Zone1 Did Jesus establish a Church or not? Poll

[forkintheroad7]

Did Jesus establish a Church or not?

I struggled for years thinking I'd never find the answer to this question... sinning along the way, of course.

I needed Jesus's Church and because I didn't have it... my life became a mess.

So everyone needs to find His Church and join it

 

[Rambunctious]

Jesus was Jewish... after he died the Christian church was born...

 

[lg325]

He placed it in Peters hands. If I am not mistaken.

 

[onefour1]

In the first century he did establish his church with apostles and prophets, etc. But due to apostasy and persecution the church went away into the wilderness until 1830 when The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was restored as Jesus Christ's true church upon the face of the earth.

 

[BreezeWood]

the 1st century events are the repudiation of judaism - false commandments, hereditary idolatry, religion of apartheid et al culminating rather in the heavenly exemplars crucifixion to prevent the original religion of antiquity from again taking hold.

their message to sin no more is all the church anyone needs - than 10000 page desert bibles.

 

[Cougarbear]

Did Jesus establish a Church or not?

I struggled for years thinking I'd never find the answer to this question... sinning along the way, of course.

I needed Jesus's Church and because I didn't have it... my life became a mess.

So everyone needs to find His Church and join it

Find "His" Church and find it? You mean one that fits the individual instead of the individual fitting into Jesus Christ's Church? Of course he founded His Church while he was alive. He organized it into leaders like Apostles and Prophets, Evangelists, Teachers, Preachers and so on. He also organized the 70 also. Another Priesthood Quorum. How else would they go to the four corners of the earth baptizing everyone?

 

[alang1216]

Did Jesus establish a Church or not?

I struggled for years thinking I'd never find the answer to this question... sinning along the way, of course.

I needed Jesus's Church and because I didn't have it... my life became a mess.

So everyone needs to find His Church and join it

Paul did it.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Did Jesus establish a Church or not?

Yes he did, but you can't accept the biblical definition of the church

 

[my2¢]

In the Christian Church sermons I follow, the birth of the church is celebrated on Pentecost.

The following is from Pentecost, the Birth of the Church.

Pentecost, celebrated 50 days after Easter Sunday, commemorates the descent of the Holy Spirit upon the apostles and other followers of Jesus Christ while they were in Jerusalem for the Feast of Weeks, as described in the Acts of the Apostles (Acts 2:1–31). This event marks the fulfillment of Jesus' promise to send the Holy Spirit to guide, empower, and advocate for His disciples, leading to the birth of the Christian Church.

Pentecost is often referred to as the birthday of the Church. It signifies the transition from the ministry of Jesus to the era of the Church, where the Holy Spirit empowers believers to continue Christ's work on Earth. The event underscores the importance of the Holy Spirit in the life of the Church and its members, providing gifts that enable them to proclaim the Gospel, live out their faith in community, and serve others in love.

 

[Muhammed]

Did Jesus establish a Church or not?

I struggled for years thinking I'd never find the answer to this question... sinning along the way, of course.

I needed Jesus's Church and because I didn't have it... my life became a mess.

So everyone needs to find His Church and join it

He did. Today it's known as the Greek Orthodox church and the Ethiopian Orthodox.

 

[Zebra]

He placed it in Peters hands. If I am not mistaken.

so I think

and that was the beginning of the Catholic Church

 

[Hafar1014]

The church created Jesus 80 years after he died. They needed an idol

 

[Carl in Michigan]

so I think

and that was the beginning of the Catholic Church

The Church began a Pentecost with the giving of the Holy Spirit.
The Church is a SPIRITUAL ORGANISM, not a PHYSICAL ORGANIZATION

 

[Zebra]

The church created Jesus 80 years after he died. They needed an idol

Idol?

 

[The Irish Ram]

He placed it in Peters hands. If I am not mistaken.

And Peter delivered. Peter's church was in Jerusalem. He preached there for 15 years before his arrest.

 

[The Irish Ram]

so I think

and that was the beginning of the Catholic Church

No. The Catholic Church began hundreds of years after Christ's death. Peter started Christ's church, in Jerusalem, where 3,000 were saved that day on Pentecost.

Acts 2:41 Those who believed what Peter said were baptized and added to the church that day—about 3,000 in all.

Acts 4:4 But many who heard the message believed, and the number of men grew to about five thousand.

Peter stayed in Jerusalem and preached there for 15 years.

 

[Zebra]

The name Catholic came later

 

[The Irish Ram]

so I think

and that was the beginning of the Catholic Church

None of the pomp and circumstance of the Catholic Church was there when Peter spoke to the crowd and thousands were saved. No Pope, no nuns, no indulgences, no Catholic anything was urged. Peter never proclaimed himself the first Pope of the Catholic Church, because there was no such thing. Peter's church consisted of men and women who had just witnessed Christ's return to the very place that He was killed, and stayed for 40 days, in Jerusalem. It is why they were so steadfast in their beliefs:

1 Corinth. 15:6 and that He was seen by over five hundred brethren at once, of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some have fallen asleep.

Peter was long dead before the Catholic Church was established. Prior to that, Christians were persecuted and murdered en masse. Constantine cleared the way for a church to be formed in Rome.

While Paul's churches are recognized by Jesus in Revelation, the Catholic Church doesn't even get honorable mention, because it did not exist. If it was the church that Christ started, then He would surely take up His 1,000-year reign from His church, the Vatican. But He does not. He resides in the same city that Peter actually did start the Lord's church in, and He stays there. Eventually, Heaven itself will descend to earth. It will do so in the holy city of Jerusalem, not Rome.

I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, coming down from Heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying: “Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man, and He will dwell with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them as their God.

To the Jew first, then the Gentile...

 

[Zebra]

Jesus spoke to Peter: You are the rock, and on this rock I will build my church!

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Paul did it.

Hid His Megalomania by Taking the Latin Name for "Small"

Paul, as Saul, couldn't get anywhere in the Hebrew hierarchy, so he took over this new group with the goal of becoming a rich and powerful Pope. He abandoned circumcision and kosher regulations in order to get rid of the cult's Jewish aspects and appeal to the Greeks and Romans.

Like Karl Marx, just because he failed to become an absolute ruler doesn't mean he never had that as his only goal in life.