Zone1 did Jesus ever mention homosexuality?

[onefour1]

Yea. No quote. Try again. Just a wall of text hoping I’ll lose focus by the end.

Here is how you show a quote. Jesus thought it was important to honor your parents:

“Honor your father and your mother," Matthew 15:4 and Matthew 19:17

See? It’s easy.

Jesus, being the God of the Old Testament, spoke to Moses and said:

Leviticus 20:1, 13
1 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,
13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Yes it is easy and if you had read all my posts you should understand that I did post these verse and post #37 shows that Jesus is the God of the Old Testament. In Post #100 I gave you these verses.

 

[Zebra]

Jesus as God of the OT is a trickery ....

onefour1

 

[Zebra]

Yea. No quote. Try again. Just a wall of text hoping I’ll lose focus by the end.

Here is how you show a quote. Jesus thought it was important to honor your parents:

“Honor your father and your mother," Matthew 15:4 and Matthew 19:17

See? It’s easy.

yes, a wall of text

 

[norwegen]

Paul called the Law the ministry of death, coming to an end and being supplanted by the ministry of righteousness (2 Cor 3:6-11). He told the Roman Christians that they were set free from the Law, that God's law need not be codified.

Jesus said the same thing, essentially, that the Law would last only until the collapse of Judaism and its temple. To both him and Paul, the law was to love God and love others. That's the Christian law, the law of the spirit.

Jesus brought that law, fulfilling the law of condemnation. Paul called him the culmination of that law (Rom 20:4). That is, the end of that law.

That anyone should be put to death for homosexuality was codified in the law of condemnation, not in the law of the spirit. Homosexuality was of little or no concern to Jesus.

 

[norwegen]

The Law was in effect till Jesus died on the Cross. He fulfilled all the requirements of the Law.

So the Law is no longer in effect? You're right about that.

Except that it was in effect untill the temple fell. Jews were still attending temple and abiding the Law until AD 70.

 

[Quantrill]

So the Law is no longer in effect? You're right about that.

Except that it was in effect untill the temple fell. Jews were still attending temple and abiding the Law until AD 70.

The Jews don't get to determine when the Law goes in or out of effect. Only God does. The Jews who continued to follow the Mosaic Law were not pleasing to God as He removed it when Christ died on the Cross and fulfilled it. Did those Jews attending the temple repair that torn veil which was ripped in half? If so, all they did was repair what God had done.

This was the main reason Paul wrote the Book of (Hebrews).

I realize the Jews, both the believing and non-believing had a hard time no longer participating in the Mosiac Law and it's many laws, feasts, etc. But, they as a nation, as the earthly people of God, turned away from God and killed His Son. And He now turned away from them. Thus that judgement of 70 A.D. also removed the Temple which was now a stumbling block to what God was doing.

Quantrill

 

[norwegen]

The Jews don't get to determine when the Law goes in or out of effect. Only God does. The Jews who continued to follow the Mosaic Law were not pleasing to God as He removed it when Christ died on the Cross and fulfilled it. Did those Jews attending the temple repair that torn veil which was ripped in half? If so, all they did was repair what God had done.

This was the main reason Paul wrote the Book of (Hebrews).

I realize the Jews, both the believing and non-believing had a hard time no longer participating in the Mosiac Law and it's many laws, feasts, etc. But, they as a nation, as the earthly people of God, turned away from God and killed His Son. And He now turned away from them. Thus that judgement of 70 A.D. also removed the Temple which was now a stumbling block to what God was doing.

Quantrill

On the contrary, the Law wasn't removed when Jesus died. It was in full effect until the destruction of the temple, as Jesus said it would be.

Jews continued practicing their law until their temple fell. That's just a fact of history.

 

[Quantrill]

On the contrary, the Law wasn't removed when Jesus died. It was in full effect until the destruction of the temple, as Jesus said it would be.

Jews continued practicing their law until their temple fell. That's just a fact of history.

You're not listening. The Jews have no power to institute or remove the Law of God. Only God does.

Listen to God long before Jesus arrived. (Amos 5:21) "I hate, I despise your feast days, and I will not smell in your solemn assemblies. Though you offer me burn-offering and your meat offerings, I will not except them: neither will I regard the peace-offerings of your fat beasts."

It didn't matter if the Jews continued practicing the Law, if God rejected her offerings to Him, she is rejected.

The Law had been long removed by the time the Temple fell in 70 A.D.

Quantrill

 

[Zebra]

Paul called the Law the ministry of death, coming to an end and being supplanted by the ministry of righteousness (2 Cor 3:6-11). He told the Roman Christians that they were set free from the Law, that God's law need not be codified.

Jesus said the same thing, essentially, that the Law would last only until the collapse of Judaism and its temple. To both him and Paul, the law was to love God and love others. That's the Christian law, the law of the spirit.

Jesus brought that law, fulfilling the law of condemnation. Paul called him the culmination of that law (Rom 20:4). That is, the end of that law.

That anyone should be put to death for homosexuality was codified in the law of condemnation, not in the law of the spirit. Homosexuality was of little or no concern to Jesus.

he never mentioned it, as i said

 

[playtime]

Again, (Matt. 5:17-19), Jesus supported every jot and title of the law. And the law demanded the death of the homosexuals.

Quantrill

& demand that the act of incest & the allowing of abortion, whether wanted or forced also be the law?

& ummmm how'z about prostitution? you do know that is defiling oneself - according to the OT ... no doubt that was one of the bozo nonos that the fire & brimstone zealot frowned upon ~ sooooooooooo............. what about mary magdeline? she shoulda be smote? smited? smitten? long b4 she turned over a new leaf. after all ~ JC coulda either ratted her out to daddy, or flick his wrist & poof

all dead.

 

[playtime]

"For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they shall be one flesh"

& in donny's hetero marriage, that means gain & again & again. not to mention cleave onto at least one porn star & playboy bunny....

but hey! let's not condemn defiling that marriage bed as long as it's a straight bed & not some homogay one.

amiright?

 

[playtime]

 

[Zebra]

Where's the verse??? Were you lying about your Paul quote? See post #37 for proof that Jesus was the God of the Old Testament who spoke and appeared before the ancient prophets and gave them the law regarding homosexuality. Sorry, NO JOKE!!!

you make Jesus appear on Mount Sinai?

 

[norwegen]

he never mentioned it, as i said

No, he doesn't.

And I meant to say Romans 10:4, not Romans 20:4.

 

[Alter2Ego]

i dont think so

if so, where?

Jesus condemned sexual immorality, which covers all forms of immoral sexual activity, including homosexuality.

Matthew 19: 8-9 -- Berean Standard Bible
"{8} Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because of your hardness of heart. But it was not this way from the beginning. {9} Now I tell you that whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”


The Bible condemns homosexuality as immoral behavior for which unrepentant homosexuals will be destroyed. Such persons are considered to be unrighteous by Jehovah God.

1 Corinthians 6:9​

Or do you not know that unrighteous people will not inherit God’s Kingdom? Do not be misled. Those who are sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, men who submit to homosexual acts, men who practice homosexuality,

1 Corinthians 6:10​

thieves, greedy people, drunkards, revilers, and extortioners will not inherit God’s Kingdom.

 

[onefour1]

you make Jesus appear on Mount Sinai?

Yes, it was Jesus who appeared to Moses on Mount Sinai!!!

Exodus 33:11
11 And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle.

Here we read that the God of the Old Testament spoke face to face with Moses.

But when we read John 1:18 we learn that no man had ever seen God the Father up until the time John the Apostle wrote his gospel:

John 1:18
18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Was John a liar? Or who was it that appeared to Moses upon Mount Sinai and also spoke to Moses face to face as a man speaketh to his friend??? What you fail to realize is that Jesus was also God before the foundation of this earth and it was he who appeared before Moses and gave him the law of Moses.

John 1:1-3,14
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Jesus, himself, claimed to be the Great I AM when the Jews asked him, "hast thou seen Abraham?"

John 8:56-59
56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I Am.
59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

So, if no man had ever yet seen God the Father, then who was it that was called God and also appeared before Moses and spoke to him face to face as man speaketh with his friend? If no man had seen God the Father at anytime up until John had written his gospel, then who was it that appeared to Moses? Who was it that appeared to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob?

Exodus 6:3
3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name Jehovah was I not known to them.

Yes, God the Father appointed Jesus, who also was a member of the godhead, to create the earth, to represent the godhead in the Old Testament, and appear to all the prophets of the Old Testament as God Almighty, Jehovah, and the Great I AM. It was he who later was born of Mary and was the Savior of all mankind:

Isaiah 43:11
I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.

Isaiah 45:21
Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the Lord? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.

Hosea 13:4
Yet I am the Lord thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me.

 

[Cougarbear]

He never talked Homosexuality at all. Just like he NEVER talked about abortion. He did not believe in divorce though.

He most likely did but it was something no one wrote down or lost. He did say go and sin no more. I bet he said something in the house of ill-repute. Got the gays all upset and as usual, they got violent as they do today.

 

[Quantrill]

& demand that the act of incest & the allowing of abortion, whether wanted or forced also be the law?

& ummmm how'z about prostitution? you do know that is defiling oneself - according to the OT ... no doubt that was one of the bozo nonos that the fire & brimstone zealot frowned upon ~ sooooooooooo............. what about mary magdeline? she shoulda be smote? smited? smitten? long b4 she turned over a new leaf. after all ~ JC coulda either ratted her out to daddy, or flick his wrist & poof

all dead.

Do you know any Scripture? Or do you just talk off the top of your head or out your....backside? I think the latter.

First of all, give the Scriptures about prostitution that should be addressed, and show Mary Magdelene was a prostitute.

What about Mary Magdelene? Why ask me? Don't you know? You act you do. So why don't you show me in the Scriptures? You don't know, but you like to talk.

Go to your daddy for help, if you think he can. Can he? I doubt it. He is probably as big a fool as you. But, please, prove me wrong.

Mary Magdelene was taken by the Scribes and Pharisees and accused of adultery. (John 8:3) They took her to Jesus and accused her of adultery for which the Law said she should be stoned. (John 8:4-5) So what say you...Jesus?

And what did Jesus do? Oh my...they thought they had him caught in a trap. (John 8:6) The perfect example...so they thought. Just like you are thinking.

Jesus bent down and began writing on the ground ignoring them. (John 8:7) Then he rose up and said "He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her." And then bent down again and wrote on the ground.

Note (John 8:9). "And they which heard it..." Heard what? Heard what Jesus wrote on the ground. And they which heard what was wrote on the ground were convicted by their conscience. Convicted of what? Their sin, naturally. Which probably was the same sin they accused Mary Magdelene of doing. Whatever Jesus wrote on the ground revealed that He knew their sin. And one by one they lost their way into the crowd. Till there was no one left.

So when Jesus stood up, there was none there to accuse her. He asked her, where are your accusers? She said there are none. (John 8:10) To which Jesus replied, "Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more."

Jesus not only was gracious to Mary, but He was true to the Mosaic Law. (Deut. 17:6) "At the mouth of two witnesses or three witnesses, shall he that is worthy of death be put to death; but at the mouth of one witness he shall not be put to death."

(Deut. 17:7) "The hands of the witnesses shall be first upon him to put him to death..."

My, my...not only was there not just two witness, now there were no witnesses. Thus the Mosaic Law could not condemn Mary either. Thus Christ upheld the Law.

So, playtime, run to your daddy for help, because you don't know what you're talking about. Tell me who your daddy is and maybe he can prove your case....but as I said, I doubt it.

Quantrill

 

[Zebra]

Some here seem to enjoy the idea that Jesus demanded that homosexuals should be killed.

 

[Zebra]

Yes, it was Jesus who appeared to Moses on Mount Sinai!!!

Exodus 33:11
11 And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle.

Here we read that the God of the Old Testament spoke face to face with Moses.

But when we read John 1:18 we learn that no man had ever seen God the Father up until the time John the Apostle wrote his gospel:

John 1:18
18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Was John a liar? Or who was it that appeared to Moses upon Mount Sinai and also spoke to Moses face to face as a man speaketh to his friend??? What you fail to realize is that Jesus was also God before the foundation of this earth and it was he who appeared before Moses and gave him the law of Moses.

John 1:1-3,14
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Jesus, himself, claimed to be the Great I AM when the Jews asked him, "hast thou seen Abraham?"

John 8:56-59
56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I Am.
59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

So, if no man had ever yet seen God the Father, then who was it that was called God and also appeared before Moses and spoke to him face to face as man speaketh with his friend? If no man had seen God the Father at anytime up until John had written his gospel, then who was it that appeared to Moses? Who was it that appeared to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob?

Exodus 6:3
3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name Jehovah was I not known to them.

Yes, God the Father appointed Jesus, who also was a member of the godhead, to create the earth, to represent the godhead in the Old Testament, and appear to all the prophets of the Old Testament as God Almighty, Jehovah, and the Great I AM. It was he who later was born of Mary and was the Savior of all mankind:

Isaiah 43:11
I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.

Isaiah 45:21
Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the Lord? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.

Hosea 13:4
Yet I am the Lord thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me.

that is your own gospel idea