difference between leftism and liberalism

[browsing deer]

Too bad the liberals in today's government practice leftism wholesale.

Making it a distinction without a difference.

"Liberals" today in government practice exactly the kind of "leftism" you described.

I'm clicking on your examples and the links don't work, but to the extent that's true, they can't be Liberals.

If anyone is "polluting" the title of "liberal", it's them.

Umm.... it's only you and your ilk making that conflation. And you've been trying to get away with it for a long time, but that doesn't make it any less bullshittious.

One of the major problems in American political consciousness today comes from a misrepresentation of the political spectrum. This is partly the result of a deliberate effort to put all of America's enemies (fascists and communists) into the same basket after World War II, and a deliberate effort by the American "Right" to classify everything that they oppose as "Leftist". After World War II the Republican Party was struggling for survival and was in the process of reinventing itself. Part of the political strategy of some Republicans was to portray the Democratic Party of Truman and Franklin D. Roosevelt as "Red," thereby associating "Liberalism" with "Socialism". It was a common tactic during the 1950s to accuse Democrats of being "Communists" or "Communist sympathizers", a tactic that worked well during the McCarthy era and has had a lasting impact on how Americans view politics. -- Redefining the Political Spectrum​

Now by default, "liberal" means "bi-government totalitarian", regardless of attempts by those liberals to pretend there's still a difference.

Wrong. Doesn't mean that and never did.

Liberalism first became a distinct political movement during the Age of Enlightenment, when it became popular among philosophers and economists in the Western world. Liberalism rejected the notions, common at the time, of hereditary privilege, state religion, absolute monarchy, and the Divine Right of Kings. The 17th-century philosopher John Locke is often credited with founding liberalism as a distinct philosophical tradition. Locke argued that each man has a natural right to life, liberty and property,[11] while adding that governments must not violate these rights based on the social contract. Liberals opposed traditional conservatism and sought to replace absolutism in government with representative democracy and the rule of law. (Wiki)
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Liberalism threw off the First and Second Estates (Clergy and Aristocracy) and distributed power to We the People -- the Third Estate. That is what it means.

Communism and Facism are pretty much the same thing. Total state control and mass murder. Trying to differentiate mass murder is like trying to differentiate between John Wayne Gacey and Jeffery Dahlmer. You get to that level....

 

[Pogo]

Too bad the liberals in today's government practice leftism wholesale.

Making it a distinction without a difference.

"Liberals" today in government practice exactly the kind of "leftism" you described.

I'm clicking on your examples and the links don't work, but to the extent that's true, they can't be Liberals.

If anyone is "polluting" the title of "liberal", it's them.

Umm.... it's only you and your ilk making that conflation. And you've been trying to get away with it for a long time, but that doesn't make it any less bullshittious.

One of the major problems in American political consciousness today comes from a misrepresentation of the political spectrum. This is partly the result of a deliberate effort to put all of America's enemies (fascists and communists) into the same basket after World War II, and a deliberate effort by the American "Right" to classify everything that they oppose as "Leftist". After World War II the Republican Party was struggling for survival and was in the process of reinventing itself. Part of the political strategy of some Republicans was to portray the Democratic Party of Truman and Franklin D. Roosevelt as "Red," thereby associating "Liberalism" with "Socialism". It was a common tactic during the 1950s to accuse Democrats of being "Communists" or "Communist sympathizers", a tactic that worked well during the McCarthy era and has had a lasting impact on how Americans view politics. -- Redefining the Political Spectrum​

Now by default, "liberal" means "bi-government totalitarian", regardless of attempts by those liberals to pretend there's still a difference.

Wrong. Doesn't mean that and never did.

Liberalism first became a distinct political movement during the Age of Enlightenment, when it became popular among philosophers and economists in the Western world. Liberalism rejected the notions, common at the time, of hereditary privilege, state religion, absolute monarchy, and the Divine Right of Kings. The 17th-century philosopher John Locke is often credited with founding liberalism as a distinct philosophical tradition. Locke argued that each man has a natural right to life, liberty and property,[11] while adding that governments must not violate these rights based on the social contract. Liberals opposed traditional conservatism and sought to replace absolutism in government with representative democracy and the rule of law. (Wiki)
​

Liberalism threw off the First and Second Estates (Clergy and Aristocracy) and distributed power to We the People -- the Third Estate. That is what it means.

Communism and Facism are pretty much the same thing. Total state control and mass murder. Trying to differentiate mass murder is like trying to differentiate between John Wayne Gacey and Jeffery Dahlmer. You get to that level....

Nobody brought up "communism and fascism" as such. But there's nothing about communism that requires a totalitarian or dictatorial government anyway, nor does it have anything to do with "mass murder". Nor does fascism for that matter.

Know what a cum hoc fallacy is? Because you sure know how to post one.

 

[Wry Catcher]

I am sufficiently aware there are differences. the leftists always confuse and conflate the two.

this was written by Karen Lehrman Bloch.


1. Liberalism is a political philosophy.

Leftism is a cult.

2. Liberalism espouses a core set of values and principles—freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of the press—that are applied to every situation in every country of the world.

Leftism espouses a fascist interpretation of said principles with a selective application that serves only to further the Leftist agenda.

3. Liberalism allows for different points of view. Liberals even respectfully listen to viewpoints that go against liberalism.

Leftists angrily silence all dissent.

4. Liberals celebrate individuality: each liberal is unique in both personal and political choices.

Leftism is built upon conformity. Leftists wear the same clothes, speak the same coded language, think the same thoughts. If they don’t, they are immediately outed and ousted.

5. Liberals do not fear being disliked for their beliefs: they would rather be right and out of fashion.

Leftists hate being disliked, and would rather die than have unfashionable beliefs.

6. Liberals have great compassion for the suffering in the world.

Leftists have selective compassion. If the compassion serves the Leftist agenda, they will express it. If it doesn’t, they will ignore it.

7. Liberals think before they talk.

Leftists listen (to hear what other Leftists are saying) before they talk.

8. Politics is important to liberals, but it doesn’t come before family and friends.

Leftists will sell out their parents and children if it meant scoring points with fellow Leftists.

9. Leftists argue by name-calling, bullying, and ending friendships.

Liberals argue by using arguments.

10. Leftists think they are the smartest people in the room because they have advanced degrees.

Liberals don’t see higher education as a sign of advanced intelligence, and also know that intelligence and morality are often mutually exclusive: some of the smartest people have conceived of the most evil ideas.

11. Leftists see the role of universities as the indoctrination of Leftism.

Liberals see the role of universities as the enhancement of critical thinking.

12. Leftists see the role of the media as the indoctrination of Leftism.

Liberals see a distinct difference between objective reporting and opinion.

13. Leftists believe in factual relativism—“truth” is a concept to bend when necessary.

Liberals believe in truth and universal truths.

14. Leftists believe in moral relativism; if a trendy “victimized” culture is acting immorally that immorality must be overlooked and/or denied.

Liberals believe in universal morality.

15. Liberalism allows for all religious and spiritual beliefs.

Leftism replaces religion; it even replaces race.

16. Liberals tend to be happy, confident people, secure in their ability to navigate the world.

Leftists tend to be fearful, angry people who use their Leftism both to assuage their fears and as a bulldozer to navigate each day.

Liberal has a different meaning now than what you're using. If you say 'liberal', 99% of folks are going to think of modern left leaning folks.

They'd be wrong. Liberalism views government like a referee and otherwise stands out of the way. Leftism (and rightism) are simply more active. My go-to example: declaring "all men are created equal" is Liberalism; trying to force it into practice via Affirmative Action is leftism.

That said, the OP's list here is pretty much an emotional meltdown that purports to ascribe personal traits to an entire philosophy -- which is always an absurdism.

Affirmative Action righted a wrong. In essence it was an effort to level the playing field; in practice it did in most places, and was abused in other places. Its guiding principle being all men and women are equal under the law - it was not true when AA was first implemented, and it is not true today.

I agree 100% with your second paragraph.

 

[Pogo]

I am sufficiently aware there are differences. the leftists always confuse and conflate the two.

this was written by Karen Lehrman Bloch.


1. Liberalism is a political philosophy.

Leftism is a cult.

2. Liberalism espouses a core set of values and principles—freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of the press—that are applied to every situation in every country of the world.

Leftism espouses a fascist interpretation of said principles with a selective application that serves only to further the Leftist agenda.

3. Liberalism allows for different points of view. Liberals even respectfully listen to viewpoints that go against liberalism.

Leftists angrily silence all dissent.

4. Liberals celebrate individuality: each liberal is unique in both personal and political choices.

Leftism is built upon conformity. Leftists wear the same clothes, speak the same coded language, think the same thoughts. If they don’t, they are immediately outed and ousted.

5. Liberals do not fear being disliked for their beliefs: they would rather be right and out of fashion.

Leftists hate being disliked, and would rather die than have unfashionable beliefs.

6. Liberals have great compassion for the suffering in the world.

Leftists have selective compassion. If the compassion serves the Leftist agenda, they will express it. If it doesn’t, they will ignore it.

7. Liberals think before they talk.

Leftists listen (to hear what other Leftists are saying) before they talk.

8. Politics is important to liberals, but it doesn’t come before family and friends.

Leftists will sell out their parents and children if it meant scoring points with fellow Leftists.

9. Leftists argue by name-calling, bullying, and ending friendships.

Liberals argue by using arguments.

10. Leftists think they are the smartest people in the room because they have advanced degrees.

Liberals don’t see higher education as a sign of advanced intelligence, and also know that intelligence and morality are often mutually exclusive: some of the smartest people have conceived of the most evil ideas.

11. Leftists see the role of universities as the indoctrination of Leftism.

Liberals see the role of universities as the enhancement of critical thinking.

12. Leftists see the role of the media as the indoctrination of Leftism.

Liberals see a distinct difference between objective reporting and opinion.

13. Leftists believe in factual relativism—“truth” is a concept to bend when necessary.

Liberals believe in truth and universal truths.

14. Leftists believe in moral relativism; if a trendy “victimized” culture is acting immorally that immorality must be overlooked and/or denied.

Liberals believe in universal morality.

15. Liberalism allows for all religious and spiritual beliefs.

Leftism replaces religion; it even replaces race.

16. Liberals tend to be happy, confident people, secure in their ability to navigate the world.

Leftists tend to be fearful, angry people who use their Leftism both to assuage their fears and as a bulldozer to navigate each day.

Liberal has a different meaning now than what you're using. If you say 'liberal', 99% of folks are going to think of modern left leaning folks.

They'd be wrong. Liberalism views government like a referee and otherwise stands out of the way. Leftism (and rightism) are simply more active. My go-to example: declaring "all men are created equal" is Liberalism; trying to force it into practice via Affirmative Action is leftism.

That said, the OP's list here is pretty much an emotional meltdown that purports to ascribe personal traits to an entire philosophy -- which is always an absurdism.

Affirmative Action righted a wrong. In essence it was an effort to level the playing field; in practice it did in most places, and was abused in other places. Its guiding principle being all men and women are equal under the law - it was not true when AA was first implemented, and it is not true today.

I agree 100% with your second paragraph.

Yeah I'm not passing judgment on it, just identifying.

Fun fact: the first "affirmative action" governmental strokes were initiated by Republicans -- first in Reconstruction just after the Civil War, and in the modern era by Richard Nixon with the Philadelphia Plan.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Too bad the liberals in today's government practice leftism wholesale.

Making it a distinction without a difference.

"Liberals" today in government practice exactly the kind of "leftism" you described.

I'm clicking on your examples and the links don't work, but to the extent that's true, they can't be Liberals.

If anyone is "polluting" the title of "liberal", it's them.

Umm.... it's only you and your ilk making that conflation. And you've been trying to get away with it for a long time, but that doesn't make it any less bullshittious.

One of the major problems in American political consciousness today comes from a misrepresentation of the political spectrum. This is partly the result of a deliberate effort to put all of America's enemies (fascists and communists) into the same basket after World War II, and a deliberate effort by the American "Right" to classify everything that they oppose as "Leftist". After World War II the Republican Party was struggling for survival and was in the process of reinventing itself. Part of the political strategy of some Republicans was to portray the Democratic Party of Truman and Franklin D. Roosevelt as "Red," thereby associating "Liberalism" with "Socialism". It was a common tactic during the 1950s to accuse Democrats of being "Communists" or "Communist sympathizers", a tactic that worked well during the McCarthy era and has had a lasting impact on how Americans view politics. -- Redefining the Political Spectrum​

Now by default, "liberal" means "bi-government totalitarian", regardless of attempts by those liberals to pretend there's still a difference.

Wrong. Doesn't mean that and never did.

Liberalism first became a distinct political movement during the Age of Enlightenment, when it became popular among philosophers and economists in the Western world. Liberalism rejected the notions, common at the time, of hereditary privilege, state religion, absolute monarchy, and the Divine Right of Kings. The 17th-century philosopher John Locke is often credited with founding liberalism as a distinct philosophical tradition. Locke argued that each man has a natural right to life, liberty and property,[11] while adding that governments must not violate these rights based on the social contract. Liberals opposed traditional conservatism and sought to replace absolutism in government with representative democracy and the rule of law. (Wiki)
​

Liberalism threw off the First and Second Estates (Clergy and Aristocracy) and distributed power to We the People -- the Third Estate. That is what it means.

Communism and Facism are pretty much the same thing. Total state control and mass murder. Trying to differentiate mass murder is like trying to differentiate between John Wayne Gacey and Jeffery Dahlmer. You get to that level....

Communism and Fascism were mostly examples of totalitarianism, nothing more. To suggest they are pretty much the same thing is wrong.

 

[Skylar]

Too bad the liberals in today's government practice leftism wholesale.

Making it a distinction without a difference.

"Liberals" today in government practice exactly the kind of "leftism" you described.

I'm clicking on your examples and the links don't work, but to the extent that's true, they can't be Liberals.

If anyone is "polluting" the title of "liberal", it's them.

Umm.... it's only you and your ilk making that conflation. And you've been trying to get away with it for a long time, but that doesn't make it any less bullshittious.

One of the major problems in American political consciousness today comes from a misrepresentation of the political spectrum. This is partly the result of a deliberate effort to put all of America's enemies (fascists and communists) into the same basket after World War II, and a deliberate effort by the American "Right" to classify everything that they oppose as "Leftist". After World War II the Republican Party was struggling for survival and was in the process of reinventing itself. Part of the political strategy of some Republicans was to portray the Democratic Party of Truman and Franklin D. Roosevelt as "Red," thereby associating "Liberalism" with "Socialism". It was a common tactic during the 1950s to accuse Democrats of being "Communists" or "Communist sympathizers", a tactic that worked well during the McCarthy era and has had a lasting impact on how Americans view politics. -- Redefining the Political Spectrum​

Now by default, "liberal" means "bi-government totalitarian", regardless of attempts by those liberals to pretend there's still a difference.

Wrong. Doesn't mean that and never did.

Liberalism first became a distinct political movement during the Age of Enlightenment, when it became popular among philosophers and economists in the Western world. Liberalism rejected the notions, common at the time, of hereditary privilege, state religion, absolute monarchy, and the Divine Right of Kings. The 17th-century philosopher John Locke is often credited with founding liberalism as a distinct philosophical tradition. Locke argued that each man has a natural right to life, liberty and property,[11] while adding that governments must not violate these rights based on the social contract. Liberals opposed traditional conservatism and sought to replace absolutism in government with representative democracy and the rule of law. (Wiki)
​

Liberalism threw off the First and Second Estates (Clergy and Aristocracy) and distributed power to We the People -- the Third Estate. That is what it means.

Communism and Facism are pretty much the same thing. Total state control and mass murder. Trying to differentiate mass murder is like trying to differentiate between John Wayne Gacey and Jeffery Dahlmer. You get to that level....

Communism and Fascism were mostly examples of totalitarianism, nothing more. To suggest they are pretty much the same thing is wrong.

Communism in and of itself isn't particularly totalitarian. But Stalinism most definitely was. Fascism blows goats from the gate.

 

[Skylar]

Too bad the liberals in today's government practice leftism wholesale.

Making it a distinction without a difference.

"Liberals" today in government practice exactly the kind of "leftism" you described.

I'm clicking on your examples and the links don't work, but to the extent that's true, they can't be Liberals.

If anyone is "polluting" the title of "liberal", it's them.

Umm.... it's only you and your ilk making that conflation. And you've been trying to get away with it for a long time, but that doesn't make it any less bullshittious.

One of the major problems in American political consciousness today comes from a misrepresentation of the political spectrum. This is partly the result of a deliberate effort to put all of America's enemies (fascists and communists) into the same basket after World War II, and a deliberate effort by the American "Right" to classify everything that they oppose as "Leftist". After World War II the Republican Party was struggling for survival and was in the process of reinventing itself. Part of the political strategy of some Republicans was to portray the Democratic Party of Truman and Franklin D. Roosevelt as "Red," thereby associating "Liberalism" with "Socialism". It was a common tactic during the 1950s to accuse Democrats of being "Communists" or "Communist sympathizers", a tactic that worked well during the McCarthy era and has had a lasting impact on how Americans view politics. -- Redefining the Political Spectrum​

Now by default, "liberal" means "bi-government totalitarian", regardless of attempts by those liberals to pretend there's still a difference.

Wrong. Doesn't mean that and never did.

Liberalism first became a distinct political movement during the Age of Enlightenment, when it became popular among philosophers and economists in the Western world. Liberalism rejected the notions, common at the time, of hereditary privilege, state religion, absolute monarchy, and the Divine Right of Kings. The 17th-century philosopher John Locke is often credited with founding liberalism as a distinct philosophical tradition. Locke argued that each man has a natural right to life, liberty and property,[11] while adding that governments must not violate these rights based on the social contract. Liberals opposed traditional conservatism and sought to replace absolutism in government with representative democracy and the rule of law. (Wiki)
​

Liberalism threw off the First and Second Estates (Clergy and Aristocracy) and distributed power to We the People -- the Third Estate. That is what it means.

Communism and Facism are pretty much the same thing. Total state control and mass murder. Trying to differentiate mass murder is like trying to differentiate between John Wayne Gacey and Jeffery Dahlmer. You get to that level....

Nope. Communism is state ownership of all means of production. Its a pretty strict economic system with an emphasis on the worker, equality, and local control.

Fascism involves dictatorship, state sanctioned racism, belligerent nationalism, suppression of the press, strict socio-economic controls, and usually an oligarchical council where heads of industry conspire with the dictator to control the economy.

Venn those out and there is some overlap. But not much.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Too bad the liberals in today's government practice leftism wholesale.

Making it a distinction without a difference.

"Liberals" today in government practice exactly the kind of "leftism" you described.

I'm clicking on your examples and the links don't work, but to the extent that's true, they can't be Liberals.

If anyone is "polluting" the title of "liberal", it's them.

Umm.... it's only you and your ilk making that conflation. And you've been trying to get away with it for a long time, but that doesn't make it any less bullshittious.

One of the major problems in American political consciousness today comes from a misrepresentation of the political spectrum. This is partly the result of a deliberate effort to put all of America's enemies (fascists and communists) into the same basket after World War II, and a deliberate effort by the American "Right" to classify everything that they oppose as "Leftist". After World War II the Republican Party was struggling for survival and was in the process of reinventing itself. Part of the political strategy of some Republicans was to portray the Democratic Party of Truman and Franklin D. Roosevelt as "Red," thereby associating "Liberalism" with "Socialism". It was a common tactic during the 1950s to accuse Democrats of being "Communists" or "Communist sympathizers", a tactic that worked well during the McCarthy era and has had a lasting impact on how Americans view politics. -- Redefining the Political Spectrum​

Now by default, "liberal" means "bi-government totalitarian", regardless of attempts by those liberals to pretend there's still a difference.

Wrong. Doesn't mean that and never did.

Liberalism first became a distinct political movement during the Age of Enlightenment, when it became popular among philosophers and economists in the Western world. Liberalism rejected the notions, common at the time, of hereditary privilege, state religion, absolute monarchy, and the Divine Right of Kings. The 17th-century philosopher John Locke is often credited with founding liberalism as a distinct philosophical tradition. Locke argued that each man has a natural right to life, liberty and property,[11] while adding that governments must not violate these rights based on the social contract. Liberals opposed traditional conservatism and sought to replace absolutism in government with representative democracy and the rule of law. (Wiki)
​

Liberalism threw off the First and Second Estates (Clergy and Aristocracy) and distributed power to We the People -- the Third Estate. That is what it means.

Communism and Facism are pretty much the same thing. Total state control and mass murder. Trying to differentiate mass murder is like trying to differentiate between John Wayne Gacey and Jeffery Dahlmer. You get to that level....

Communism and Fascism were mostly examples of totalitarianism, nothing more. To suggest they are pretty much the same thing is wrong.

Communism in and of itself isn't particularly totalitarian. But Stalinism most definitely was. Fascism blows goats from the gate.

True. I was speaking in terms of how Communism is perceived by the right wing, i.e. Stalin, Mao, etc.

 

[Pogo]

"Liberals" today in government practice exactly the kind of "leftism" you described.

I'm clicking on your examples and the links don't work, but to the extent that's true, they can't be Liberals.

If anyone is "polluting" the title of "liberal", it's them.

Umm.... it's only you and your ilk making that conflation. And you've been trying to get away with it for a long time, but that doesn't make it any less bullshittious.

One of the major problems in American political consciousness today comes from a misrepresentation of the political spectrum. This is partly the result of a deliberate effort to put all of America's enemies (fascists and communists) into the same basket after World War II, and a deliberate effort by the American "Right" to classify everything that they oppose as "Leftist". After World War II the Republican Party was struggling for survival and was in the process of reinventing itself. Part of the political strategy of some Republicans was to portray the Democratic Party of Truman and Franklin D. Roosevelt as "Red," thereby associating "Liberalism" with "Socialism". It was a common tactic during the 1950s to accuse Democrats of being "Communists" or "Communist sympathizers", a tactic that worked well during the McCarthy era and has had a lasting impact on how Americans view politics. -- Redefining the Political Spectrum​

Now by default, "liberal" means "bi-government totalitarian", regardless of attempts by those liberals to pretend there's still a difference.

Wrong. Doesn't mean that and never did.

Liberalism first became a distinct political movement during the Age of Enlightenment, when it became popular among philosophers and economists in the Western world. Liberalism rejected the notions, common at the time, of hereditary privilege, state religion, absolute monarchy, and the Divine Right of Kings. The 17th-century philosopher John Locke is often credited with founding liberalism as a distinct philosophical tradition. Locke argued that each man has a natural right to life, liberty and property,[11] while adding that governments must not violate these rights based on the social contract. Liberals opposed traditional conservatism and sought to replace absolutism in government with representative democracy and the rule of law. (Wiki)
​

Liberalism threw off the First and Second Estates (Clergy and Aristocracy) and distributed power to We the People -- the Third Estate. That is what it means.

Communism and Facism are pretty much the same thing. Total state control and mass murder. Trying to differentiate mass murder is like trying to differentiate between John Wayne Gacey and Jeffery Dahlmer. You get to that level....

Communism and Fascism were mostly examples of totalitarianism, nothing more. To suggest they are pretty much the same thing is wrong.

Communism in and of itself isn't particularly totalitarian. But Stalinism most definitely was. Fascism blows goats from the gate.

True. I was speaking in terms of how Communism is perceived by the right wing, i.e. Stalin, Mao, etc.

And therein lies the cum hoc fallacy that post 21 used to dig itself into a hole.

 

[2aguy]

I am sufficiently aware there are differences. the leftists always confuse and conflate the two.

this was written by Karen Lehrman Bloch.


1. Liberalism is a political philosophy.

Leftism is a cult.

2. Liberalism espouses a core set of values and principles—freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of the press—that are applied to every situation in every country of the world.

Leftism espouses a fascist interpretation of said principles with a selective application that serves only to further the Leftist agenda.

3. Liberalism allows for different points of view. Liberals even respectfully listen to viewpoints that go against liberalism.

Leftists angrily silence all dissent.

4. Liberals celebrate individuality: each liberal is unique in both personal and political choices.

Leftism is built upon conformity. Leftists wear the same clothes, speak the same coded language, think the same thoughts. If they don’t, they are immediately outed and ousted.

5. Liberals do not fear being disliked for their beliefs: they would rather be right and out of fashion.

Leftists hate being disliked, and would rather die than have unfashionable beliefs.

6. Liberals have great compassion for the suffering in the world.

Leftists have selective compassion. If the compassion serves the Leftist agenda, they will express it. If it doesn’t, they will ignore it.

7. Liberals think before they talk.

Leftists listen (to hear what other Leftists are saying) before they talk.

8. Politics is important to liberals, but it doesn’t come before family and friends.

Leftists will sell out their parents and children if it meant scoring points with fellow Leftists.

9. Leftists argue by name-calling, bullying, and ending friendships.

Liberals argue by using arguments.

10. Leftists think they are the smartest people in the room because they have advanced degrees.

Liberals don’t see higher education as a sign of advanced intelligence, and also know that intelligence and morality are often mutually exclusive: some of the smartest people have conceived of the most evil ideas.

11. Leftists see the role of universities as the indoctrination of Leftism.

Liberals see the role of universities as the enhancement of critical thinking.

12. Leftists see the role of the media as the indoctrination of Leftism.

Liberals see a distinct difference between objective reporting and opinion.

13. Leftists believe in factual relativism—“truth” is a concept to bend when necessary.

Liberals believe in truth and universal truths.

14. Leftists believe in moral relativism; if a trendy “victimized” culture is acting immorally that immorality must be overlooked and/or denied.

Liberals believe in universal morality.

15. Liberalism allows for all religious and spiritual beliefs.

Leftism replaces religion; it even replaces race.

16. Liberals tend to be happy, confident people, secure in their ability to navigate the world.

Leftists tend to be fearful, angry people who use their Leftism both to assuage their fears and as a bulldozer to navigate each day.

She is describing modern American Conservatives and how they differ from leftists..........

 

[Contumacious]

Too bad the liberals in today's government practice leftism wholesale.

Making it a distinction without a difference.

"Liberals" today in government practice exactly the kind of "leftism" you described.

I'm clicking on your examples and the links don't work, but to the extent that's true, they can't be Liberals.

If anyone is "polluting" the title of "liberal", it's them.

Umm.... it's only you and your ilk making that conflation. And you've been trying to get away with it for a long time, but that doesn't make it any less bullshittious.

One of the major problems in American political consciousness today comes from a misrepresentation of the political spectrum. This is partly the result of a deliberate effort to put all of America's enemies (fascists and communists) into the same basket after World War II, and a deliberate effort by the American "Right" to classify everything that they oppose as "Leftist". After World War II the Republican Party was struggling for survival and was in the process of reinventing itself. Part of the political strategy of some Republicans was to portray the Democratic Party of Truman and Franklin D. Roosevelt as "Red," thereby associating "Liberalism" with "Socialism". It was a common tactic during the 1950s to accuse Democrats of being "Communists" or "Communist sympathizers", a tactic that worked well during the McCarthy era and has had a lasting impact on how Americans view politics. -- Redefining the Political Spectrum​

Now by default, "liberal" means "bi-government totalitarian", regardless of attempts by those liberals to pretend there's still a difference.

Wrong. Doesn't mean that and never did.

Liberalism first became a distinct political movement during the Age of Enlightenment, when it became popular among philosophers and economists in the Western world. Liberalism rejected the notions, common at the time, of hereditary privilege, state religion, absolute monarchy, and the Divine Right of Kings. The 17th-century philosopher John Locke is often credited with founding liberalism as a distinct philosophical tradition. Locke argued that each man has a natural right to life, liberty and property,[11] while adding that governments must not violate these rights based on the social contract. Liberals opposed traditional conservatism and sought to replace absolutism in government with representative democracy and the rule of law. (Wiki)
​

Liberalism threw off the First and Second Estates (Clergy and Aristocracy) and distributed power to We the People -- the Third Estate. That is what it means.

Communism and Facism are pretty much the same thing. Total state control and mass murder. Trying to differentiate mass murder is like trying to differentiate between John Wayne Gacey and Jeffery Dahlmer. You get to that level....

Nobody brought up "communism and fascism" as such. But there's nothing about communism that requires a totalitarian or dictatorial government anyway, nor does it have anything to do with "mass murder". Nor does fascism for that matter.

Know what a cum hoc fallacy is? Because you sure know how to post one.

Yo Vern


HAVE YOU TALKED TO THE CUBANS IN MIAMI, OR ARE YOU TALKING OUT OF YOUR ASS?


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[Pogo]

Too bad the liberals in today's government practice leftism wholesale.

Making it a distinction without a difference.

"Liberals" today in government practice exactly the kind of "leftism" you described.

I'm clicking on your examples and the links don't work, but to the extent that's true, they can't be Liberals.

If anyone is "polluting" the title of "liberal", it's them.

Umm.... it's only you and your ilk making that conflation. And you've been trying to get away with it for a long time, but that doesn't make it any less bullshittious.

One of the major problems in American political consciousness today comes from a misrepresentation of the political spectrum. This is partly the result of a deliberate effort to put all of America's enemies (fascists and communists) into the same basket after World War II, and a deliberate effort by the American "Right" to classify everything that they oppose as "Leftist". After World War II the Republican Party was struggling for survival and was in the process of reinventing itself. Part of the political strategy of some Republicans was to portray the Democratic Party of Truman and Franklin D. Roosevelt as "Red," thereby associating "Liberalism" with "Socialism". It was a common tactic during the 1950s to accuse Democrats of being "Communists" or "Communist sympathizers", a tactic that worked well during the McCarthy era and has had a lasting impact on how Americans view politics. -- Redefining the Political Spectrum​

Now by default, "liberal" means "bi-government totalitarian", regardless of attempts by those liberals to pretend there's still a difference.

Wrong. Doesn't mean that and never did.

Liberalism first became a distinct political movement during the Age of Enlightenment, when it became popular among philosophers and economists in the Western world. Liberalism rejected the notions, common at the time, of hereditary privilege, state religion, absolute monarchy, and the Divine Right of Kings. The 17th-century philosopher John Locke is often credited with founding liberalism as a distinct philosophical tradition. Locke argued that each man has a natural right to life, liberty and property,[11] while adding that governments must not violate these rights based on the social contract. Liberals opposed traditional conservatism and sought to replace absolutism in government with representative democracy and the rule of law. (Wiki)
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Liberalism threw off the First and Second Estates (Clergy and Aristocracy) and distributed power to We the People -- the Third Estate. That is what it means.

Communism and Facism are pretty much the same thing. Total state control and mass murder. Trying to differentiate mass murder is like trying to differentiate between John Wayne Gacey and Jeffery Dahlmer. You get to that level....

Nobody brought up "communism and fascism" as such. But there's nothing about communism that requires a totalitarian or dictatorial government anyway, nor does it have anything to do with "mass murder". Nor does fascism for that matter.

Know what a cum hoc fallacy is? Because you sure know how to post one.

Yo Vern


HAVE YOU TALKED TO THE CUBANS IN MIAMI, OR ARE YOU TALKING OUT OF YOUR ASS?

There is no "Vern" here, Pinky. Nor is there any discussion of "Cubans" or "Miami".

Even if your post here is commensurate in efficacy with that city's baseball team. Fuggin' screwball.

 

[browsing deer]

Too bad the liberals in today's government practice leftism wholesale.

Making it a distinction without a difference.

"Liberals" today in government practice exactly the kind of "leftism" you described.

I'm clicking on your examples and the links don't work, but to the extent that's true, they can't be Liberals.

If anyone is "polluting" the title of "liberal", it's them.

Umm.... it's only you and your ilk making that conflation. And you've been trying to get away with it for a long time, but that doesn't make it any less bullshittious.

One of the major problems in American political consciousness today comes from a misrepresentation of the political spectrum. This is partly the result of a deliberate effort to put all of America's enemies (fascists and communists) into the same basket after World War II, and a deliberate effort by the American "Right" to classify everything that they oppose as "Leftist". After World War II the Republican Party was struggling for survival and was in the process of reinventing itself. Part of the political strategy of some Republicans was to portray the Democratic Party of Truman and Franklin D. Roosevelt as "Red," thereby associating "Liberalism" with "Socialism". It was a common tactic during the 1950s to accuse Democrats of being "Communists" or "Communist sympathizers", a tactic that worked well during the McCarthy era and has had a lasting impact on how Americans view politics. -- Redefining the Political Spectrum​

Now by default, "liberal" means "bi-government totalitarian", regardless of attempts by those liberals to pretend there's still a difference.

Wrong. Doesn't mean that and never did.

Liberalism first became a distinct political movement during the Age of Enlightenment, when it became popular among philosophers and economists in the Western world. Liberalism rejected the notions, common at the time, of hereditary privilege, state religion, absolute monarchy, and the Divine Right of Kings. The 17th-century philosopher John Locke is often credited with founding liberalism as a distinct philosophical tradition. Locke argued that each man has a natural right to life, liberty and property,[11] while adding that governments must not violate these rights based on the social contract. Liberals opposed traditional conservatism and sought to replace absolutism in government with representative democracy and the rule of law. (Wiki)
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Liberalism threw off the First and Second Estates (Clergy and Aristocracy) and distributed power to We the People -- the Third Estate. That is what it means.

Communism and Facism are pretty much the same thing. Total state control and mass murder. Trying to differentiate mass murder is like trying to differentiate between John Wayne Gacey and Jeffery Dahlmer. You get to that level....

Communism and Fascism were mostly examples of totalitarianism, nothing more. To suggest they are pretty much the same thing is wrong.

Your second sentence is the exact opposite of your first.... What are you saying? Something a and something b are both examples of x. To say they are the same thing is wrong.... What?

 

[francoHFW]

OP- Liberalism is Democratic policy. Leftism is BS Pub propaganda, for hater dupes only. The Democratic Party is actually pragmatic CENTRIST liberalism, while the GOP is falling off the idiotic, brainwashed right wing- the world's laughingstock and horror.

 

[francoHFW]

There's always some faker who tries to claim the liberals of the 1700s (back when "liberal" meant supporting liberty) are no different from the disingenuous leftist totalitarians of today.

The only thing today's libs are hard about is their faith in the truth. You brainwashed, ignorant fools don't even understand what that is anymore.

 

[peach174]

There's always some faker who tries to claim the liberals of the 1700s (back when "liberal" meant supporting liberty) are no different from the disingenuous leftist totalitarians of today.

The only difference between a liberal then and now is we don't live 250 years ago. They dealt with their world, we deal with ours. The same set of principles apply, you just don't approve of them for the most part.

Then we should be number one in the worlds list of freedom.
Instead we are at number 47 out of the 48 listed.
This is not the same set of principals and we are losing our freedoms because of the Progressives (big government control) in both parties.

 

[peach174]

Not only that but we are losing in our freedom of the press.
U.S. drops in state of free press ranking report - NY Daily News
The state of free press in the U.S. is bad, according to the 2014 World Press Freedom Index compiled by Reporters Without Borders (Reporters sans frontières).

The U.S. was ranked 46th among the 180 nations surveyed, falling 13 places since last year.

Finland, the Netherlands and Norway are among the most free nations for journalists. Iran, China and North Korea are among the most restrictive for reporters.

 

[francoHFW]

There's always some faker who tries to claim the liberals of the 1700s (back when "liberal" meant supporting liberty) are no different from the disingenuous leftist totalitarians of today.

The only difference between a liberal then and now is we don't live 250 years ago. They dealt with their world, we deal with ours. The same set of principles apply, you just don't approve of them for the most part.

Then we should be number one in the worlds list of freedom.
Instead we are at number 47 out of the 48 listed.
This is not the same set of principals and we are losing our freedoms because of the Progressives (big government control) in both parties.

ACTUALLY, we're losing in that survey because of lobbyists and corporations and big money and bs propaganda and corporate journalism ruining our politics. All PUBCRAPPE, Pub dupe.

 

[Little-Acorn]

The only thing today's libs are hard about is their faith in the truth.

.... and how that truth (especially the truth of modern liberal program results never matching their predictions and promises) must not be allowed into the light of day. Anyone who tries to reveal and discuss it, must be shouted down, lied about, and destroyed.

 

[francoHFW]

BS, dupe. Examples lol?