some thought.

For example, a person that just crossed the border illegally (without applying for asylum) does need to get deported immediately and without question. A person that crossed the border 19 years ago and has a family that is American (as his 2 children are), needs to be considered and exception that needs to be addressed as such. This means he should not be immediately deported but given the chance to make his case in a court of law.

Yes, he should be jailed as he is a flight risk, but he needs to be given a chance to make his case in court before he is deported, if the judge says so. He did break the law but it was 19 years ago. Most crimes have a statute of limitations where it expires within a few years, There is no statute of limitations on illegal aliens but there should be..............19 years is a long time.

Again, you're not saying anything here that suggests we should be doing anything other than deporting illegals when we find them.

What you say here is all well and good but at the end of the day, reality will always assert itself. The reality is that the current immigration shipwreck is due to choices made on both sides and choices come with consequences. Instead of judging how we as a nation react to other peoples' choices (within the context of enforcing the law), we need to, first and foremost, recognize that they were, indeed, choices and that those who made those choices should be judged by, and held accountable for them.

You said it..........they should be JUDGED BY and held accountable..............meaning they should go in front of a judge and he then makes the decision

That said, the gentleman in question made a choice to come here illegally (or his parents did), set up residence and raise a family in a country where he was not a citizen or even a legal resident. As much as the current situation must suck for him, that was his choice and he should be held accountable.

See above.

I do want to make clear that I am not for allowing anyone to break the law. As such, I am not saying that this Guatemalan person has earned the right to stay in the United States. What I am saying is that there are mitigating circumstances involved that need to be put out into view and evaluated by a judge, other than simply having a bulk deportation of everyone because the president wanted it to be so. We are all humans and as such, we should be treated with humanity.

 

[protectionist]

You have been brainwashed.

Was there a protest where people entered the Capitol by force, broke windows, and had weapons with them? Yes or no?

Engineered by Pelosi and other top rank Democrats. I don't know about the weapons part. Many protesters arrested for having weapons said they had none. Anyone have a video showing them with weapons ?(who wasn't an agent provacateur posing as protester)

 

[Luckyone]

Engineered by Pelosi and other top rank Democrats. I don't know about the weapons part. Many protesters arrested for having weapons said they had none. Anyone have a video showing them with weapons ?(who wasn't an agent provacateur posing as protester)

Engineered by Pelosi? You mean that she led the protest to the Capitol?

Weapons part? absolutely, the videos of the protest SHOW it. Agent provocateur? That was Trump that vocally sent them to the Capitol. Why would you even think that there was an agent provocateur among the group and that he HIMSELF caused all 1500+ people to go into the Capitol? that is a hilarious conspiracy theory.

Bottom line, this is totally evident

This is your agent provocateur



Do you have any videos of anyone else asking them to go to the Capitol?

 

[WEATHER53]

Playtime for and with illegals has ended,
In 4 years about 5 million will be gone but Way More Importantly the influx will have dried up to less than 1,000 per year.