Zone1 Do newborn infants have long term memory

[Hafar1014]

Its genetic further modified by epigenetics

Do you even know what epigenetics is? The whole point of adaption is survival and the process is inherent. Epigenetics is the process that turns on genes that are dormant when an experience triggers the need

 

[Hafar1014]

The point I am making is that nature does have a preference for life to survive and multiply. It’s not a random occurrence.

Valid point

 

[ding]

Genes are inherent. Also epigenetics comes into play
Genes determine our survival instincts. We dont have too identify a specific one. There is self preservation and preservation of the species. Survival responses are an inborn limbic system process. Why even question it.
A better question is why do people choose to end their lives

Actually you do have to specify which gene is responsible if you are arguing it’s genetic especially since self preservation exists across all species.

 

[Hafar1014]

Actually you do have to specify which gene is responsible if you are arguing it’s genetic especially since self preservation exists across all species.

No I dont we can deduce it from observation. We can also do a correlational study that will produce a significant positive correlation.
Heres an example
Identical twins are both gay 53% of the time
Fraternal twins 53%
Non twin siblings 23%.
Two concepts become clear. There is genetic predisposition based on the pattern. The closer the genome the more it occurs.
Since in the case of identical twins noy being 100% there is an epigenetic trigger that activates the gene.
I dont have to identify it

 

[ding]

No I dont we can deduce it from observation. We can also do a correlational study that will produce a significant positive correlation.
Heres an example
Identical twins are both gay 53% of the time
Fraternal twins 53%
Non twin siblings 23%.
Two concepts become clear. There is genetic predisposition based on the pattern. The closer the genome the more it occurs.
Since in the case of identical twins noy being 100% there is an epigenetic trigger that activates the gene.
I dont have to identify it

Except in this analog you start with different genetic outcomes. Self preservation exists across all living organisms. There aren’t different outcomes. Even those that commit suicide must fight their urge to not exist. In other words self preservation exists even in those that kill themselves.

 

[alang1216]

Which gene do you think controlled that? What mechanism do you believe controls self preservation?

An artifact of life are all the characteristics of life that are inherent to all life.

The entire genome controls behavior. If self-preservation is not among the behaviors, those genes do not get passed on. I guess self-preservation is an 'artifact' by your definition.

 

[Hafar1014]

Except in this analog you start with different genetic outcomes. Self preservation exists across all living organisms. There aren’t different outcomes. Even those that commit suicide must fight their urge to not exist. In other words self preservation exists even in those that kill themselves.

Suicide is by definition and abnormal behavior. They dont fight the urge the opposite is what happening. They fight the urge to live.
The octopus is an interesting contradiction after giving birth it dies.

 

[ding]

The entire genome controls behavior. If self-preservation is not among the behaviors, those genes do not get passed on. I guess self-preservation is an 'artifact' by your definition.

So is every other characteristic of life that all living organisms share. If every single organism possesses the same trait, it’s not genetic, it’s an artifact of life.

 

[Hafar1014]

The entire genome controls behavior. If self-preservation is not among the behaviors, those genes do not get passed on. I guess self-preservation is an 'artifact' by your definition.

Correct human behavior is actually a total brain process. The brain is not a single system there are 5 separate systems. They are bilateral as they work both independently and in connection. I dont know how we git from infant memory to self preservation.

 

[Hafar1014]

So is every other characteristic of life that all living organisms share. If every single organism possesses the same trait, it’s not genetic, it’s an artifact of life.

Heres an interesting example of universal inborn knowledge
Moro Response. The Moro reflex, also known as the startle reflex, is a normal, involuntary response in newborns. When a baby is startled by a sudden noise or movement, they will extend their arms and legs, open their hands, and usually cry. This reflex is a key indicator of healthy nervous system development.
Rooting reflex

This reflex starts when the corner of the baby's mouth is stroked or touched. The baby will turn his or her head and open his or her mouth to follow and root in the direction of the stroking. This helps the baby find the breast or bottle to start feeding.

 

[ding]

Suicide is by definition and abnormal behavior. They dont fight the urge the opposite is what happening. They fight the urge to live.
The octopus is an interesting contradiction after giving birth it dies.

I believe people who have committed suicide fight both urges; the urge to live and the urge to die. As for the octopus, if every octopus does that, is it genetic? I think in terms of differences when I think of genetics. Was that trait or behavior ever different? The other thing I think of when thinking about genetics is functional advantage. Not at the species level but at the individual level because the species level is comprised of statistically valid numbers of individuals with the same mutation. Octopuses aren’t killing themselves for the good of the species. We could also talk about salmon, right?

 

[ding]

Heres an interesting example of universal inborn knowledge
Moro Response. The Moro reflex, also known as the startle reflex, is a normal, involuntary response in newborns. When a baby is startled by a sudden noise or movement, they will extend their arms and legs, open their hands, and usually cry. This reflex is a key indicator of healthy nervous system development.
Rooting reflex

This reflex starts when the corner of the baby's mouth is stroked or touched. The baby will turn his or her head and open his or her mouth to follow and root in the direction of the stroking. This helps the baby find the breast or bottle to start feeding.

Right. Also not genetic. I don’t believe instinctual behaviors are genetic. I believe genes control physical attributes. I believe instinctual behaviors are artifacts of life with different species having different instincts but the common element is self preservation. Life is driven to exist and therefore adopts whatever behaviors necessary and appropriate for that species.

 

[midcan5]

Google the question - reply is excellent. But what does long term memory even mean. Mom had twelve of us and the interesting thing is how different we are. Genetics is a complicated thing, add in mom's diet etc etc etc and the issue becomes even more complicated.

 

[Hafar1014]

I believe people who have committed suicide fight both urges; the urge to live and the urge to die. As for the octopus, if every octopus does that, is it genetic? I think in terms of differences when I think of genetics. Was that trait or behavior ever different? The other thing I think of when thinking about genetics is functional advantage. Not at the species level but at the individual level because the species level is comprised of statistically valid numbers of individuals with the same mutation. Octopuses aren’t killing themselves for the good of the species. We could also talk about salmon, right?

Suicide results from major depression. There are also passive suicides. These are abnormalities
Salmon and octopuses are similar in that reproduction is the end of life. They then become food for mainly bears. How about the male bee.
Epigenetics gives us an additional ability to adapt to changes in the environment.
Epigenetics is the study of heritable changes in gene expression that occur without alterations to the underlying DNA sequence. Essentially, it's how environmental and lifestyle factors can influence which genes are turned on or off, and how strongly they're expressed, without changing the genetic code itself. These changes can affect various biological processes, including development, aging, and disease.

Tis is interesting because we have traits we might need or might not. That implies creative design.

 

[ding]

Suicide results from major depression. There are also passive suicides. These are abnormalities
Salmon and octopuses are similar in that reproduction is the end of life. They then become food for mainly bears. How about the male bee.
Epigenetics gives us an additional ability to adapt to changes in the environment.
Epigenetics is the study of heritable changes in gene expression that occur without alterations to the underlying DNA sequence. Essentially, it's how environmental and lifestyle factors can influence which genes are turned on or off, and how strongly they're expressed, without changing the genetic code itself. These changes can affect various biological processes, including development, aging, and disease.

Tis is interesting because we have traits we might need or might not. That implies creative design.

I’ve never been a fan of creative design per se. with that said, I’m also not a fan of random design either.

 

[alang1216]

So is every other characteristic of life that all living organisms share. If every single organism possesses the same trait, it’s not genetic, it’s an artifact of life.

Don't forget, we all all descended from a common ancestor.

 

[alang1216]

Correct human behavior is actually a total brain process. The brain is not a single system there are 5 separate systems. They are bilateral as they work both independently and in connection. I dont know how we git from infant memory to self preservation.

I don't know if that is true or not but every living thing exhibits behaviors for self-preservation, even amoeba. How we got to the topic of self-preservation I have no idea but I blame ding

 

[Hafar1014]

I’ve never been a fan of creative design per se. with that said, I’m also not a fan of random design either.

The question I ask is how is it that we have an inherent need to have a life with meaning which has nothing to do with survival. That didnt evolve. Where did that come from?

 

[ding]

Don't forget, we all all descended from a common ancestor.

Sure, which possessed the same characteristics all life possesses.

 

[ding]

I don't know if that is true or not but every living thing exhibits behaviors for self-preservation, even amoeba. How we got to the topic of self-preservation I have no idea but I blame ding

It seems to me that every functional advantage has its roots in self preservation; in existing. Even long term memory of newborn infants. If you are looking for meaning in all this, you could do worse than saying the meaning of life is to exist and pass it down.