CDZ Discussion on Pfizer Covid Vaccine

[Darkwind]

The US Constitution is NOT a fair-weather document to be put aside in the face of crisis, if we even have a crisis to deal with.

I am reminded of Plato's Allegory of the Cave. " In the allegory, Socrates describes a group of people who have lived chained to the wall of a cave all their lives, facing a blank wall. The people watch shadows projected on the wall from objects passing in front of a fire behind them and give names to these shadows. The shadows are the prisoners' reality but are not accurate representations of the real world. "

So it is with people who believe that an unproven personal fear gives them the right to control the shadows. These individuals do not understand reality because they have been chained to their philosophy of fear all their lives. They cannot fathom that the 'shadows' on the wall are real and are free and unencumbered by the deceit of those who have imprisoned in the cave.

They know no better, therefore they chase the chimera of their ideology, thinking that they have control over the shadows and can enforce this control.

The reality is, that the shadows are the only true reality while those who live in chains are to be pitied.

There is nothing the government nor a business can do to force an American to live in the servitude of the State. We do NOT recognize the government's mantra of "Papers please".

Just as it is unlawful to discriminate against a person of color in a business, so too will it be unlawful to demand a person's' papers'.

Those who believe otherwise need to behave themselvels.

Following lawful government iaw the Constitution is certainly the government's business to ensure that citizens comply. The document is not libertarian, and those who suggest otherwise are unable to understand the Constitution, America, or its history.

Not one of you has a lawful right to infect others with disease.

Hello shadow. How do you enjoy your chains today?

No one is infecting others. No one has the right to take a personal fear and limit the liberties of others.

The Constitution is NOT a fair-weather document, to be cherished in the good times only.

No one has the right to abuse the civil liberties of others.

Now behave yourself and come out of the cave.

You live in the shadows, and the caring Americans will live in the light of the constitution.

Darkwind, your light in your cave of shadows is flickering out.

ps: Plato is certainly associated, although with differences, to fascism.

I am not surprised this appeals to the far right and libertarian wings in America.

That is too funny shadow.

I support and defend the Constitution from the likes of you. I even swore an oath and served because I believe in so much that I'd lay down My life for it. However, I was raised in the light and the love of liberty and freedom from oppressive evils like a government that can force you to provide proof of their dictate to inject you with the harmful substance on the unfounded fears of those who live on their knees.

My light will never go out as long as there are freedom-loving people willing to stand up and spit in the face of oppressors like you.

ps. Plato is associated with Democracy, a proven and failed concept. However, that does not alter the truth of the allegory as it pertains to people like you. It really isn't a wonder that you see fascism in everything. It shines out at you from your mirror.

You clearly do not understand basic American principles.

You are very weak on Platonic philosophy. It enhances the educated leaders and expects the plebs to be led by their betters.

I've understood basic American principles AND values long before you were born.

 

[Darkwind]

I have been saying that no one has the right to expose others to germs and disease. That means not wearing a mask or not getting vaxxed does put others at risk. Read for understanding, please.

Says the little tinpot shadow. Every day, people are exposed to germs and diseases. EVERY DAY.

You cannot lock up everyone because you have a fear.

You don't lock up anyone. Those who won't vax will not be able to participate in many activities beyond their front doors.

Which would be unConstitutional. You cannot lock up people you fear.

 

[gipper]

I have been saying that no one has the right to expose others to germs and disease. That means not wearing a mask or not getting vaxxed does put others at risk. Read for understanding, please.

Says the little tinpot shadow. Every day, people are exposed to germs and diseases. EVERY DAY.

You cannot lock up everyone because you have a fear.

You don't lock up anyone. Those who won't vax will not be able to participate in many activities beyond their front doors.

Which would be unConstitutional. You cannot lock up people you fear.

Apparently some Americans want their government to impose tyranny.

 

[gipper]

because not enough people are vaccinated yet.

I'm never getting vaccinated. what are you going to do about it? You can't justify getting vaccinated, my genepool is much longer lived than a dangerous vaccine. there's that. over thirteen months clean dude. you're mistaken. your philosophy is stained.

At this time, it is your legal right to be an unfortunate. No one can make you get it. However, you can be denied access to public events, trains, airplanes, private venues, etc.: the number will be growing into the thousands.

As an American you should be appalled by this, but you’re not.

The land of the free is now the land of the serfs. The home of the brave is now the home of the sheep.

I am appalled with you and your misguided thinking. Don't take the vax if you don't want, and be American enough to abide by your crazy behavior.

Yeah in America today refusing to abide by the dictates of the establishment is crazy and extreme.

What the fuck has happened to my country?

You confuse that the Constitution as "the dictates of the establishment" is your problem not anyone else's.

You don't have to take the vax.

But if certain entities and businesses require the vax and the mask, guess what: you are up!

You might want to read the Constitution.

He thinks his thoughts are the new constitution! Hahaha can’t make it up

You don't have to take the vax, and you do have to live with that choice.

You have no constitutional right to infect others with disease.

So you think getting the jab prevents you from infecting others. This is foolish statist thinking. There is absolutely no scientific proof this is true.

That is certainly a foolish libertarian statement. You are no expert on the science of this issue, and you certainly do not comprehend American law, history, or its Constitution.

One would think you’d do at least minimal research on the vax, but you haven’t. Why? Is your fear so great you’ve panicked and just lost your ability to think clearly?

The following is directly from Pfizer. Please read.


Adverse Reactions in Clinical Trials
Adverse reactions following the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine that have been reported in clinical trials include injection site pain, fatigue, headache, muscle pain, chills, joint pain, fever, injection site swelling, injection site redness, nausea, malaise, and lymphadenopathy (see Full EUA Prescribing Information).
Adverse Reactions in Post Authorization Experience
Severe allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis, and other hypersensitivity reactions (e.g., rash, pruritus, urticaria, angioedema), diarrhea, vomiting, and pain in extremity (arm) have been reported following administration of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine outside of clinical trials.
Additional adverse reactions, some of which may be serious, may become apparent with more widespread use of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine.
INFORMATION TO PROVIDE TO VACCINE RECIPIENTS/CAREGIVERS
As the vaccination provider, you must communicate to the recipient or their caregiver, information consistent with the “Fact Sheet for Recipients and Caregivers” (and provide a copy or direct the individual to the website www.cvdvaccine.com to obtain the Fact Sheet) prior to the individual receiving each dose of Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine, including:
• FDA has authorized the emergency use of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine, which is not an FDA-approved vaccine.
• The recipient or their caregiver has the option to accept or refuse Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine.
• The significant known and potential risks and benefits of Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine, and the extent to which such risks and benefits are unknown.
• Information about available alternative vaccines and the risks and benefits of those alternatives.
https://labeling.pfizer.com/ShowLabeling.aspx?id=14471&format=pdf&

 

[playtime]

Getting the virus shot is a gamble, I factored in the possibility that by getting the shot I would not infect anyone or become infected. That the possibility of killing this virus to save more lives & a return to more normal life was worth the risk. 2 shots zero problems.

The problem with that conclusion is it’s not accurate. There are plenty of people who got the vaccine and then got covid and some have died.

because none are 100% effective. howeverrrrrrrrr............ statistically speaking, very few actually got the disease AND most that have after vaccinated, their symptoms were milder & avoided hospitalization.

You have any evidence to support your assertions? I have a study showing that, far from helping, those who got the Pfizer vaccine were more likely to get Covid variants:

CDZ - Will Vaccinated People Be More Vulnerable to Variants?

My mother sent me the link to this article that was just published today on Mercola.com. Here's their "story at a glance version": ** Analysis by Dr. Joseph Mercola Fact Checked April 19, 2021 STORY AT-A-GLANCE Experts have raised warnings about the problematic history of coronavirus...

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ummmm... every year we get a flu shot, based on the most prevalent strain(s) going around at the time.

virus' mutate. this is a brand spanking new one & the research is still evolving. tweeks & boosters will probably become the norm until/unless a cure happens.

You're missing the point- the study found that people who took the Pfizer vaccine were 8 times more likely to get a Covid 19 variant. Which means that far from helping defend against this variant, the Pfizer vaccine was actually making things worse.

Why? How many went to the hospital, how many intubated, how many died?

None?

Do you work for big pharma?

I guess you’re cool with getting the covid after taking the jab, as long as you don’t go to hospital, get intubated, or die.

One, I think anyone would take that over going to the hospital, being intubated, then dying.

Two, are you mental? Tell us how many were infected after being vaxxed.

No. I’ll take not getting the virus altogether. I’m healthy and I supplement my immune system. Throughout this pandemic I’ve not changed my lifestyle one bit. I’ve used airlines several times and traveled several thousand miles in my motorhome visiting multiple states.

As to your question, I’ve no idea how many have infected after being vaxxed. If it’s 10% are you comfortable with that? 20%? 30%?

Do you work for big pharma?

you could be or might have been an asymptomatic carrier. you might feel just peachy - shed that covid to an unsuspecting fellow american & THEY could wind up being worm bait.

way to go!

There is no scientific evidence showing that has ever occurred. Tell me how many people have been infected, incubated, died.

Original Investigation

Infectious Diseases

January 7, 2021

SARS-CoV-2 Transmission From People Without COVID-19 Symptoms

Michael A. Johansson, PhD1,2; Talia M. Quandelacy, PhD, MPH1; Sarah Kada, PhD1; et al Pragati Venkata Prasad, MPH1; Molly Steele, PhD, MPH1; John T. Brooks, MD1; Rachel B. Slayton, PhD, MPH1,2; Matthew Biggerstaff, ScD, MPH1,2; Jay C. Butler, MD2

Author Affiliations Article Information

JAMA Netw Open. 2021;4(1):e2035057. oi:10.1001/jamanetworkopen.2020.35057
COVID-19 Resource Center

Key Points
Question What proportion of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) spread is associated with transmission of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) from persons with no symptoms?

Findings In this decision analytical model assessing multiple scenarios for the infectious period and the proportion of transmission from individuals who never have COVID-19 symptoms, transmission from asymptomatic individuals was estimated to account for more than half of all transmission.

Meaning The findings of this study suggest that the identification and isolation of persons with symptomatic COVID-19 alone will not control the ongoing spread of SARS-CoV-2.


Objective To assess the proportion of SARS-CoV-2 transmissions in the community that likely occur from persons without symptoms.

Design, Setting, and Participants This decision analytical model assessed the relative amount of transmission from presymptomatic, never symptomatic, and symptomatic individuals across a range of scenarios in which the proportion of transmission from people who never develop symptoms (ie, remain asymptomatic) and the infectious period were varied according to published best estimates.

Conclusions and Relevance In this decision analytical model of multiple scenarios of proportions of asymptomatic individuals with COVID-19 and infectious periods, transmission from asymptomatic individuals was estimated to account for more than half of all transmissions.


Results The baseline assumptions for the model were that peak infectiousness occurred at the median of symptom onset and that 30% of individuals with infection never develop symptoms and are 75% as infectious as those who do develop symptoms. Combined, these baseline assumptions imply that persons with infection who never develop symptoms may account for approximately 24% of all transmission. In this base case, 59% of all transmission came from asymptomatic transmission, comprising 35% from presymptomatic individuals and 24% from individuals who never develop symptoms. Under a broad range of values for each of these assumptions, at least 50% of new SARS-CoV-2 infections was estimated to have originated from exposure to individuals with infection but without symptoms.

Conclusions and Relevance In this decision analytical model of multiple scenarios of proportions of asymptomatic individuals with COVID-19 and infectious periods, transmission from asymptomatic individuals was estimated to account for more than half of all transmissions.
SARS-CoV-2 Transmission From People Without COVID-19 Symptoms

so there you go.

as far as knowing that one can become infected by an asymptomatic carrier - it is impossible to determine how many actually knew their infector; if that person is a stranger on a subway ... or at the grocery store. especially given the abysmal fail the trump administration lead in the way of contact tracing.

NOW, put your critical thinking cap on:

to date, we have 32,000,000 confirmed cases of covid

& 570,000 dead.

are you trying to peddle that NONE of them thar cases, (32 million of them) were ever hospitalized or intubated due to catching it from an unknown carrier?

& none died?

Okay now how can one find out if one is asymptotic? We know (well some of us know) the PCR test is ineffective and just maybe a fraud. Fauci The Great FRAUD admits it.


Here, in techno-speak, is an excerpt from Fauci’s key quote (the question being asked of Fauci starts at the 3m50s mark; Fauci answers beginning at the 4m40s mark) [2]: “…If you get [perform the test at] a cycle threshold of 35 or more…the chances of it being replication-competent [aka accurate] are miniscule…you almost never can culture virus [detect a true positive result] from a 37 threshold cycle…even 36…”

Each “cycle” of the test is a quantum leap in amplification and magnification of the test specimen taken from the patient.

Too many cycles, and the test will turn up all sorts of irrelevant material that will be wrongly interpreted as relevant.

That’s called a false positive.

What Fauci failed to say on the video—AND WHAT HE OBVIOUSLY KNEW—is: the FDA, which authorizes the test for public use, recommends the test should be run up to 40 cycles. Not 35.

Therefore, all labs in the US, following the FDA guideline, are knowingly or unknowingly participating in fraud. Fraud on a monstrous level, because…

Millions of Americans are being told they are infected with the virus on the basis of a false positive result, and…

The total number of COVID cases in America—which is based on the test—is a gross falsity.


The lockdowns and other restraining measures are based on these fraudulent case numbers.
Fauci, Smoking Gun Evidence, Pandemic Fraud; Memo To Ohio Congressman Jim Jordan - LewRockwell

well as far as your Q ... when there is contact tracing & one becomes ill ( after +/- 10 days of being infected b4 symptoms & spreading their own cooties ... & that contact tracing reveals someone else

( a friend, family member, co worker is asymptomatic ) tests positive- but has been to the grocery store or the subway etc... that's how.

as far as your ' source '?

LOL!!!!! while i give you JAMA:

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Yes...always believe the establishment. ALWAYS.

Silly girl...Rockwell had nothing to do with what I posted. Now can you please show me where my link by Jon Rappoport (not Lew Rockwell silly girl) misquoted your beloved Caesar, Fauci The Fraud?

lol ... i believe science . you believe bs posted on lew rockwell's site from an anti vaxxer.

 

[playtime]

because not enough people are vaccinated yet.

I'm never getting vaccinated. what are you going to do about it? You can't justify getting vaccinated, my genepool is much longer lived than a dangerous vaccine. there's that. over thirteen months clean dude. you're mistaken. your philosophy is stained.

At this time, it is your legal right to be an unfortunate. No one can make you get it. However, you can be denied access to public events, trains, airplanes, private venues, etc.: the number will be growing into the thousands.

As an American you should be appalled by this, but you’re not.

The land of the free is now the land of the serfs. The home of the brave is now the home of the sheep.

I am appalled with you and your misguided thinking. Don't take the vax if you don't want, and be American enough to abide by your crazy behavior.

Yeah in America today refusing to abide by the dictates of the establishment is crazy and extreme.

What the fuck has happened to my country?

You confuse that the Constitution as "the dictates of the establishment" is your problem not anyone else's.

You don't have to take the vax.

But if certain entities and businesses require the vax and the mask, guess what: you are up!

You might want to read the Constitution.

He thinks his thoughts are the new constitution! Hahaha can’t make it up

You don't have to take the vax, and you do have to live with that choice.

You have no constitutional right to infect others with disease.

So you think getting the jab prevents you from infecting others. This is foolish statist thinking. There is absolutely no scientific proof this is true.

CDC Study Confirms That COVID-19 Vaccines Block Transmission In the Real World

By
Kayla Hui, MPH
Fact checked by
Nick Blackmer
April 08, 2021

Jordan hopes this study will help break through some of the concerns people are expressing about getting vaccinated. “The CDC study confirms what we have been seeing in our vaccinated people: those that are vaccinated are both staying healthy and now they are also not carriers of the virus or causing outbreaks—even with high-risk positions with exposures to SARS Cov-2,” she says.

CDC Study Confirms That COVID-19 Vaccines Block Transmission In the Real World


Moderna and Pfizer COVID-19 vaccines may block infection as well as disease
Studies suggest fully vaccinated people pose a low risk for transmitting the coronavirus
Moderna and Pfizer COVID-19 vaccines may reduce coronavirus transmission

Yes, vaccines block most transmission of COVID-19
The latest data show that getting a shot not only protects vaccinated individuals, it reduces the chance they can spread the virus to others.
ByTara Haelle
Published April 21, 2021
Yes, vaccines block most transmission of COVID-19

 

[StormAl]

Repeating that “The CDC study confirms what we have been seeing in our vaccinated people: those that are vaccinated are both staying healthy and now they are also not carriers of the virus or causing outbreaks—even with high-risk positions with exposures to SARS Cov-2,” she says.

 

[badger2]

But the wikipage for mRNA-1273 vaccine already told you that it stops transmission. Dumbass, the first transmission it stops is that between each cell of the host. The word, ‘duh,’ is indeed a Chinese word which was used to denote astronomical units of measure, not unlike the astronomical reactions of the anti-vax automatons.

 

[StormAl]

But the wikipage for mRNA-1273 vaccine already told you that it stops transmission. Dumbass, the first transmission it stops is that between each cell of the host. The word, ‘duh,’ is indeed a Chinese word which was used to denote astronomical units of measure, not unlike the astronomical reactions of the anti-vax automatons.

wikipage is not science, and anyone who relies on it is ignoring real science.

 

[sartre play]

There are no absolutes in life, no masks, no distancing everything open waiting for natural immunity, most Possible result, many many more will have to die. What ever the risk. I chose curtailing my personal comforts, getting the shots over the possibility of giving or getting the virus. for me its that simple, less dead Americans.

 

[phoenyx]

As mentioned elsewhere, what you call anecdotes, I call evidence. Science is about observing reality, coming up with hypotheses as to why reality is the way it is, and then finding ways to test these hypotheses to come up with theories as to how the world works. In this thread, I am trying to gather evidence as to what the Pfizer Covid vaccine does to humans.

getting your experimental data from NEWS sites and quack conspiracy sites -- is that gonna bias the outcome of your research??

Hey.. Full Stop.. Anecdotal stories -- especially media pieces -- are NOT valid research -- EVER...

Prove it.

That's weird request.

Why? You made a claim, in capsed letters no less, one would expect you to have proof on hand. Anyway, moving on...

Ever in your education did the topic of "the scientific method" come up?

Sure. I'll quote Wikipedia's explanation of the process:
**
The process in the scientific method involves making conjectures (hypotheses), deriving predictions from them as logical consequences, and then carrying out experiments or empirical observations based on those predictions.[4][5] A hypothesis is a conjecture, based on knowledge obtained while seeking answers to the question. The hypothesis might be very specific, or it might be broad. Scientists then test hypotheses by conducting experiments or studies. A scientific hypothesis must be falsifiable, implying that it is possible to identify a possible outcome of an experiment or observation that conflicts with predictions deduced from the hypothesis; otherwise, the hypothesis cannot be meaningfully tested.[6]
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Source:

Scientific method - Wikipedia

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News stories are empirical observations- that's where they'd fit in.

Didn't dive deep enough.. The PROOF is in YOU finding a textbook description of how to set up and research a hypothesis..

Alright, first of all, just so that we're clear, I'm not trying to prove anything to you. I'm trying to persuade you that I'm right. I've debated with people for years and I've found that this is a better approach. I think it's been rare when anyone has felt that something was proven to them, at least not when they're on opposite sides of a debate.

Try searching "basic experimental methodology" or "anecdotal evidence in science"..

I think the wikipedia link is sufficient for our purposes, but if you think that more is required, by all means, present it.

That last search returns a wiki page at the top that VALIDATES what I told you..

I disagree.

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It says nothing of media articles. Personally, I've found that the best media articles focus on facts instead of opinions. It can be at times be good to have studies for evidence, but there are a few problems with this:
1- the language they use can frequently be hard to understand to laymen.
2- Frequently, there are conflicts of interest in those doing the studies- that is, if they find things that those they get grants from don't like, they can be blacklisted. I've even heard of one case where a grantor wanted their money back after some researchers found results that they didn't like.

 

[Crepitus]

I made a thread for the Johnson and Johnson Vaccine, figure would make sense to do one for Pfizer as well. So starting it off with some quotes from an article on a 33 year old woman:

**
A healthy 33-year-old woman in Bethel Park, Pennsylvania, who asked to remain anonymous, experienced paralysis 12 hours after getting her first dose of the Pfizer COVID vaccine and is still hospitalized, WPXI-TV reported.

The Pennsylvania woman said she initially felt fine after being vaccinated, but woke up in the middle of the night with no feeling in her arms or legs.

“It was the scariest thing in the world to go to sleep completely fine (and walking), to wake up 1:30 in the morning and not be able to move at all,” the woman said. “I’m literally counting on my daughter to hand me my phone to call to get help.”

Paramedics rushed her to the hospital where she was later transferred to the Cleveland Clinic where doctors ran tests to figure out how and why she suffered paralysis. An MRI and spinal tap were clear and blood work all came back negative, ruling out any rare diseases or disorders.

“There is just nothing they can find wrong with me,” the woman told Channel 11. “No underlying conditions, I have nothing in my history and they are basically telling me, ‘You’re healthy and we can’t figure out why this is going on.’”

Although she has regained feeling and strength in her arms, she has no function from her lower chest down besides very slight movement in a few toes. The woman’s family confirmed with Channel 11 that her case was reported to Pfizer.

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In a statement provided to Channel 11 News, Pfizer’s director of global media relations said:

“We take adverse events that are potentially associated with our COVID-19 vaccine, BNT162b2, very seriously. We closely monitor all such events and collect relevant information to share with global regulatory authorities. At this time, our ongoing review has not identified any safety signals with paralysis and the Pfizer-BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine. To date, more than 2001 million people around the world have been vaccinated with our vaccine. It is important to note that serious adverse events that are unrelated to the vaccine are unfortunately likely to occur at a similar rate as they would in the general population.”

However, a search on the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) for paralysis, including transverse myelitis, myelitis, paralysis and Guillain-Barré Syndrome (GBS), yielded 151 total reports. Eighty-eight cases of paralysis-related disorders were reported with Pfizer, 62 with Moderna and 11 with Johnson & Johnson’s (J&J) vaccine.

**

Full article here:

33-Year-Old Woman Hospitalized for ‘Mysterious’ Paralysis 12 Hours After Pfizer Vaccine

Doctors at the Cleveland Clinic performed a series of tests, but say they don’t know what caused the woman to develop paralysis following her first dose of the Pfizer vaccine.

childrenshealthdefense.org

Also thought I'd include links to 3 previous threads I made regarding the Pfizer Covid Vaccine for easy reference:

CDZ - Pfizer Vaccine May Put People at Higher Risk for COVID Variants, Israeli Study Shows

Found this article today over at RFK Jr.'s Children's Health Defense website. Just published yesterday, think it's quite interesting. Constructive feedback welcome. ** Israeli researchers found people who received two doses of the Pfizer vaccine were eight times more likely to be infected with...

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CDZ - ‘No Medical Certainty’ Pfizer Vaccine Caused Death of 56-Year-Old Doctor, Medical Examiners Say

This just published today on Children Health Defense: ** 04/09/21 Dr. Gregory Michael developed an autoimmune disorder three days after being vaccinated, and died about two weeks later. Scientists have linked the disorder to the Pfizer and Moderna COVID vaccines, but officials categorized...

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From the CDC itself:

"When evaluating data from VAERS, it is important to note that for any reported event, no cause-and-effect relationship has been established. Reports of all possible associations between vaccines and adverse events (possible side effects) are filed in VAERS. Therefore, VAERS collects data on any adverse event following vaccination, be it coincidental or truly caused by a vaccine. The report of an adverse event to VAERS is not documentation that a vaccine caused the event."


I'd also like to mention that your source is a joke.

Children’s Health Defense - Bias and Credibility

CONSPIRACY-PSEUDOSCIENCE Sources in the Conspiracy-Pseudoscience category may publish unverifiable information that is not always supported by evidence.

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This has been rfk's mo for some time. He is a known whack-job with no credibility.

The Anti-Vaccine Propaganda of Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.

Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., does not want you to think of him as an anti-vaxxer. I have yet to meet an anti-vaxxer—someone who spreads misinformation about all vaccines being harmful—who is comfortable with the label. Kennedy is not just anti-vaccine; by many recent accounts, he is one of the...

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RFK Jr. Video Pushes Known Vaccine Misrepresentations - FactCheck.org

A video stoking fears of the COVID-19 vaccines in the Black community is being promoted online. But the film repeats misrepresentations about vaccines, generally, and exploits historical cases of unethical medical conduct to suggest without evidence that COVID-19 vaccines are unsafe.

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Children's Health Defense - Wikipedia

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RFK Jr. kicked off Instagram for vaccine misinformation

Instagram on Wednesday banned Robert F. Kennedy Jr., son of former presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy, from repeatedly posting misinformation about vaccine safety and COVID-19.

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Covert Anti-Vaccination in ‘Children’s Health Defense’ | Center for Inquiry

Children’s Health Defense, founded in 2016 by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. The Children’s Health Defense (CHD) initiative sounds unimpeachable. Who doesn’t want children to be healthy, right? But there’s a sinister side to the organization. The CHD positions itself as a science-based advocacy...

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I would strongly suggest you find some more reputable sources. This particular one seems to figure strongly in every thread you start, and is proven to be nothing but pseudoscience bunk.

 

[phoenyx]

I made a thread for the Johnson and Johnson Vaccine, figure would make sense to do one for Pfizer as well. So starting it off with some quotes from an article on a 33 year old woman:

**
A healthy 33-year-old woman in Bethel Park, Pennsylvania, who asked to remain anonymous, experienced paralysis 12 hours after getting her first dose of the Pfizer COVID vaccine and is still hospitalized, WPXI-TV reported.

The Pennsylvania woman said she initially felt fine after being vaccinated, but woke up in the middle of the night with no feeling in her arms or legs.

“It was the scariest thing in the world to go to sleep completely fine (and walking), to wake up 1:30 in the morning and not be able to move at all,” the woman said. “I’m literally counting on my daughter to hand me my phone to call to get help.”

Paramedics rushed her to the hospital where she was later transferred to the Cleveland Clinic where doctors ran tests to figure out how and why she suffered paralysis. An MRI and spinal tap were clear and blood work all came back negative, ruling out any rare diseases or disorders.

“There is just nothing they can find wrong with me,” the woman told Channel 11. “No underlying conditions, I have nothing in my history and they are basically telling me, ‘You’re healthy and we can’t figure out why this is going on.’”

Although she has regained feeling and strength in her arms, she has no function from her lower chest down besides very slight movement in a few toes. The woman’s family confirmed with Channel 11 that her case was reported to Pfizer.

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In a statement provided to Channel 11 News, Pfizer’s director of global media relations said:

“We take adverse events that are potentially associated with our COVID-19 vaccine, BNT162b2, very seriously. We closely monitor all such events and collect relevant information to share with global regulatory authorities. At this time, our ongoing review has not identified any safety signals with paralysis and the Pfizer-BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine. To date, more than 2001 million people around the world have been vaccinated with our vaccine. It is important to note that serious adverse events that are unrelated to the vaccine are unfortunately likely to occur at a similar rate as they would in the general population.”

However, a search on the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) for paralysis, including transverse myelitis, myelitis, paralysis and Guillain-Barré Syndrome (GBS), yielded 151 total reports. Eighty-eight cases of paralysis-related disorders were reported with Pfizer, 62 with Moderna and 11 with Johnson & Johnson’s (J&J) vaccine.

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Full article here:

33-Year-Old Woman Hospitalized for ‘Mysterious’ Paralysis 12 Hours After Pfizer Vaccine

Doctors at the Cleveland Clinic performed a series of tests, but say they don’t know what caused the woman to develop paralysis following her first dose of the Pfizer vaccine.

childrenshealthdefense.org

Also thought I'd include links to 3 previous threads I made regarding the Pfizer Covid Vaccine for easy reference:

CDZ - Pfizer Vaccine May Put People at Higher Risk for COVID Variants, Israeli Study Shows

Found this article today over at RFK Jr.'s Children's Health Defense website. Just published yesterday, think it's quite interesting. Constructive feedback welcome. ** Israeli researchers found people who received two doses of the Pfizer vaccine were eight times more likely to be infected with...

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CDZ - ‘No Medical Certainty’ Pfizer Vaccine Caused Death of 56-Year-Old Doctor, Medical Examiners Say

This just published today on Children Health Defense: ** 04/09/21 Dr. Gregory Michael developed an autoimmune disorder three days after being vaccinated, and died about two weeks later. Scientists have linked the disorder to the Pfizer and Moderna COVID vaccines, but officials categorized...

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From the CDC itself:

"When evaluating data from VAERS, it is important to note that for any reported event, no cause-and-effect relationship has been established. Reports of all possible associations between vaccines and adverse events (possible side effects) are filed in VAERS. Therefore, VAERS collects data on any adverse event following vaccination, be it coincidental or truly caused by a vaccine. The report of an adverse event to VAERS is not documentation that a vaccine caused the event."

I have never said otherwise. -However-, the fact that thousands of Americans have been reported as dying shortly after taking a Covid vaccine and thousands have become seriously injured strongly suggests that the vaccines are playing a large part. The example in the OP is just one such example that strongly suggests that these covid vaccines are causing a lot of harm.

I would strongly suggest you find some more reputable sources.

CHD is one of the most reputable sources I know.

 

[Crepitus]

the fact that thousands of Americans have been reported as dying shortly after taking a Covid vaccine and thousands have become seriously injured strongly suggests that the vaccines are playing a large part.

It doesn't suggest that at all. I already posted the facts behind vaers.

You're completely misinterpreting the data. Or rather letting someone else misinterpret it for you. It's just like the thread you posted about the study that supposedly showed getting the vaccine made you more susceptible to the variants than unvaccinated people. The study showed no such thing, but an unscrupulous person with an agenda could reinterpret it that way and use it to spread misinformation.

 

[phoenyx]

the fact that thousands of Americans have been reported as dying shortly after taking a Covid vaccine and thousands have become seriously injured strongly suggests that the vaccines are playing a large part.

It doesn't suggest that at all.

I strongly disagree.

 

[Crepitus]

the fact that thousands of Americans have been reported as dying shortly after taking a Covid vaccine and thousands have become seriously injured strongly suggests that the vaccines are playing a large part.

It doesn't suggest that at all.

I strongly disagree.

You may disagree all you would like, but that doesn't change the facts.

 

[phoenyx]

the fact that thousands of Americans have been reported as dying shortly after taking a Covid vaccine and thousands have become seriously injured strongly suggests that the vaccines are playing a large part.

It doesn't suggest that at all.

I strongly disagree.

You may disagree all you would like, but that doesn't change the facts.

Agreed, and the facts are on my side .

 

[Crepitus]

the fact that thousands of Americans have been reported as dying shortly after taking a Covid vaccine and thousands have become seriously injured strongly suggests that the vaccines are playing a large part.

It doesn't suggest that at all.

I strongly disagree.

You may disagree all you would like, but that doesn't change the facts.

I'm afraid that's just not true. Your only source is a well known conspiracy theory junk site.

Unless you can show some real data you don't actually have any facts at all, much less all of them.

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

600,000 people have died from COVID.

I'll take my chances with 1/2,000,000 temporary paralysis.

People are really, really, really bad at math.

People really are bad at math.

For instance, the notion that 600k people have died from covid. Sensible people know this number is a lie.

Then let's start with the fact that if only 10% of the 600k people who have died of covid actually died of covid, that means that .000074% of the people will die from Covid.

That is 1.7 tenths of a percent of dying from Covid.

Far less than dying from the 'cure'.

People are also bad at history. Pfizer like most big pharma firms has a very long history of fines and criminal actions.

Would you take a jab from the Mafia or a Mexican drug cartel?
Pfizer's History of Crimes and Misdemeanors - Progressive Radio Network
Crimes of Covid Vaccine Maker Pfizer Documented
Pfizer - History of Pfizer, Products & Legal Claims
Pfizer Hit with Largest Criminal Fine in US History

Drug maker Pfizer, Inc. and one of its subsidiaries have agreed to pay $2.3 billion dollars to settle civil and criminal charges regarding its marketing of the drug Bextra. The criminal portion of the fine is the largest fine ever levied by the United States government for any matter. As part of the settlement, Pfizer pled guilty to felony violation of the Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act for marketing the drug with the intent to deceive and mislead the public.

Unfortunately, these records don't seem to last long -- Eli Lilly set the previous record with its illegal Viva Zyprexa campaign just last January.

I have no idea how people can still trust these vaccine companies. It is like trusting a psycopathic liar who has killed people in the past. I think most people are just unaware and or don't want to be aware.

Yes. It’s sad that so many people are sheep. They want to be told what to do.

What’s really hilarious are the sheep telling those of us unwilling to take a fake vaccine from a criminal entity, that we’re crazy.

The power of the media, big pharma, and the government (Axis of Evil) to deceive should never be underestimated.

Please gipper, I am hopping to make the Clean Debate Zone one where we don't insult each other with base insults. As I mentioned to Thoth, my father is generally a very intelligent man, but when it comes to vaccines, not so much. He's taken the first dose of one of the 2 dose Covid vaccines and is set to take his second. I'm trying to persuade him otherwise, not sure if I'll succeed. But what I do know is that he definitely didn't like my brother calling him a sheep. I'm thinking along the lines of my signature- we can't beat them over the head with the truth, we have to entice them to come look at the evidence we've seen.

did it occur to you that NOT getting the vaccine makes y'all, sheeple?

I don’t think you understand the meaning. Lol. You do as you’re told by the establishment. That makes you a little lamb. Those who oppose the establishment are brave courageous warriors. See the difference?

i see people that don't look at science as willfully ignorant.

Define "science." "Science" isnt absolute. The left loves its "political" science yet the left denies the baby in the womb is HUMAN. You think men can will themselves to become women, and you think leftists whites can be black if they will it.

You people are fools who cant admid you dont accept "science" if it doesnt push your agenda

 

[badger2]

Dipshit #209: If wikipedia states a scientific fact, which they have, then you are full of it.