Do Individual Congressmen of Either Party have an Obligation to Vote in a Speaker even if it Causes them to Lose the Next Election?

[Blaster]

The American people are demanding a Speaker.

Most Americans really don't care.

 

[Seymour Flops]

The problem is the Speaker isn’t just a parliamentary post. It is also the next one up if something happens to the President and Vice President. Unlikely to be called upon, but not impossible.

Are you saying such a position is perfect for an inept thug who can’t even figure out how to compromise with his own party much less lead the nation?

So on a Parliamentary level the Speaker sets the tone. The tone realistically needs to be bipartisan to do anything. Democrats in the Senate have already adapted this. They understood the narrow majority didn’t give them absolute power. With a Democrat as President. You must learn to compromise.

The so called Freedom Caucus, which in reality is the Obstruction Caucus wants victory or death.

That sort of absolute all in gamble is idiotic in the Political Landscape. And there were more than enough Republicans to block them.

Wise words as long as you're consistent.

Should Dems have voted for McCarthy to stay Speaker?

What did they not like about him? He sure meets the requirement to be a compromises.

In spades.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Who's crying. Every time Republicans pull this shit, it proves that they are incapable of running anything. Only destroying it.

You may not be crying but your ideological sisters certainly are.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Fair enough.

So, not a single Democrat in Congress has a guilty conscience over not electing a Speaker?

Did they not all vote for the same guy?

 

[Blaster]

Americans don't really benefit from having a Speaker. This is just a tiff between two political parties.

 

[Blaster]

The debt continues to rise rapidly regardless of if the Speaker is Democrat or Republican.

 

[Hum Dinger]

Fair enough.

So, not a single Democrat in Congress has a guilty conscience over not electing a Speaker?

The Democrats have been consistent in voting for a very qualified person - Jeffries.

Perhaps if the Republicans would nominate someone that was not a complete asshole, some Democrats would vote for them.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Did they not all vote for the same guy?

I never know when you're serious, GG.

They all voted for the guy that had no chance.

In the motion to vacate, they all voted AGAINST the same guy - the sitting Speaker.

So they have voted thrice NOT to have a Speaker, not even a Speaker who proved himself willing to compromise.

 

[Seymour Flops]

The Democrats have been consistent in voting for a very qualified person - Jeffries.

Perhaps if the Republicans would nominate someone that was not a complete asshole, some Democrats would vote for them.

How was McCarthy an asshole from the Democrat point if view? He gavevthem what they wanted.

 

[Blaster]

I never know when you're serious, GG.

They all voted for the guy that had no chance.

In the motion to vacate, they all voted AGAINST the same guy - the sitting Speaker.

So they have voted thrice NOT to have a Speaker, not even a Speaker who proved himself willing to compromise.

Too much pettiness among Republicans.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

I never know when you're serious, GG.

They all voted for the guy that had no chance.

In the motion to vacate, they all voted AGAINST the same guy - the sitting Speaker.

So they have voted thrice NOT to have a Speaker, not even a Speaker who proved himself willing to compromise.

He got more votes than anyone else, seems he had more chance than Jim did.

 

[Seymour Flops]

He got more votes than anyone else, seems he had more chance than Jim did.

Fair point.

But you hold Dems blameless for voting against McCarthy? The sure voted with him for the spending.

If they had voted for him to stay Speaker, the spend fest would have been ramped up.

Now what do they do?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

But you hold Dems blameless for voting against McCarthy?

The Dems said "sure, here is some more rope".

In this day and age of politics, can anyone blame them?

Now what do they do?

Sit back and enjoy the shit show that is now your beloved party.

 

[Rawley]

Besides the media, and Democrat activist, who in the world is "demanding a speaker?"

If having a speaker is so dadgum important to the American people, why did Democrats vote against the last two speaker nominees?

Hmmmmmmm?

More importantly, why did they unanimously vote to kick McCarthy out of the Speakership?

 

[Seymour Flops]

The Dems said "sure, here is some more rope".

In this day and age of politics, can anyone blame them?

No not at all. But if you act as if your beloved Dens have some moral high ground, I'll know you're not serious.

Sit back and enjoy the shit show that is now your beloved party.

No Speaker, no CR.

What's the downside of that?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

No Speaker, no CR.

What's the downside of that?

No Speaker no bill funding the DOD.

No speaker, no bill funding the non-medial side of the VA

What is the downside of that?

Do you believe this will help your beloved party win votes in 2024?

 

[Seymour Flops]

No Speaker no bill funding the DOD.

No speaker, no bill funding the non-medial side of the VA

What is the downside of that?

Do you believe this will help your beloved party win votes in 2024?

Calm down, Chicken Little.

The DoD has emergency reserves so no one will starve.

The VA is so slow to actually help veterans, no one will know the difference if the shut down until January..

Yes, Republicans actually meaning what they say turns out to be pretty popular with GOP voters

 

[SavannahMann]

Wise words as long as you're consistent.

Should Dems have voted for McCarthy to stay Speaker?

What did they not like about him? He sure meets the requirement to be a compromises.

In spades.

Not really. McCarthy spent weeks of the budget deadline utterly ignoring the Bill passed by the Senate. He wouldn’t even discuss the matter with them. Instead he kept negotiating with the Obstruction Caucus to meet their ever changing demands. It wasn’t until the literal last minute he turned to the Democrats for a 45 day continuing resolution.

It was obvious weeks before that everyone he met the demands of Gaetz and the extreme Right that they would move the goalposts. He wanted to believe they didn’t want a shutdown.

Gaetz wanted a shutdown. And still wants one. I guess Gaetz and Jordon figured that the Propaganda sites would somehow convince the majority of Voters it wasn’t the Republicans fault.

I grew up in the era of Tip O’Neil. When he was so powerful he got billions of dollars for Boston’s Big Dig. And that was a hell of a program. It continued for years after Tip was long dead.

Tip was as powerful in reality as the nuts claim Pelosi was. Yet Reagan got increased Military spending. Which was according to Tip, Dead on Arrival. Reagan tax cuts, which was declared dead on arrival. Star Wars, which was not only dead on arrival but provocative and destabilizing.

The definition of a Compromise is simple. Nobody is happy, but everyone can live with the deal. If I’m buying a house from you. We are going to settle on a price. More than I want to pay. Less than you hope to get. We aren’t happy, but we can live with it.

This is the pattern when you buy a car. When you do anything. We are adults and we know we aren’t going to get everything we want.

The RW of the Republicans are children. If they don’t get everything they want than they throw a tantrum.

McCarthy wasn’t a compromiser. He was trying to herd the cats of his own party. He was trying to do it with All Republican Votes. And if the Democrats wanted in after the Republicans had made their internal deal, fine.

 

[Couchpotato]

knowing today's GOP it might still take weeks and weeks

Somehow I doubt that.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Somehow I doubt that.

based on what?