Do We Really Need Guns?

It's my first thread here, and I want to start with the issue, that worries me a lot.

Gun owners always claim that they own guns for self protection, even though the guns in their homes impose a much greater risk to their lives than an intruder. They also state they need guns to protect themselves from the government and from tthr police. Oh, seriously? Other argument for guns is hunting. Food production in the US is quite complex and capable of providing all types of foods to all parts of the country. And, if someone is too poor to buy food to eat, they are too poor to buy weapons. So what for?! Explain me, please.

I truly believe, that guns only do harm There is no use for guns in our society. The 2nd amendment was made in a time where guns were necessary because of the British.

Provide proof from an unbiased souce that a gun in the home is a bigger risk to the owner. I have quite a large collection in my home in each vehicle etc.. Grew up around the same from a toddler. I've yet to have one of those guns harm me. Sorry but you claim means nothing to me

Food production is great and I don't need to hunt? Sorry I dont "need" your permission nor do I "need" to hunt. I hunt because I want to hunt. I hunt because I enjoy hunting
Wildlife on the dinner table is a free meal. I am fortunate to be able to eat whatever I choose to buy and at any restaurant across the country I choose. I prefer game that is free from chemicals etc... Associated with commercially raised meat/fowl. I prefer to walk outside and take an animal at no charge, process it myself and feed my family the most healthy choice available.

You see it really does not boil down to need as to why many of us have guns, it comes down to wants. You see I want guns, I want to hunt and shoot and here I am free to satisfy those wants regardless of your opinion
Free meal??

Cold weather clothes, deer stands, food plots, fuel, lease fees, price of hunting land, yeah deer cost a few hundred dollars a pound!
The weathers cold in the winter no matter if I hunt or not so I would have cold weather gear no matter if I hunt or not.
I haven't bought a deer stand in many years and take on average of 5 deer a year for as long as I can remember. I guess if I did the math very little of that deer stand cost would affect the price/Lb. Many of my deer are taken on a stalk. Never hunted a turkey from a deer stand
Food plots-I plant them year round for wdlife to give all game supplemental feeding choices. It's a good thing to do whether you hunt or not to improve the health of the wildlife, I would do the same on my propert hunt or not It's rare that I hunt on a plot.
Fuel- lol my nearest stand is less than 100 yard walk from my home
Lease price - I dont lease I own
Hunting land cost - again I own my land didn't buy it for the hunting bought it to raise horses. The fact that I have abundant wildlife on it is a bonus
 
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Saigon....you are such a loser.....you fail to point out all the violence in Russia, and the Latin American Countries with total gun control and most of the world......and yes, the mass murder by the governments of Europe in the 20th century should be added to the total deaths...

And the important point....Saigon...you never address the fact that there are 8-9,000 gun murders each year in the United States.....but.....each year, on average, guns are used 1.4 million times to save lives and stop crime in the United States....you never address that statistic....or the fact that that is the average, and the actual number may be higher....

That average comes from 19 studies on the defensive use of guns in the United States, from different researchers, both private and government sponsered, over a period of 40 years...included in those studies is one by the clinton Justice Dept. that found defensive gun uses occur 1.5 million times a year.....and a study by obama through the his CDC which spent 10 million dollars in 2013 and found that defensive uses of guns to stop violent crime and save lives happen between 500,000 and 3 million times a year....


So Saigon....in all of your wisdom....and your great intelligence....which is a greater number....8-9,000 gun murders a year.....or 1.4 million times a year where a gun is used to save lives and stop violent crimes....

And to add to your wisdom....of those 8-9,000 gun murders a year, 80% are comitted by drug gangs in major cities, in small, multi block areas....while the rest of those cities, and the rest of the country is on par with all of those European countries you love to point to in your irrational anti gun posts.....


again...for you Saigon...

8-9,000 gun murders a year......vs.......1.4 million times a gun is used to save lives or stop violent crime.....

Which number is more important Saigon....can you tell the difference....or is your irrational fear of guns interfereing with your ability to understand
 
good news about AR style rifles is that they are said to be the new WINCHESTER levergun as far as hunters and gun people are concerned . I also like AR's but my favorite is still the walnut stocked M1a !!
I have the synthetic stock, and appreciate the weight difference but miss the bayonet lug.

I don't think the .223 is appropriate for deer, but, I do use it on hogs cuz the ammo is cheap.

Going to get another SIG, in .308, "one of these days'.
.223 is acceptable for the average whitetail but I agree that it is not my first choice as it is a bit under powered. I have taken several with .223 all one shot kills with no tracking, but I was really selective as to range and situation. It is my favorite varmint caliber
 
I live rural. Police response to my home would be 30 minutes or longer. In the event of a threat to my family, should I just ask the threat in for coffee for a half an hour or so? Should I just count my family as expendable so I don't have to have those evil self defense weapons in the house? I hunt for meat for the family which is really no different than you going to the supermarket except I take responsibility for the killing, butchering and cleaning of the food rather than pretend it just comes that way. Are guns necessary? Yes.
 
I've posted this graph from the Washington Post before, but have yet to see anyone deny the inconvenient truth of it:

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And now you'll provide data on how many of these gun related murders are committed by negroes and what percentage of the US population are negroes.
And then you'll provide what percent of the population of Finland are negroes right?
Waiting.
 
After what I saw in Ferguson last night your god dam right people need guns.

Should Michael Browns stepfather be brought up on charges for inciting a riot?

Standing outside the Ferguson Police Department headquarters, the mood of the crowd of a few thousand was initially jubilant and brimming with anticipation, but around 8 pm, when the announcement of the grand jury decision was made, all hell broke loose. Michael Brown’s mother Lesley McSpadden addressed the crowd as McCulloch was speaking, apparently already informed of what the decision was going to be. She broke down sobbing in tears and agony saying, “they took my baby,” and “we’re sick of this.” After that, the stepfather of Michael Brown, Louis Head, shouted through tears, “burn this shit down.” At that, some of the crowd got agitated and very aggressive with police.

Burn This Shit Down Mayhem and Protests Engulf Ferguson - The Intercept
 
After what I saw in Ferguson last night your god dam right people need guns.

Should Michael Browns stepfather be brought up on charges for inciting a riot?

Standing outside the Ferguson Police Department headquarters, the mood of the crowd of a few thousand was initially jubilant and brimming with anticipation, but around 8 pm, when the announcement of the grand jury decision was made, all hell broke loose. Michael Brown’s mother Lesley McSpadden addressed the crowd as McCulloch was speaking, apparently already informed of what the decision was going to be. She broke down sobbing in tears and agony saying, “they took my baby,” and “we’re sick of this.” After that, the stepfather of Michael Brown, Louis Head, shouted through tears, “burn this shit down.” At that, some of the crowd got agitated and very aggressive with police.

Burn This Shit Down Mayhem and Protests Engulf Ferguson - The Intercept
Yep the stepdad is a poster child for what's wrong in society.

When you don't get what you feel you deserve then burn shit down.

Participation medal mentality on full display
 
I only think of myself as an individual Saigon and my only concern is my individual safety or the safety of kin and friends . I don't even really think of safety either , I just want the tools guaranteed to me by the 2nd amendment because they allow me to efficiently repel attackers and other violent criminals if the need ever arises [always be prepared] plus huntin , target shootin . --- Plus as I already said , guns help me to fulfill the original purpose of the 2nd Amendment !! By the way Saigon , what foreign place do you come from ??
The 'pyjama-boy' comes from Finland.
A true blue Socialist country.
50%+ personal income tax rate. Legalized dope.
Negroes, about 100% Somali make up about 2-3% of Finlands population.
He needs to do some more research.
 
It's my first thread here, and I want to start with the issue, that worries me a lot.

Gun owners always claim that they own guns for self protection, even though the guns in their homes impose a much greater risk to their lives than an intruder. They also state they need guns to protect themselves from the government and from tthr police. Oh, seriously? Other argument for guns is hunting. Food production in the US is quite complex and capable of providing all types of foods to all parts of the country. And, if someone is too poor to buy food to eat, they are too poor to buy weapons. So what for?! Explain me, please.

I truly believe, that guns only do harm There is no use for guns in our society. The 2nd amendment was made in a time where guns were necessary because of the British.


 
It's my first thread here, and I want to start with the issue, that worries me a lot.

Gun owners always claim that they own guns for self protection, even though the guns in their homes impose a much greater risk to their lives than an intruder. They also state they need guns to protect themselves from the government and from tthr police. Oh, seriously? Other argument for guns is hunting. Food production in the US is quite complex and capable of providing all types of foods to all parts of the country. And, if someone is too poor to buy food to eat, they are too poor to buy weapons. So what for?! Explain me, please.

I truly believe, that guns only do harm There is no use for guns in our society. The 2nd amendment was made in a time where guns were necessary because of the British.

Provide proof from an unbiased souce that a gun in the home is a bigger risk to the owner. I have quite a large collection in my home in each vehicle etc.. Grew up around the same from a toddler. I've yet to have one of those guns harm me. Sorry but you claim means nothing to me

Food production is great and I don't need to hunt? Sorry I dont "need" your permission nor do I "need" to hunt. I hunt because I want to hunt. I hunt because I enjoy hunting
Wildlife on the dinner table is a free meal. I am fortunate to be able to eat whatever I choose to buy and at any restaurant across the country I choose. I prefer game that is free from chemicals etc... Associated with commercially raised meat/fowl. I prefer to walk outside and take an animal at no charge, process it myself and feed my family the most healthy choice available.

You see it really does not boil down to need as to why many of us have guns, it comes down to wants. You see I want guns, I want to hunt and shoot and here I am free to satisfy those wants regardless of your opinion
Free meal??

Cold weather clothes, deer stands, food plots, fuel, lease fees, price of hunting land, yeah deer cost a few hundred dollars a pound!
The weathers cold in the winter no matter if I hunt or not so I would have cold weather gear no matter if I hunt or not.
I haven't bought a deer stand in many years and take on average of 5 deer a year for as long as I can remember. I guess if I did the math very little of that deer stand cost would affect the price/Lb. Many of my deer are taken on a stalk. Never hunted a turkey from a deer stand
Food plots-I plant them year round for wdlife to give all game supplemental feeding choices. It's a good thing to do whether you hunt or not to improve the health of the wildlife, I would do the same on my propert hunt or not It's rare that I hunt on a plot.
Fuel- lol my nearest stand is less than 100 yard walk from my home
Lease price - I dont lease I own
Hunting land cost - again I own my land didn't buy it for the hunting bought it to raise horses. The fact that I have abundant wildlife on it is a bonus


I eat NY strips cheaper than deer.

In fact, most of my hunting is just sight-seeing.

I love to roam, can hardly sit still in a stand.

I walk to many of my stands too, yesterday, when I stepped out, there was huge doe right next to my small garden, and she blew and blew for a solid half mile before she calmed down.

Headed out to sit for the evening before too long.

Whole morning went awry; haven't hunted yet today.
 
It's my first thread here, and I want to start with the issue, that worries me a lot.

Gun owners always claim that they own guns for self protection, even though the guns in their homes impose a much greater risk to their lives than an intruder. They also state they need guns to protect themselves from the government and from tthr police. Oh, seriously? Other argument for guns is hunting. Food production in the US is quite complex and capable of providing all types of foods to all parts of the country. And, if someone is too poor to buy food to eat, they are too poor to buy weapons. So what for?! Explain me, please.

I truly believe, that guns only do harm There is no use for guns in our society. The 2nd amendment was made in a time where guns were necessary because of the British.

Guns are an integral part of our society, historically and culturally guns are part of what makes us Americans. Firearms will never be outlawed or even seriously restricted in this country because the political backlash would be overwhelming. With the huge disparity and differences between individual state laws and federal laws the issue of gun control is the one issue that could actually lead to a constitutional crisis, maybe even secession and civil war. I say leave it alone....it isn't worth it.
 
good news about AR style rifles is that they are said to be the new WINCHESTER levergun as far as hunters and gun people are concerned . I also like AR's but my favorite is still the walnut stocked M1a !!
I have the synthetic stock, and appreciate the weight difference but miss the bayonet lug.

I don't think the .223 is appropriate for deer, but, I do use it on hogs cuz the ammo is cheap.

Going to get another SIG, in .308, "one of these days'.
.223 is acceptable for the average whitetail but I agree that it is not my first choice as it is a bit under powered. I have taken several with .223 all one shot kills with no tracking, but I was really selective as to range and situation. It is my favorite varmint caliber
I have an old British 303, a Winchester 94 (30-30), a 270, a 30-06, a 308 Norma Magnum which I only use for hunting moose and elk, a 20 gauge for pheasant and grouse, a couple of 12 gauge for Canada geese and white fronted geese...........but my all time favorite is my 10 gauge 'slug-gun'. That's for when I need to transform a home invader's body into two pieces as 'it' comes through my door. I figure my shoulder will heal later. LOL
 
It's my first thread here, and I want to start with the issue, that worries me a lot.

Gun owners always claim that they own guns for self protection, even though the guns in their homes impose a much greater risk to their lives than an intruder. They also state they need guns to protect themselves from the government and from tthr police. Oh, seriously? Other argument for guns is hunting. Food production in the US is quite complex and capable of providing all types of foods to all parts of the country. And, if someone is too poor to buy food to eat, they are too poor to buy weapons. So what for?! Explain me, please.

I truly believe, that guns only do harm There is no use for guns in our society. The 2nd amendment was made in a time where guns were necessary because of the British.

Provide proof from an unbiased souce that a gun in the home is a bigger risk to the owner. I have quite a large collection in my home in each vehicle etc.. Grew up around the same from a toddler. I've yet to have one of those guns harm me. Sorry but you claim means nothing to me

Food production is great and I don't need to hunt? Sorry I dont "need" your permission nor do I "need" to hunt. I hunt because I want to hunt. I hunt because I enjoy hunting
Wildlife on the dinner table is a free meal. I am fortunate to be able to eat whatever I choose to buy and at any restaurant across the country I choose. I prefer game that is free from chemicals etc... Associated with commercially raised meat/fowl. I prefer to walk outside and take an animal at no charge, process it myself and feed my family the most healthy choice available.

You see it really does not boil down to need as to why many of us have guns, it comes down to wants. You see I want guns, I want to hunt and shoot and here I am free to satisfy those wants regardless of your opinion
Free meal??

Cold weather clothes, deer stands, food plots, fuel, lease fees, price of hunting land, yeah deer cost a few hundred dollars a pound!
The weathers cold in the winter no matter if I hunt or not so I would have cold weather gear no matter if I hunt or not.
I haven't bought a deer stand in many years and take on average of 5 deer a year for as long as I can remember. I guess if I did the math very little of that deer stand cost would affect the price/Lb. Many of my deer are taken on a stalk. Never hunted a turkey from a deer stand
Food plots-I plant them year round for wdlife to give all game supplemental feeding choices. It's a good thing to do whether you hunt or not to improve the health of the wildlife, I would do the same on my propert hunt or not It's rare that I hunt on a plot.
Fuel- lol my nearest stand is less than 100 yard walk from my home
Lease price - I dont lease I own
Hunting land cost - again I own my land didn't buy it for the hunting bought it to raise horses. The fact that I have abundant wildlife on it is a bonus


I eat NY strips cheaper than deer.

In fact, most of my hunting is just sight-seeing.

I love to roam, can hardly sit still in a stand.

I walk to many of my stands too, yesterday, when I stepped out, there was huge doe right next to my small garden, and she blew and blew for a solid half mile before she calmed down.

Headed out to sit for the evening before too long.

Whole morning went awry; haven't hunted yet today.
Ya. Sometimes you're just 'taking your gun for a walk'. LOL
Been out the last four weekends. The rut was a bit late here.
Enough hanging now till next year.
 
I truly believe, that guns only do harm There is no use for guns in our society. The 2nd amendment was made in a time where guns were necessary because of the British.

I totally agree with you, and congratulations on having the cojones to raise this issue.

Countries with less guns are almost always safer than the US, and that is simply a cold, hard truth that few gun rights fanatics are willing to admit.

I totally support peoples' right to own a gun for hunting or target shooting, but all of countries should have safety-based gun laws aimed at protecting life first and foremost. No one needs an assault rifle at home.
Define assault rifle? How is my ARs any different than my Ruger Mini 14 ranch rifle

Both shoot the same ammo one has a wood stock and one is black and scary to Hoplophobes. Beyond appearances why would you say ones ok but I don't need the other.
BTW it's not about need it's basically about I want it
As I recall they content the mini-14 is an assault rifle.

If it does not have selective fire, either burst or full auto, it is not an assault rifle.

To claim otherwise is a blatant lie.
Correct neither an AR15 or a Mini 14 our assault weapons, based primarily on the absence of select fire capabilities. As for as "assault rifle" its is a term made up by hoplophobes to attempt to demonize a sporting rifle
 
It's my first thread here, and I want to start with the issue, that worries me a lot.

Gun owners always claim that they own guns for self protection, even though the guns in their homes impose a much greater risk to their lives than an intruder. They also state they need guns to protect themselves from the government and from tthr police. Oh, seriously? Other argument for guns is hunting. Food production in the US is quite complex and capable of providing all types of foods to all parts of the country. And, if someone is too poor to buy food to eat, they are too poor to buy weapons. So what for?! Explain me, please.

I truly believe, that guns only do harm There is no use for guns in our society. The 2nd amendment was made in a time where guns were necessary because of the British.

Provide proof from an unbiased souce that a gun in the home is a bigger risk to the owner. I have quite a large collection in my home in each vehicle etc.. Grew up around the same from a toddler. I've yet to have one of those guns harm me. Sorry but you claim means nothing to me

Food production is great and I don't need to hunt? Sorry I dont "need" your permission nor do I "need" to hunt. I hunt because I want to hunt. I hunt because I enjoy hunting
Wildlife on the dinner table is a free meal. I am fortunate to be able to eat whatever I choose to buy and at any restaurant across the country I choose. I prefer game that is free from chemicals etc... Associated with commercially raised meat/fowl. I prefer to walk outside and take an animal at no charge, process it myself and feed my family the most healthy choice available.

You see it really does not boil down to need as to why many of us have guns, it comes down to wants. You see I want guns, I want to hunt and shoot and here I am free to satisfy those wants regardless of your opinion
Free meal??

Cold weather clothes, deer stands, food plots, fuel, lease fees, price of hunting land, yeah deer cost a few hundred dollars a pound!
The weathers cold in the winter no matter if I hunt or not so I would have cold weather gear no matter if I hunt or not.
I haven't bought a deer stand in many years and take on average of 5 deer a year for as long as I can remember. I guess if I did the math very little of that deer stand cost would affect the price/Lb. Many of my deer are taken on a stalk. Never hunted a turkey from a deer stand
Food plots-I plant them year round for wdlife to give all game supplemental feeding choices. It's a good thing to do whether you hunt or not to improve the health of the wildlife, I would do the same on my propert hunt or not It's rare that I hunt on a plot.
Fuel- lol my nearest stand is less than 100 yard walk from my home
Lease price - I dont lease I own
Hunting land cost - again I own my land didn't buy it for the hunting bought it to raise horses. The fact that I have abundant wildlife on it is a bonus


I eat NY strips cheaper than deer.

In fact, most of my hunting is just sight-seeing.

I love to roam, can hardly sit still in a stand.

I walk to many of my stands too, yesterday, when I stepped out, there was huge doe right next to my small garden, and she blew and blew for a solid half mile before she calmed down.

Headed out to sit for the evening before too long.

Whole morning went awry; haven't hunted yet today.

Those damn does will bust you before anything else LOL. Good luck to you, but as I always say a day in the field or woods hunting is a great day if you get a kill its just a bonus. I am lucky where I live and have a very hefty deer population not many a hunt goes by that I do not see at least 4-5 deer but many days even though I have a gun or bow with me will just sit and watch.
 
It's my first thread here, and I want to start with the issue, that worries me a lot.

Gun owners always claim that they own guns for self protection, even though the guns in their homes impose a much greater risk to their lives than an intruder. They also state they need guns to protect themselves from the government and from tthr police. Oh, seriously? Other argument for guns is hunting. Food production in the US is quite complex and capable of providing all types of foods to all parts of the country. And, if someone is too poor to buy food to eat, they are too poor to buy weapons. So what for?! Explain me, please.

I truly believe, that guns only do harm There is no use for guns in our society. The 2nd amendment was made in a time where guns were necessary because of the British.

Provide proof from an unbiased souce that a gun in the home is a bigger risk to the owner. I have quite a large collection in my home in each vehicle etc.. Grew up around the same from a toddler. I've yet to have one of those guns harm me. Sorry but you claim means nothing to me

Food production is great and I don't need to hunt? Sorry I dont "need" your permission nor do I "need" to hunt. I hunt because I want to hunt. I hunt because I enjoy hunting
Wildlife on the dinner table is a free meal. I am fortunate to be able to eat whatever I choose to buy and at any restaurant across the country I choose. I prefer game that is free from chemicals etc... Associated with commercially raised meat/fowl. I prefer to walk outside and take an animal at no charge, process it myself and feed my family the most healthy choice available.

You see it really does not boil down to need as to why many of us have guns, it comes down to wants. You see I want guns, I want to hunt and shoot and here I am free to satisfy those wants regardless of your opinion
Free meal??

Cold weather clothes, deer stands, food plots, fuel, lease fees, price of hunting land, yeah deer cost a few hundred dollars a pound!
The weathers cold in the winter no matter if I hunt or not so I would have cold weather gear no matter if I hunt or not.
I haven't bought a deer stand in many years and take on average of 5 deer a year for as long as I can remember. I guess if I did the math very little of that deer stand cost would affect the price/Lb. Many of my deer are taken on a stalk. Never hunted a turkey from a deer stand
Food plots-I plant them year round for wdlife to give all game supplemental feeding choices. It's a good thing to do whether you hunt or not to improve the health of the wildlife, I would do the same on my propert hunt or not It's rare that I hunt on a plot.
Fuel- lol my nearest stand is less than 100 yard walk from my home
Lease price - I dont lease I own
Hunting land cost - again I own my land didn't buy it for the hunting bought it to raise horses. The fact that I have abundant wildlife on it is a bonus


I eat NY strips cheaper than deer.

In fact, most of my hunting is just sight-seeing.

I love to roam, can hardly sit still in a stand.

I walk to many of my stands too, yesterday, when I stepped out, there was huge doe right next to my small garden, and she blew and blew for a solid half mile before she calmed down.

Headed out to sit for the evening before too long.

Whole morning went awry; haven't hunted yet today.
Ya. Sometimes you're just 'taking your gun for a walk'. LOL
Been out the last four weekends. The rut was a bit late here.
Enough hanging now till next year.
I have only taken two does this year both with the bow but I have plenty of time left. I dont hunt much in Oct as we usually have to many warm days. Our season opens Oct 1 and runs straight through the end of Jan. Season limit is 5 doe and 3 Bucks so I have plenty of opportunity to be picky. Rut usually does not hit where I am till about the week before Christmas
 
It's my first thread here, and I want to start with the issue, that worries me a lot.

Gun owners always claim that they own guns for self protection, even though the guns in their homes impose a much greater risk to their lives than an intruder. They also state they need guns to protect themselves from the government and from tthr police. Oh, seriously? Other argument for guns is hunting. Food production in the US is quite complex and capable of providing all types of foods to all parts of the country. And, if someone is too poor to buy food to eat, they are too poor to buy weapons. So what for?! Explain me, please.

I truly believe, that guns only do harm There is no use for guns in our society. The 2nd amendment was made in a time where guns were necessary because of the British.
Sounds like you bought every lie mankind ever came up with regarding guns. MY guns are NOT more dangerous to me than an intruder. I am a person, not a statistic. And plan to keep it that way.

You are obviously a liberal but here's a tip. You don't want a gun? Don't buy one. How hard is that?
 
It's my first thread here, and I want to start with the issue, that worries me a lot.

Gun owners always claim that they own guns for self protection, even though the guns in their homes impose a much greater risk to their lives than an intruder. They also state they need guns to protect themselves from the government and from tthr police. Oh, seriously? Other argument for guns is hunting. Food production in the US is quite complex and capable of providing all types of foods to all parts of the country. And, if someone is too poor to buy food to eat, they are too poor to buy weapons. So what for?! Explain me, please.

I truly believe, that guns only do harm There is no use for guns in our society. The 2nd amendment was made in a time where guns were necessary because of the British.

Do we really need guns?

Yes.

Next stupid question?
 

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