Bull Ring ding: Does work in physics require motion

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When thermal equilibrium is achieved no more work can be performed through thermodynamic processes as a temperature differential does not exist to drive those processes. From a thermodynamic standpoint the system has reached maximum entropy and disorder.

If you look at Newton Cradel and how it works, now if you replace those balls with say newtrons the whole system changes in a new type of theory.It becomes more of a thermalization of friction. If you take the thinking to a quantuin area I can only guess what will be found.

Friction is a loss of usable energy. There is no such thing as a free lunch.

 

[edthecynic]

When thermal equilibrium is achieved no more work can be performed through thermodynamic processes as a temperature differential does not exist to drive those processes. From a thermodynamic standpoint the system has reached maximum entropy and disorder.

But as long as there is motion, there is kinetic energy to do WORK, the DYNAMIC part of ThermoDYNAMICS. You can't take the DYNAMICS out of ThermoDynamics no matter how hard you try, and you will never stop trying simply because you are too dishonest to admit that a know-it-all like yourself could EVER be wrong.

 

[edthecynic]

Friction is a loss of usable energy. There is no such thing as a free lunch.

But there are things in nature that ARE friction free!!!! I pointed this out to you in another thread months ago! Did you forget already?

 

[ding]

When thermal equilibrium is achieved no more work can be performed through thermodynamic processes as a temperature differential does not exist to drive those processes. From a thermodynamic standpoint the system has reached maximum entropy and disorder.

But as long as there is motion, there is kinetic energy to do WORK, the DYNAMIC part of ThermoDYNAMICS. You can't take the DYNAMICS out of ThermoDynamics no matter how hard you try, and you will never stop trying simply because you are too dishonest to admit that a know-it-all like yourself could EVER be wrong.

According to thermodynamics once maximum entropy is reached maximum disorder has been reached and there is no more thermodynamic free energy available. This occurs when thermal equilibrium occurs and the temperature of the system is spatially uniform.

 

[ding]

It is not possible for heat to flow from objects at the same temperature.

Therefore, it is not possible for thermodynamic processes to occur when the system is at a spatially uniform temperature.

 

[edthecynic]

When thermal equilibrium is achieved no more work can be performed through thermodynamic processes as a temperature differential does not exist to drive those processes. From a thermodynamic standpoint the system has reached maximum entropy and disorder.

But as long as there is motion, there is kinetic energy to do WORK, the DYNAMIC part of ThermoDYNAMICS. You can't take the DYNAMICS out of ThermoDynamics no matter how hard you try, and you will never stop trying simply because you are too dishonest to admit that a know-it-all like yourself could EVER be wrong.

According to thermodynamics once maximum entropy is reached maximum disorder has been reached and there is no more thermodynamic free energy available. This occurs when thermal equilibrium occurs and the temperature of the system is spatially uniform.

But maximum entropy can NEVER be reached in reality, it is a theoretical construct only. There is no temperature at which no work can be done.

 

[ding]

Maximum entropy is achieved when thermal equilibrium is achieved. This does not mean the uniform temperature of the system has reached absolute zero. This only means that the system has reached a spatially uniform temperature. This is absolutely possible.

 

[edthecynic]

It is not possible for heat to flow from objects at the same temperature.

Therefore, it is not possible for thermodynamic processes to occur when the system is at a spatially uniform temperature.

It is not possible for THERMAL processes to occur at a uniform temperature, but it IS possible for DYNAMIC processes to to occur at a uniform temperature. There is NO heat death of the universe!!!!! WORK can always be done at any temperature except absolute zero which is impossible to reach in reality.

 

[ding]

The third law of thermodynamics states that it is not possible for a closed system to reach a temperature of absolute zero given a finite amount of time and finite resources.

It does not mathematically preclude a system from reaching a uniform temperature warmer than absolute zero.

 

[ding]

It is not possible for heat to flow from objects at the same temperature.

Therefore, it is not possible for thermodynamic processes to occur when the system is at a spatially uniform temperature.

It is not possible for THERMAL processes to occur at a uniform temperature, but it IS possible for DYNAMIC processes to to occur at a uniform temperature. There is NO heat death of the universe!!!!! WORK can always be done at any temperature except absolute zero which is impossible to reach in reality.

Not thermodynamic processes which is all the 4 laws of thermodynamics address.

 

[edthecynic]

Maximum entropy is achieved when thermal equilibrium is achieved. This does not mean the uniform temperature of the system has reached absolute zero. This only means that the system has reached a spatially uniform temperature. This is absolutely possible.

But it doesn't mean no WORK can be done! How many times and ways do you have to be told before it sinks in???????

 

[ding]

No work via a thermodynamic process can be done when maximum entropy has been reached because the system is at a spatially uniform temperature which means that it is not possible for heat to flow within the system because everything is at the same temperature.

The Laws of Thermodynamics are restricted to thermodynamic processes.

 

[edthecynic]

It is not possible for heat to flow from objects at the same temperature.

Therefore, it is not possible for thermodynamic processes to occur when the system is at a spatially uniform temperature.

It is not possible for THERMAL processes to occur at a uniform temperature, but it IS possible for DYNAMIC processes to to occur at a uniform temperature. There is NO heat death of the universe!!!!! WORK can always be done at any temperature except absolute zero which is impossible to reach in reality.

Not thermodynamic processes which is all the 4 laws of thermodynamics address.

Hey pal, I suspect you understand the 0th Law the least.

 

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[edthecynic]

No work via a thermodynamic process can be done when maximum entropy has been reached because the system is at a spatially uniform temperature which means that it is not possible for heat to flow within the system because everything is at the same temperature.

The Laws of Thermodynamics are restricted to thermodynamic processes.

WORK is a thermoDYNAMIC process.

 

[ding]

One would think that someone who believed the TLoT means thermal equilibrium cannot be reached because thermal equilibrium can only occur at a temperature of absolute zero would be the one who doesn't understand thermodynamic processes.

 

[edthecynic]

The third law of thermodynamics states that it is not possible for a closed system to reach a temperature of absolute zero given a finite amount of time and finite resources.

It does not mathematically preclude a system from reaching a uniform temperature warmer than absolute zero.

And at a temperature greater than absolute zero, WORK can still be done.

 

[ding]

No work via a thermodynamic process can be done when maximum entropy has been reached because the system is at a spatially uniform temperature which means that it is not possible for heat to flow within the system because everything is at the same temperature.

The Laws of Thermodynamics are restricted to thermodynamic processes.

WORK is a thermoDYNAMIC process.

Not when temperatures are spatially uniform in a closed system it isn't.

Heat cannot flow if everything is the same temperature and if heat cannot flow there are no thermodynamic processes.

 

[ding]

The third law of thermodynamics states that it is not possible for a closed system to reach a temperature of absolute zero given a finite amount of time and finite resources.

It does not mathematically preclude a system from reaching a uniform temperature warmer than absolute zero.

And at a temperature greater than absolute zero, WORK can still be done.

If the closed system is at a spatially uniform temperature then no thermodynamic processes are possible. Heat cannot flow if everything is the same temperature and if heat cannot flow there are no thermodynamic processes.

 

[edthecynic]

One would think that someone who believed the TLoT means thermal equilibrium cannot be reached because thermal equilibrium can only occur at a temperature of absolute zero would be the one who doesn't understand thermodynamic processes.

You are leaving out that the theoretical thermal equilibrium requires that there is no energy to do WORK, only heat. Do I have to quote your OWN post again?????