Zone1 do you believe in a god?

[alang1216]

You think wrong. Let's re-read my post.


It was over a hundred years after Apollonius' before someone was even hired to write about him--and that person wasn't even one of his followers. Do a little research. That biography was only of interest for a short time. Next time you are at the grocery store, ask someone you don't know, "Can you tell me anything you've heard about Apollonius?" What do you expect they will say? Then ask them, "Can you tell me anything you've heard about Jesus Christ?" How do you think the response might differ?

Ask, "What book talks about the life of Apollonius? Then ask, "What book talks about the life of Jesus Christ?"

Apollonius and his teachings changed nothing. He and Jesus had entirely different philosophies about God. What were Apollonius' philosophies regarding God? Do you even know?

And you are disappointed that I didn't fall at your feet agreeing that Apollonius was some kind of twin of Jesus. I recommend staying away from sites that dig up similarities and instead go to sites that speak directly about Apollonius without trying to compare him to any other person. If you were to ask who Apollonius was most in line with, does Pythagoras come to mind? If he doesn't, you need to do further research.

You didn't expect better of me--you expected me to bow to your badly researched post. I do my own research, and it is I who presented the more accurate synopsis of Apollonius.

Did the world and peoples in the world change when this claim was made? This is you moving the goal posts. What I wrote to ding was "There are historical claims about Jesus but there are also similar historical claims for others from the ancient world".

As to the rest of your post, I wonder what the answers to your questions would have been had you asked them in Rome in 100 AD.

 

[onefour1]

God, our Eternal Father in Heaven, is the father of our spirits. We were all created in his very image and likeness. We are the literal offspring of God in the spirit. Jesus is the firstborn son of God in the spirit and we are his spirit brothers and sisters.

Hebrews 12:9
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

Genesis 1:26-27
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Acts 17:28-29
28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device.

Hebrews 1:6
6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

Jesus was made part of the godhead before the foundation of the world. So also was the Holy Ghost.

John 1:1-3, 14
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

 

[BULLDOG]

There are two choices:

You are either believe in God or Satan.
There is nothing between

I prefere to believe in God.

BTW, there is only one True God, all another 'gods' have been created by leftist fluffy-bunny-hippie-dippie communist propaganda

Why does it have to be either or? Neither is a valid choice.

 

[BreezeWood]

do you believe in a god?​

that's a loaded question, monotheism should not preclude a central figure as anything special or different than all the other components in existence of which is represented by life on planet earth and is a spiritual and physical presence.

as to say monotheism is not the answer for what desert dwellers use it for to represent life on earth much less throughout the universe.

 

[BULLDOG]

No. Because none of their witnesses worshipped anyone as God because of it or founded a global religion unlike any before. Which is all part of the EVIDENCE.

I'm pretty sure lots of Muslims would disagree with your claim that there aren't any other world wide religions.

 

[Meriweather]

As to the rest of your post, I wonder what the answers to your questions would have been had you asked them in Rome in 100 AD.

Ah, but the Apollonius biography wasn't be written until over a hundred years later (about 217), and it was only known among the people for a short time. Today most have never heard of it. On the other hand, Paul's letters and the Gospels were not only written and read a hundred years prior to this, they are still known today.

 

[BULLDOG]

Name one of these similar historical claims. Did the world and peoples in the world change when this claim was made? The Resurrection and the certainty of life continuing after death changed how people thought, which changed how people lived.

Horus was said to have a virgin birth, was crucified, rose from the dead, and was called the savior of humanity. Mithras and Romulus also had virgin births, died, and rose again, and those stories were commonly known long before Jesus entered the picture.

 

[BULLDOG]

Ah, but the Apollonius biography wasn't be written until over a hundred years later (about 217), and it was only known among the people for a short time. Today most have never heard of it. On the other hand, Paul's letters and the Gospels were not only written and read a hundred years prior to this, they are still known today.

When and why did Paul's teachings first supersede the teachings of Jesus? They disagreed on some pretty important stuff.

 

[ding]

It is enough for me.

We all have our choices. We can choose to worship the creator or the creation.

 

[ding]

Did the world and peoples in the world change when this claim was made? This is you moving the goal posts. What I wrote to ding was "There are historical claims about Jesus but there are also similar historical claims for others from the ancient world".

As to the rest of your post, I wonder what the answers to your questions would have been had you asked them in Rome in 100 AD.

Please don't bring me into your delusions.

 

[BreezeWood]

We all have our choices. We can choose to worship the creator or the creation.

desert dwellers haven't a clue the insignificance of monotheism - nor its general relevance.

Then they said, “Let us make life in our image, in our likeness, the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky the livestock and all the wild animals, and all the creatures that move along the ground.”

what jesus taught in the 1st century, the heavenly version there is not a single creator but many as well being one and the same throughout there is nothing to worship as they are all equal.

 

[ding]

desert dwellers haven't a clue the insignificance of monotheism - nor its general relevance.



what jesus taught in the 1st century, the heavenly version there is not a single creator but many as well being one and the same throughout there is nothing to worship as they are all equal.

 

[toobfreak]

i am not sure

God is nothing to believe in.

• Hopefully, most religious people know God is real through direct inward experience.
• Otherwise, one is acting on pure, blind faith.
• But then, those who do not believe in God only do so on their LACK of any direct experience and so, believe NOT in God also purely on blind faith alone.