Difference Between Real People & Fictional Characters

[HaShev]

A character (or fictional character) is a person in a narrative work (such as a novel, or passion play).
I KEEP HEARING PEOPLE COMMENT THAT:
Although Rome borrowed legends and customs of many cultures and infused them into Christianity that Jesus still actually historically existed or was based on someone who did. This is not an honest assesment since being based on many figures and mythologies/deities does not make you based on a singular historical figure to say you existed as that singular figure.
Let me use an analogy:
Larry David writes a Tv Pilot for Jerry Seinfeld, now Jerry in the TV show is loosely based on the real Jerry but since Larry David's sense of humor is in the comedic irony it's also Larry David making the Jerry image in the stories /scripts.
Now one could argue Jerry exists, but he's not the King of comedy without Larry David nor is TV Jerry an actual person. That could he argued.
Same with Kramer being based mostly on a friend of Larry David, but once again the TV Kramer is not special without Larry David.
HOWEVER here's where you guys mess up your logic; suppose you have George based on former comedic Tv and movie fictional Figures mixed with the quirks and stories of a few real figures like Gregory, GEOFFRY, AND Harry. These converged figures can't have their real names like Kramer and Jerry have, so they get a new name, new birthdate as well.
They have 3 jobs so the character needs his own new job or has all 3 jobs through the seasonsas he get's fired from each one. *L* Even George owes his image to the writer Larry David for even though George is written to he Italian, he shows the traits of the Jewish writer.
So now is George real, did George Castanza exist as a singular historical person?
If you said yes then go sit on santa clauses lap- and here's your sign that says "I RIDE THE SHORT BUS"

 

[shimon]

Ah i liken this to the story of rosa parks she refused to give up her seat to a white rider... She refused to go to the back of the bus.. She had the strength of character and fortitude to say enough is enough.. I admire her for standing up for what is right and necessary instead of just sitting down on the bus...the new testament.... And letting it dictate where and when we travel and get off...time for people to also tell the bus driver and the authorities that thry will sit where they like and how they like and that thrir bus the new testament has no power over them...who will be the next rosa parks....

 

[shimon]

Another point if i may michael many of us grew up watching walt disney characters on tv and the movies these characters inspired us and amuzed us as children and even as adults but when we became adults we realized they were make believe and we let go of our fondness of these characters ... We still brought our children to love and adore them as well but we let them grow out of their fanntasies about them after a certain age so how come as grown men and women we still find the need to hold onto those fantasies about jesus and his merry men that we should have left behind us long ago.....

 

[HaShev]

That's why they use real figures. Like all propaganda a little reality mixed in makes the wild stories seem to impossible to he made up as people commented when you shine light on this matter. Hence such analogies help them recognize their irrational logic and proper view be made sense of in a manner they are more likely to see how they were tricked and deceived by even their own way of seeing things with blinder on.
Removing the veil so they can see...(Isaiah)

 

[HaShev]

A good thresher (dosh) stomps on the grain (of truth) to remove the thin film (veil ) in order to seperate the wheat from the chaff so the edible seperates and removes from the unedible.
That is why the Mikdash is also called the MikDosh.

 

[UllysesS.Archer]

I have a few questions.

How many Muslims did you feed last month? How many Buddhists? How many Atheists? How many Christians? ok, I get it, Jews are supposed to take care of Jews, so let's make it a really simple question.

How many other Jews did you feed last month? And how many did you let go hungry?

We(Jesus followers) fed millions, Locally, we(Jesus followers) fed hundreds. Some Christian, some non-Christian, because, we don't ask. We just feed the hungry. And yesterday, we put together enough food packs to feed over 100,000 people. What did you manage to do yesterday? (Figure out a few more ways to rip on those who are doing Your God's work.)

Enjoy the food.

You're welcome.

 

[HaShev]

Ullys,
you mean like Israel sending Medics and rescue teams to Islamic countries during earthquakes?
Or to Haiti and other Christian missionized abused lands?
Or Jews escorting Muslim children to their schools after 911 in offerring protection from backlashed outrage predjudices?
Or like my organization advocacy which offered marketed publicity exposure to womans rights groups in Afghanistan before we even knew what abuses the Taliban were doing?
Or like my organization teaching war torn areas like Afghanistan and Iraq how to build playground for kids in war torn regions?
Or like Jewish orgs that help all people with education, food, etc etc.
Note none of these orgs do it to bring benefit to themselves or try and sign people up.
In Christian missionaries however, is just that sinister motive, proselytizing with one goal sign future tax payers (tithes) and abuse the kids.
Because you gotta pay the troll toll! And you would know about trolling, for surely you can't accuse the seperation of reality from fiction as having anything to do with bashing or doing mitzvahs. You are off track to the premise of this post and doing so as a ad hominom technique to sidetrack the reality that you can't argue against so you change the topic and try and demonize people to lift yourself high and lofty....but guess what it fails to address the subject and opens up a can of worms as to why Christians allow child abusong missionaries have access to foreign children? Do they not see Hindus and Muslims and Spanish and Black people as human beings who diserve equal rights of protection against your perverted missionaries who use their causes to steal money and abuse children?

 

[UllysesS.Archer]

You misunderstood the question.

I was addressing you, how many people did you feed last month? And how many did you let go hungry?

I can only control what I do, not what others, who claim Christianity does, just as you can't control Jews who recognize no God whatsoever. You can only control your own self(at least we hope so). And do what you can do to make the world better, even if it's just for one other person.

If, as you say, Jesus was a myth, then He was the greatest myth ever created, for more has been done in HIs name to feed the world, and clothe the world, heal the sick, build schools, etc, etc, etc, than any other name ever spoken, even more than Yahweh/Jehovah/I am/The God of Abraham.

 

[HaShev]

You just admited your question had nothing to do with the topic and had no innocent purpose.
If you must know about me personally I'm the guy who gave extra blankets lying around to the homeless in the winter when I lived in such climate. Brought left over food from the restaurant nobody was gonna bring out and had the restaurant give me to go box with the soul purpose to give to a homless teen hanging outside the restaurant. I'm the guy who got yelled out by A bouncer for handing a night club's free donut directly to a homeless man outside the club.
I don't do these things to "sign anyone up" nor get publicity nor win brownie points...I do them because it's a natural instinct to want to do for others what you would hope others do for you. This does not change the fact that reality and fiction are 2 distinct differences.
If you can't recognize reality figures from fictiobal characters then you are living in a fantasy, and when you do, say hello to Cozmo Kramer-"Cause there's no soup for you!"

 

[HaShev]

More done in the myth you say?
But you selectively leave out the molestations done in the name of the Myth. The thousands of wars & 50 million+ murders done in the name. More theft of money then outreach and since people rightfully argue over socialism maybe even you yourself pump your fist at Obama, soial aid many times nakes things worse not h
better. The oreachers have high priced jewels and cars and homes yet these charities do not bring better lives to Haiti or Africa etc. zmany ofcthem are scaming money in dact most scams are Christian charity related.
So your point is the charade cost us more then you selectively chosecto discuss- brilliant- now get on the bus and here's your sign!

 

[UllysesS.Archer]

If hurling insults is all you can do, then you have already given up the fight.

I have no problem admitting that much harm has been done by those claiming Christianity, yet you seem to have a great deal of problem admitting that Christians feed more hungry people than any other organization in the world, only select countries(like the USA) feed more hungry, and I don't count them as organizations.

So as I said, if Jesus was a myth, then all good people of the world, should want to follow the example He laid out. Love your neighbor, feed His sheep, do unto others as you would have them do unto you, and if someone wants to slap you, then turn the other cheek. That's a myth(according to some) I gladly follow.

 

[shimon]

Ullysses that is a completely bogus argument it is only been in the last century that christian organizations have been distributing food in a large organized fashion however they always seem to have an ulterior motive and that is to convert the indigenious people away from their form of worship...in india the gurdwaras think nothing of distributing thousands of free meals a day and along come the christian orgs giving out a few meals taking pictures asking people from home to give more and then they try to convert these people... Your pride in the name of jesus is misplaced....go to india and other places and see for yourself the people there are not amuzed....

 

[HaShev]

Ulysis context of my comment was not an insult when it jokingly refered to my original post you keep ignoring=oart of the lesson.
But in your reply you inadvertantly admited you and your insults and christianity given itself up for judgement when you replied;
" If hurling insults is all you can do, then you have
already given up the fight."

You should have gotten more then that from this discussion.
You should have realized that you were saying the great lie is acceptable if it means the resulting charities and deeds. I can't believe you would think like that and doing it selectively was just your own ego blinding you.
Fitst of all those are Judaic values and teachings that many cultures share, and if you don't have lucifer and this converged death worship you have Judaism the deeds and God ypu claim is one in the same.
By your replies you arecadmiting they aren't the same without realizing it. You are also giving the charade credit for Torah teachings and values.

You are just learning why God allows Lucifer to exist.
Take away the half Jewish convergance the false prophet image brings and their Baal worship no longer has good deeds and Torah's ethos. They still rule with pagan traditions but no longer have the values you are bragging about. Now with the pagan society half way there Moshiach ben David can bring the 2 sticks into one and bring them fully into the Torah.

 

[HaShev]

I NOTICED THIS QUESTION WAS CONVENIENTLY NOT ANSWERED:
Do they not see Hindus
and Muslims and Spanish and Black people as
human beings who deserve equal rights of
protection against your perverted missionaries who
use their causes to steal money and abuse
children?

The reason why I bring this up is because I notice a disturbing subconcious theme in Christian mission ads & promotions & documentaries. These Christian charities which see nudity as porn don't seem to see Hispanic, Black, Asian, & Hindu people as human beings otherwise they would not display other cultures naked kids like they are mere animals while at the same time protesting art photographers like Sally Mann and the likes.
Why would they recognize it as wrong when it's a Caucasion, but feel it's ok to place their other cultural pornographic ads on prime time TV where even kids are watching the ads?
Surely the Christian groups are seeing these Hispanic, Asian, African, and Hindu children no different then a naked animal otherwise they'd recognize it untasteful and undignified and subjectified. So they are willing to abuse and degrade people to show this facade of outreach and are doing so with subconcious predjudices for other races and cultures. *shaking my head*
Now everyone knows why they avoided answering the question.

 

[UllysesS.Archer]

Ullysses that is a completely bogus argument it is only been in the last century that christian organizations have been distributing food in a large organized fashion however they always seem to have an ulterior motive and that is to convert the indigenious people away from their form of worship...in india the gurdwaras think nothing of distributing thousands of free meals a day and along come the christian orgs giving out a few meals taking pictures asking people from home to give more and then they try to convert these people... Your pride in the name of jesus is misplaced....go to india and other places and see for yourself the people there are not amuzed....

Just one quick question.

When were you in India with Christians?

 

[HaShev]

Does a person who avoids answering questions deserve to ask other people questions or is there some double standard only Luciferians get to enjoy?

Just 2 quick question in return while we wait for him.
When were you invisible around Torah teachings on mitzvahs and what planet did you live on where there was no Jewish charities, volunteers, & deeds?

 

[amrchaos]

Sometimes a Good Lie leads to Good Deeds. That does not justify keeping the Good Lie. It leads to examining why you did the Good Deeds.

 

[shimon]

I prefer not to answer that question ulysses but i will say this in judiasm i was taught there were different levels of tsedaka or giving.... Charity if you may... Certain levels are higher then others for example giving money not knowing where it is going and the recipiant not knowing where it is coming from.... I myself have trouble with this because there is no quarentee that the person or org i give the money to will give it as i wish and they may keep alot of it for themselves for administration if you may... So i prefer a more hands on approach such as seeing a man rummaging through the garbage at a local park...i will offer him money to go and get a proper meal now i realize he could go and use the money to buy drugs or alcohol but really it is his choice to use the money in any way he sees fit... I am just providing him with the tools to do as he chooses. I could give you other examples but it is not necessary nor am i trying to toot my horn nor do i have any ulterior motives.... I just want you to realize that there are people out there that give, ask nothing in return and remain anonomous and do it out of the kindness of their hearts not because of teachings but because of their nature to do so... You do not have to belong to any organized group and have group pride you just have to do it because you want to or need to and once it is done forget about it and never mention it again and certainy not want anything in return....

 

[HaShev]

Yeah I'm the same way, as most of those charities only 10% go towards actual helping while the other 90% Is all administration and often abused funds.
I'd rather hands on become their life coach then keep throwing money at the empty pit that is their inability to manage it- the EU with Greece being the perfect example of what not to do. *L*

I have the perfect example of this that happened Saturday. A drunk lady who had lost her husband last year was complaining about her electric bill with the heat wave we've been having summer bills are double or tripple the avg bill. She did not know she can get the electric co to cost avg budget her bill so there are no spike periods outside her usual budget.
Then in giving ideas on renting out rooms she felt she would not handle the privacy issue or losing the rooms for daughterly visits, so I suggested renting out her garage which she never thought of as helping to offset expenses and yet not losing any privacy.
So which is better, giving money to someone who misshandles it on booze, and will still wind up 8n financial stress, or give them help budgeting their expenses and garnishing offset income so they can be
out of their financial mess for good?
It's a no brainer.

 

[shimon]

I didnt really want to give him money but i wasnt going to invite him in my car and take him to a restaraunt and if i bought him a meal by the time i got back he might have left and i dont want the rxtra calories....lol... So yes i agree with doing thing your way but in this case would not work out...i like the blanket idea esp in winter it is really something that is better then a mere meal."..