Do You Believe In Civil Rights?

[pismoe]

I think we need to fight for our constitutional rights. There are no real civil rights. There are only constitutional rights.

Today, the 'civil rights movement' is largely an attempt to take away rights, not grant them.

For example, you do not have a 'right' to my services. My business is my property, and I have the constitutional right to do with my property as I please.

You do not have a right to my business. So a civil right that tells me I can't do with my property as I please, isn't protecting the rights of someone else.... they don't have a right to someone's business.... instead all it is, is an attempt to take away rights from others.

Therefore, no we do not need to fight for civil rights.

------------------------------------------ i think that the correct way to look at 'civil rights' is that 'civil rights' in many cases take away Real Rights and FREEDOM from Property owners and those that don't want to associate with certain others . And the funny thing is that since civil rights are put in place by law makers is that those same civil rights can just as easily be revoked by law makers .

 

[IM2]

Because it is time to take away special rights given to classes of people just because of their color, to be productive, and to be REALLY JUST all people should be graded, and measured by the same standards and given just what they have earned, no special programs, no special extra points, and no preference to meet any quota. Equality in all factors is what the CONSTITUTION REQUIRES. No equality of outcome without equality of input. No equality of assets by redistribution. No equality of anything by government intervention. That is real civil rights. Our fight is for REAL rights NOT implied rights for chosen classes.

Then I guess we rewrite the constitution because it provided special rights to whites.

 

[IM2]

Favored classes are unconstitutional. Enforce equality under the law, not favoritism under the law.

It's amazing how so many whites like you suffer from amnesia.

 

[IM2]

Do you believe that civil rights needs more attention, or it already have had enough and it's time to move on?

Why/why not?

I think all the recent evidence is that there IS oppression. Not so much race based as class based. If you read the Federal report on Ferguson for instance you'll find the MAIN source of oppression is a local govt that had an average of 3 outstanding warrants and 1.5 arrests per household. A system where MOST of those warrants were garbage or clerical errors. A system where someone TRYING to pay off a fine in installments had their money returned and their asses thrown in jail. .

There is a CLEAR pattern of oppression from muni govts that try to run by the SAME rules as wealthier towns or suburbs. And the irony of all that is of course -- that these victims just love them some MORE big muscular govt with piss poor "customer service" and lack of innovation.. And they VOTE that way -- all the ******* time.

That "innovation" has to come from recognizing that problems that LOOK like "racial oppression" are often clearly --- something else entirely.. And it has to come from folks that THINK emancipated and better represented.

LOL! Basically 3 paragraphs of idiocy.

 

[flacaltenn]

Do you believe that civil rights needs more attention, or it already have had enough and it's time to move on?

Why/why not?

I think all the recent evidence is that there IS oppression. Not so much race based as class based. If you read the Federal report on Ferguson for instance you'll find the MAIN source of oppression is a local govt that had an average of 3 outstanding warrants and 1.5 arrests per household. A system where MOST of those warrants were garbage or clerical errors. A system where someone TRYING to pay off a fine in installments had their money returned and their asses thrown in jail. .

There is a CLEAR pattern of oppression from muni govts that try to run by the SAME rules as wealthier towns or suburbs. And the irony of all that is of course -- that these victims just love them some MORE big muscular govt with piss poor "customer service" and lack of innovation.. And they VOTE that way -- all the ******* time.

That "innovation" has to come from recognizing that problems that LOOK like "racial oppression" are often clearly --- something else entirely.. And it has to come from folks that THINK emancipated and better represented.

LOL! Basically 3 paragraphs of idiocy.

Did you READ the Ferguson report? Most of the problems cited were from local government not provided a standard of public service that matched the economics of the community. Incarcerated homeless ladies who committed "THE CRIME" of trying to pay her parking ticket off with $10/month in a stamped envelope. Wouldn't accept it. Ferguson trying to operate govt like New Haven Conn.

THe IDIOCY is you being totally unprepared to comment on my post.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Favored classes are unconstitutional. Enforce equality under the law, not favoritism under the law.

It's amazing how so many whites like you suffer from amnesia.

Please make sense so that I can respond.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

Do you believe that civil rights needs more attention, or it already have had enough and it's time to move on?

Why/why not?

I believe in equal rights what the left wants is special rights for certain groups.

 

[MarcATL]

I believe in equal rights what the left wants is special rights for certain groups.

How do you account for the special rights that were given to whites only in this country for damn near 400 years straight? Should that not be addressed?

 

[IM2]

Do you believe that civil rights needs more attention, or it already have had enough and it's time to move on?

Why/why not?

I think all the recent evidence is that there IS oppression. Not so much race based as class based. If you read the Federal report on Ferguson for instance you'll find the MAIN source of oppression is a local govt that had an average of 3 outstanding warrants and 1.5 arrests per household. A system where MOST of those warrants were garbage or clerical errors. A system where someone TRYING to pay off a fine in installments had their money returned and their asses thrown in jail. .

There is a CLEAR pattern of oppression from muni govts that try to run by the SAME rules as wealthier towns or suburbs. And the irony of all that is of course -- that these victims just love them some MORE big muscular govt with piss poor "customer service" and lack of innovation.. And they VOTE that way -- all the ******* time.

That "innovation" has to come from recognizing that problems that LOOK like "racial oppression" are often clearly --- something else entirely.. And it has to come from folks that THINK emancipated and better represented.

LOL! Basically 3 paragraphs of idiocy.

Did you READ the Ferguson report? Most of the problems cited were from local government not provided a standard of public service that matched the economics of the community. Incarcerated homeless ladies who committed "THE CRIME" of trying to pay her parking ticket off with $10/month in a stamped envelope. Wouldn't accept it. Ferguson trying to operate govt like New Haven Conn.

THe IDIOCY is you being totally unprepared to comment on my post.

Had I not read the Ferguson report I would not have called your post idiocy. The question is did YOU read the report or did YOU chose to pull out parts that allow you to deny that racism was a the root of the problem?

From the Ferguson report, page 2, paragraph 1

Ferguson’s law enforcement practices are shaped by the City’s focus on revenue rather than by public safety needs. This emphasis on revenue has compromised the institutional character of Ferguson’s police department, contributing to a pattern of unconstitutional policing, and has also shaped its municipal court, leading to procedures that raise due process concerns and inflict unnecessary harm on members of the Ferguson community. Further, Ferguson’s police and municipal court practices both reflect and exacerbate existing racial bias, including racial stereotypes. Ferguson’s own data establish clear racial disparities that adversely impact African Americans. The evidence shows that discriminatory intent is part of the reason for these disparities. Over time, Ferguson’s police and municipal court practices have sown deep mistrust between parts of the community and the police department, undermining law enforcement legitimacy among African Americans in particular.

Your post was pure idiocy.

 

[Doc1]

Do you believe that civil rights needs more attention, or it already have had enough and it's time to move on?

Why/why not?

I think all the recent evidence is that there IS oppression. Not so much race based as class based. If you read the Federal report on Ferguson for instance you'll find the MAIN source of oppression is a local govt that had an average of 3 outstanding warrants and 1.5 arrests per household. A system where MOST of those warrants were garbage or clerical errors. A system where someone TRYING to pay off a fine in installments had their money returned and their asses thrown in jail. .

There is a CLEAR pattern of oppression from muni govts that try to run by the SAME rules as wealthier towns or suburbs. And the irony of all that is of course -- that these victims just love them some MORE big muscular govt with piss poor "customer service" and lack of innovation.. And they VOTE that way -- all the ******* time.

That "innovation" has to come from recognizing that problems that LOOK like "racial oppression" are often clearly --- something else entirely.. And it has to come from folks that THINK emancipated and better represented.

LOL! Basically 3 paragraphs of idiocy.

Did you READ the Ferguson report? Most of the problems cited were from local government not provided a standard of public service that matched the economics of the community. Incarcerated homeless ladies who committed "THE CRIME" of trying to pay her parking ticket off with $10/month in a stamped envelope. Wouldn't accept it. Ferguson trying to operate govt like New Haven Conn.

THe IDIOCY is you being totally unprepared to comment on my post.

Had I not read the Ferguson report I would not have called your post idiocy. The question is did YOU read the report or did YOU chose to pull out parts that allow you to deny that racism was a the root of the problem?

From the Ferguson report, page 2, paragraph 1

Ferguson’s law enforcement practices are shaped by the City’s focus on revenue rather than by public safety needs. This emphasis on revenue has compromised the institutional character of Ferguson’s police department, contributing to a pattern of unconstitutional policing, and has also shaped its municipal court, leading to procedures that raise due process concerns and inflict unnecessary harm on members of the Ferguson community. Further, Ferguson’s police and municipal court practices both reflect and exacerbate existing racial bias, including racial stereotypes. Ferguson’s own data establish clear racial disparities that adversely impact African Americans. The evidence shows that discriminatory intent is part of the reason for these disparities. Over time, Ferguson’s police and municipal court practices have sown deep mistrust between parts of the community and the police department, undermining law enforcement legitimacy among African Americans in particular.

Your post was pure idiocy.

You have every "Right" in the world to be "civil" but your racism precludes it. Mr. Holder made it clear, nothing alleged happened to Mr. Brown. The thug died as he lived, violently.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

I believe in equal rights what the left wants is special rights for certain groups.

How do you account for the special rights that were given to whites only in this country for damn near 400 years straight? Should that not be addressed?

So you think that calls for special rights ? Go ahead and admit you think you should get paid for past transgressions and that it should be funded by people like me who had **** all to do with those transgressions. Its because I'm white right ?

 

[Correll]

I think that 'civil rights' are simply Grants , Favors and Permissions ready to be revoked by 'goverment' at any time

actually the constitution is why there are civil rights.

And excellent example of one of the deepest fundamental differences between conservatives and liberals.


Conservatives believe that it is the duty of the government to protect our god given rights.


Liberals believe that the government gives us our rights.


And that is why no liberal should EVERY be allowed to be a judge.

you think the government & the constitution are one & the same?

lol.... what a fool. & what makes you think i'm a liberal? you get that fake news from the same place where you think i am part of antifa & godless ?

Pretty much everything you say, makes me think you are a "liberal" in the modern usage of the word.


Indeed, believing that the Government GRANTS rights, instead of them being God Given or innate, is pretty much definitive, that you are a "liberal".

 

[Correll]

And excellent example of one of the deepest fundamental differences between conservatives and liberals.


Conservatives believe that it is the duty of the government to protect our god given rights.


Liberals believe that the government gives us our rights.


And that is why no liberal should EVERY be allowed to be a judge.

Conservatives are THEE biggest violators of civil rights both historically, and world-wide.

That makes what you're stating total hogwash.

I'm speaking American Conservatives of course. As conservatives want to conserve what they see as good in their culture and/or nation, that would be completely different in different cultures and nations.


The American system of government is founded on the principle that our Rights are GOD GIVEN, and thus CANNOT BE taken away by government action.


They can be VIOLATED by government action, but that is a terrible injustice.



This is one of the deepest fundamental differences between conservatives and liberals in America today.

 

[danielpalos]

What special rights is the right wing talking about?

This is what some on the left understand our supreme law of the land to be:

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.

 

[flacaltenn]

You only remember the parts you WANT to remember and not the complete failure of the city govt to work WITH all people that are struggling economically. The racial bias is front and center because that's why the FEDS were involved.

But 3 warrants/household/year -- a LOT OF them in error is not LAW enforcement racism.. It's systematic INCOMPETENCE of the govt. The POlice can only act on the paperwork that exists. That's why a woman living in her car who TRIES to pay off her parking ticket in monthly mail-order $10 bills, ends up in jail. Or how many broken taillight stops escalate to "failure to appear" because the courts are jammed and the working poor can't SIT in court all day waiting for their turn.

You'll never understand Ferguson at all -- if you don't READ THE WHOLE document. And not just the parts you like to hear. But you understand very little about HELPING or FIXING any of the justice issues for the working poor because you focus SOLELY on race statistics and preconceived outcomes of reports.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Because it is time to take away special rights given to classes of people just because of their color, to be productive, and to be REALLY JUST all people should be graded, and measured by the same standards and given just what they have earned, no special programs, no special extra points, and no preference to meet any quota. Equality in all factors is what the CONSTITUTION REQUIRES. No equality of outcome without equality of input. No equality of assets by redistribution. No equality of anything by government intervention. That is real civil rights. Our fight is for REAL rights NOT implied rights for chosen classes.

Many of us are sick and ******* tired of hearing about these supposed "special rights" It is nothing less that a racist dog whistle. Equal rights are not special rights. Laws against discrimination do not just protect minorities. They prohibit discrimination by anyone and against everyone based on race, religion, national orientation, gender identity etc.

 

[danielpalos]

sure. equal protection of the law is guaranteed in our Constitutions.

 

[MarcATL]

I believe in equal rights what the left wants is special rights for certain groups.

How do you account for the special rights that were given to whites only in this country for damn near 400 years straight? Should that not be addressed?

So you think that calls for special rights ? Go ahead and admit you think you should get paid for past transgressions and that it should be funded by people like me who had **** all to do with those transgressions. Its because I'm white right ?

I ask again. How do you suppose the 400 years of racial oppression is accounted for. Its your world, what do you do?

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[Darkwind]

Do you believe that civil rights needs more attention, or it already have had enough and it's time to move on?

Why/why not?

The civil rights issue we really need to deal with today is the basic, God given, right to keep and bear arms.

Numerous businesses and other facilities ban gun-owners from doing business there, I'd love to see a new Civil Rights Act to extend equal rights to those who are packing heat.

A private property owner has the right to tell people what they can and cannot do on his property.

Only the government is barred from violating your rights.

For example you have no first amendment protection at your place of employment

Well, technically, if the government comes into your place of employment and try to silence you......

 

[MarcATL]

And excellent example of one of the deepest fundamental differences between conservatives and liberals.


Conservatives believe that it is the duty of the government to protect our god given rights.


Liberals believe that the government gives us our rights.


And that is why no liberal should EVERY be allowed to be a judge.

Conservatives are THEE biggest violators of civil rights both historically, and world-wide.

That makes what you're stating total hogwash.

I'm speaking American Conservatives of course. As conservatives want to conserve what they see as good in their culture and/or nation, that would be completely different in different cultures and nations.


The American system of government is founded on the principle that our Rights are GOD GIVEN, and thus CANNOT BE taken away by government action.


They can be VIOLATED by government action, but that is a terrible injustice.



This is one of the deepest fundamental differences between conservatives and liberals in America today.

There are a lot of self-professed conservatives, on this very board, who claim not to believe in God. Are you sure about that description of what conservative means?

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