Did Lincoln own slaves?

[ShootSpeeders]

Most of the Union Generals owned Slaves and were very racist.

General Sherman was very unapologitic about he views on race. For him the Civil War was about ending the South as a Nation State. Lincoln was more than willing to keep Slavery if doing so would have preserved the Union.

Yes indeed. Lots of union generals were slaveowners during the war. And yet schoolbooks tell students the Union was fighting to free the slaves!!!

 

[Freewill]

Most of the Union Generals owned Slaves and were very racist.

General Sherman was very unapologitic about he views on race. For him the Civil War was about ending the South as a Nation State. Lincoln was more than willing to keep Slavery if doing so would have preserved the Union.

Yes indeed. Lots of union generals were slaveowners during the war. And yet schoolbooks tell students the Union was fighting to free the slaves!!!

Nope, what your history books should be telling you, and do, is that the south went to war to preserve slavery.

 

[Freewill]

States rights meant the right to own and sell and pander human flesh.

All symptoms lead back to the root cause, slavery.

The Constitution legalized slavery, moron, not the states. The federal government even enforced it.

You mean like this: (3) The Confederate States may acquire new territory; and Congress shall have power to legislate and provide governments for the inhabitants of all territory belonging to the Confederate States, lying without the limits of the several Sates; and may permit them, at such times, and in such manner as it may by law provide, to form States to be admitted into the Confederacy. In all such territory the institution of negro slavery, as it now exists in the Confederate States, shall be recognized and protected be Congress and by the Territorial government; and the inhabitants of the several Confederate States and Territories shall have the right to take to such Territory any slaves lawfully held by them in any of the States or Territories of the Confederate States.

Now, tell us where any such language appears in the COTUS. And please, not the 3/5ths clause.

Now tell us what bearing the Confederate Constitution has on the fact that the U.S. Constitution legalized slavery?

Because the COTUS does not but the Confederate does, which is exactly opposite of what you are trying to convince us.

 

[bripat9643]

States rights meant the right to own and sell and pander human flesh.

All symptoms lead back to the root cause, slavery.

The Constitution legalized slavery, moron, not the states. The federal government even enforced it.

You mean like this: (3) The Confederate States may acquire new territory; and Congress shall have power to legislate and provide governments for the inhabitants of all territory belonging to the Confederate States, lying without the limits of the several Sates; and may permit them, at such times, and in such manner as it may by law provide, to form States to be admitted into the Confederacy. In all such territory the institution of negro slavery, as it now exists in the Confederate States, shall be recognized and protected be Congress and by the Territorial government; and the inhabitants of the several Confederate States and Territories shall have the right to take to such Territory any slaves lawfully held by them in any of the States or Territories of the Confederate States.

Now, tell us where any such language appears in the COTUS. And please, not the 3/5ths clause.

Now tell us what bearing the Confederate Constitution has on the fact that the U.S. Constitution legalized slavery?

Because the COTUS does not but the Confederate does, which is exactly opposite of what you are trying to convince us.

Of course the COTUS legalized slavery. If it didn't, then how did slavery exist in the United States?

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Of course the COTUS legalized slavery. If it didn't, then how did slavery exist in the United States?

Slavery was legal here long before the US was a country, dumbass. Slavery in the United States - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[Pogo]

Of course the COTUS legalized slavery. If it didn't, then how did slavery exist in the United States?

Slavery was legal here long before the US was a country, dumbass. Slavery in the United States - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

In fact, transracial slavery in the Americas started with Columbus. He'd send Indians out to look for gold and if they came back emptyhanded, he'd cut off their hands.

African slaves here go back approximately five hundred years. Spanish brought 'em in to what is now South Carolina. That group got away but they brought more.

 

[Syriusly]

Uh all allies were responsible for burning nazi and Japan controlled cities. Ever hear of Dresden, or Tokyo fire bombing. Pretty bad stuff, not to mention Hiroshima and Nagasaki. But thus is war. Yes slavery wasn't the only issue in the civil war, but it was a big one. And I am against the end justify the means policies, policies used by the north in the civil war, policies that had a lot of civil rights violations, but I had no say in those. So I'm just glad that there is no slavery anymore in the Us bc it is terrible. And it's bigger than ever world wide, why is no one talking about that

Why did you even bother to comment if you aren't going to discuss the issue at hand? The question is "who started the war."

And since when are you the board monitor.

It was a good comment.

We all know who started the war- South Carolina.

What you all "know" is mostly bullshit and propaganda. Your comment was stupid, just like all your other comments.

LOL.....and your post pretty much encapsulates all you ever contribute.

South Carolina started the war.
You still are upset that the North ended slavery.

 

[Syriusly]

Most of the Union Generals owned Slaves and were very racist.

General Sherman was very unapologitic about he views on race. For him the Civil War was about ending the South as a Nation State. Lincoln was more than willing to keep Slavery if doing so would have preserved the Union.

Yes indeed. Lots of union generals were slaveowners during the war. And yet schoolbooks tell students the Union was fighting to free the slaves!!!

The North didn't go to war to free the slaves- the South started the war to protect their 'right' to own human property.

 

[Syriusly]

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Lincoln started the war, dumbass. The Union fools who charged into cannister at Gettysburg deserved what they got because they voted for the warmonger tyrant Lincoln.

By that standard the Confederate fools who charged into Union cannister and were hit by Union snipers and had their homes burned by Union torches deserved it for voting in the warmongering Confederate- Jefferson Davis.

Nope. Jefferson Davis did not start the war. Lincoln did. You don't blame the people in the country being invaded for getting killed by the invader. You would blame for Poles for getting mowed under by Nazi tanks.

Of course- unlike you- I don't cheer the deaths of any American soldiers- either Union or Confederate. All of those deaths were tragic and entirely preventable, if South Carolina had not started the war by firing on Federal troops.

So sad you cheer on the death of American soldiers.

Sure you do. You cheer the deaths of every American who lived in the Confederacy. Lincoln started the war. Repeating your idiot claim over and over doesn't make it true.

I don't cheer for any American that died during the Civil War- that is all you- cheering the deaths of American soldiers.

It was tragic that the Southern States caused the war that resulted in so much death and destruction.

Entirely preventable- and in the end they lost the slaves they went to war to keep.

 

[Freewill]

States rights meant the right to own and sell and pander human flesh.

All symptoms lead back to the root cause, slavery.

The Constitution legalized slavery, moron, not the states. The federal government even enforced it.

You mean like this: (3) The Confederate States may acquire new territory; and Congress shall have power to legislate and provide governments for the inhabitants of all territory belonging to the Confederate States, lying without the limits of the several Sates; and may permit them, at such times, and in such manner as it may by law provide, to form States to be admitted into the Confederacy. In all such territory the institution of negro slavery, as it now exists in the Confederate States, shall be recognized and protected be Congress and by the Territorial government; and the inhabitants of the several Confederate States and Territories shall have the right to take to such Territory any slaves lawfully held by them in any of the States or Territories of the Confederate States.

Now, tell us where any such language appears in the COTUS. And please, not the 3/5ths clause.

Now tell us what bearing the Confederate Constitution has on the fact that the U.S. Constitution legalized slavery?

Because the COTUS does not but the Confederate does, which is exactly opposite of what you are trying to convince us.

Of course the COTUS legalized slavery. If it didn't, then how did slavery exist in the United States?

The COTUS didn't make slavery illegal nor legal, unlike the constitution of the confederacy.

 

[JakeStarkey]

No,but he married into a kentucky family, the Todds, that had a lot of slaves. Many of his Union generals were slave owners during the civil war. His second VP, andrew johnson, was a slave owner during the cw.

Still think lincoln started the war to end slavery?

In the sense that before the Civil War the U.S. Government bought and sold Slaves maybe. Lincoln himself never owned Slaves. Don't know if he freed the Slaves by the Government though.

Most of the Union Generals owned Slaves and were very racist.

General Sherman was very unapologitic about he views on race. For him the Civil War was about ending the South as a Nation State. Lincoln was more than willing to keep Slavery if doing so would have preserved the Union.

Which does not excuse the South from starting the war.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Most of the Union Generals owned Slaves and were very racist.

General Sherman was very unapologitic about he views on race. For him the Civil War was about ending the South as a Nation State. Lincoln was more than willing to keep Slavery if doing so would have preserved the Union.

Yes indeed. Lots of union generals were slaveowners during the war. And yet schoolbooks tell students the Union was fighting to free the slaves!!!

Nonsense about the school books, buddy. Most say the South started the war to keep slaves, and slavery was ended because of the South's stupidity.

 

[ShootSpeeders]

The North didn't go to war to free the slaves- the South started the war to protect their 'right' to own human property.

How did the south start the war? They just walked away and then the north said - you can't do that.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The South fired on federal property, Ft.Sumter, which SC recognized in legal contract work with the feds some twenty years earlier.

 

[Syriusly]

The North didn't go to war to free the slaves- the South started the war to protect their 'right' to own human property.

How did the south start the war? They just walked away and then the north said - you can't do that.

How did the South start the war?

They fired on American troops.

 

[bravoactual]

Most of the Union Generals owned Slaves and were very racist.

General Sherman was very unapologitic about he views on race. For him the Civil War was about ending the South as a Nation State. Lincoln was more than willing to keep Slavery if doing so would have preserved the Union.

Yes indeed. Lots of union generals were slaveowners during the war. And yet schoolbooks tell students the Union was fighting to free the slaves!!!

Nonsense about the school books, buddy. Most say the South started the war to keep slaves, and slavery was ended because of the South's stupidity.

The South viewed Lincoln's Election as a threat to the sovereignty of State's Rights, which inculuded Slavery.

Slavery was the primary issue, but it began as State's Rights.

 

[bripat9643]

The North didn't go to war to free the slaves- the South started the war to protect their 'right' to own human property.

How did the south start the war? They just walked away and then the north said - you can't do that.

How did the South start the war?

They fired on American troops.

Polish troops fired on German tanks. Did Poland start WW II?

You continually decline to answer that question.

 

[bripat9643]

Most of the Union Generals owned Slaves and were very racist.

General Sherman was very unapologitic about he views on race. For him the Civil War was about ending the South as a Nation State. Lincoln was more than willing to keep Slavery if doing so would have preserved the Union.

Yes indeed. Lots of union generals were slaveowners during the war. And yet schoolbooks tell students the Union was fighting to free the slaves!!!

Nonsense about the school books, buddy. Most say the South started the war to keep slaves, and slavery was ended because of the South's stupidity.

The South viewed Lincoln's Election as a threat to the sovereignty of State's Rights, which inculuded Slavery.

Slavery was the primary issue, but it began as State's Rights.

It doesn't matter why the South seceded. Lincoln started the war by invading Virginia.

 

[ShootSpeeders]

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The South viewed Lincoln's Election as a threat to the sovereignty of State's Rights, which inculuded Slavery.

Slavery was the primary issue, but it began as State's Rights.

The board has explained this a thousand times and you still don't get it. The union had 4 slave states of their own - ky md mo & de. 400,000 slaves in those 4 states. How can slavery be the issue when both sides are practicing it??

 

[ShootSpeeders]

How did the South start the war?

They fired on American troops.

Troops that were trespassing in a foreign country and refused to leave. That's what started it. THINK