Did Donald Give Away A National Security Secret?

[1srelluc]

Trump didn't say that. He said that they could even probably (don't recall his EXACT words) read the name off someone's uniform.

Last I checked, such lettering was around an inch tall with varying width lettering. That's a far cry from reading a newspaper, but a good step up from resolving objects the size of a football or a baseball, which I've felt for many years they could already do.

Yeah, I should have said "newspaper headline" which is the faux standard for "orbital reading".

 

[toobfreak]

The point is, it is no national secret that we can watch Iran's nuclear sites from space.
Trump gave away no secrets. And you know how I feel about Trump.

Again, no one ever said it was a secret we could watch them from space, we've had that ability for ages. Just seeing trucks moving around and clouds of dust stirred up at Fordrow is enough for that. But if true what Trump said, it would be a very revealing secret that we might resolve fine enough to see details on an individual such as emblems and insignias.

 

[toobfreak]

Yeah, I should have said "newspaper headline" which is the faux standard for "orbital reading".

Well, no one is going to read a paper (or uniform) from space anyway unless they lay it flat on the ground facing upward, still, if we really can resolve detail fine enough to make out large print, that is about 4-6X finer detail than I would have believed, and represents a quantum revolution in imaging technology IMO.

 

[1srelluc]

Well, no one is going to read a paper (or uniform) from space anyway unless they lay it flat on the ground facing upward, still, if we really can resolve detail fine enough to make out large print, that is about 4-6X finer detail than I would have believed, and represents a quantum revolution in imaging technology IMO.

Who gives a shit? You were just trying to pin something on Trump and failed miserably.

You can bugger-off now.

 

[g5000]

Well, no one is going to read a paper (or uniform) from space anyway unless they lay it flat on the ground facing upward, still, if we really can resolve detail fine enough to make out large print, that is about 4-6X finer detail than I would have believed, and represents a quantum revolution in imaging technology IMO.

Trump is an ignorant moron. He makes shit up.

For example, here is what he said about our stealth planes:

"I said, 'Yeah but in a fight, you know, like a fight I watch on the movies. Fight, they're fighting. How good is it?' Say, well, it wins every time because the enemy cannot see it. Even if it's right next to it, it can't see it."


Now, is the retard giving away state secrets by saying our stealth planes are invisible even if the enemy is standing right next to them? Or is he just a fricking moron?

Same thing with his claim about reading nametags from space. The lenses on our satellites would have to be the size of Trump's precious Washington DC reflecting pool. Throw in the speed our satellites move and atmospheric distortion and you are now in Occam's Razor territory which dictates the simplest explanation is Trump is an uninformed, bloviating dipshit.

 

[Lockback]

Trump is an ignorant moron. He makes shit up.

Wrong.
You have that confused with Trump's critics.

 

[g5000]

Wrong.
You have that confused with Trump's critics.

So you are saying our stealth aircraft are invisible if you are standing right next to them, and Trump isn't ignorant and doesn't make shit up.

Wow.

Looks like you are as stupid as Trump.

Oh, wait. I already knew that.

 

[g5000]

From the Trump-isn't-ignorant-and-doesn't-make-shit-up archives:

"If you have a windmill anywhere near your house, congratulations, your house just went down 75% in value. And they say the noise causes cancer. You tell me that one. Okay."

“We’re gonna get the drug prices down — not 30 or 40 percent, which would be great. Not 50 or 60, no. We’re gonna get them down 1,000 percent, 600 percent, 500 percent, 1,500 percent. Numbers that are not even thought to be achievable.”

Trump speaking to the Prime Minister of India: "It's not like you've got China on your border."

“When you test, you have a case. When you test, you find something is wrong with people. If we didn’t do any testing, we would have very few cases.”

"Think of it, magnets. Now all I know about magnets is this, give me a glass of water, let me drop it on the magnets, that's the end of the magnets."

 

[Lockback]

So you are saying our stealth aircraft are invisible if you are standing right next to them, and Trump isn't ignorant and doesn't make shit up.

Wow.

Looks like you are as stupid as Trump.

Oh, wait. I already knew that.

You're just another leftist idiot who repeats everything the mainstream media reports without nuance, without humor, without context, over and over and over and over again.
Trump knows that stealth aircraft aren't technically invisible.


Unless you're trying to look for them with your radar in the middle of the night.

 

[Lockback]

From the Trump-isn't-ignorant-and-doesn't-make-shit-up archives:

"If you have a windmill anywhere near your house, congratulations, your house just went down 75% in value. And they say the noise causes cancer. You tell me that one. Okay."

“We’re gonna get the drug prices down — not 30 or 40 percent, which would be great. Not 50 or 60, no. We’re gonna get them down 1,000 percent, 600 percent, 500 percent, 1,500 percent. Numbers that are not even thought to be achievable.”

Trump speaking to the Prime Minister of India: "It's not like you've got China on your border."

“When you test, you have a case. When you test, you find something is wrong with people. If we didn’t do any testing, we would have very few cases.”

"Think of it, magnets. Now all I know about magnets is this, give me a glass of water, let me drop it on the magnets, that's the end of the magnets."

 

[g5000]

You're just another leftist idiot who repeats everything the mainstream media reports without nuance, without humor, without context, over and over and over and over again.
Trump knows that stealth aircraft aren't technically invisible.


Unless you're trying to look for them with your radar in the middle of the night.

No, he does not know that. His long record of massively stupid remarks demonstrate just how deeply uninformed he is.

 

[Lockback]

No, he does not know that. His long record of massively stupid remarks demonstrate just how deeply uninformed he is.

You're the one with the long record of massively stupid remarks.

 

[g5000]

To makes myself clear again, I am defending Trump against the claim he gave away a national security secret.

He's just an idiot. That's all.

Occam's Razor.

 

[g5000]

This is exactly what Trump and your MAGA propagandists depend on.

They depend on you cultists being the most submissive cucks in American history.

"I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters, OK?"

Trump was making a statement of fact. He has that much contempt for you.

 

[Lockback]

This is exactly what Trump and your MAGA propagandists depend on.

They depend on you cultists being the most submissive cucks in American history.

Here's some reading material for you, commie boy.

 

[Edgetho]

Heads up mods: this post is based on something Trump said in France today at the G7 conference talking about the Iran deal and other stuff before leaving. I do not have a linked article nor video clip of it.

Let me preface all of this by saying that as a polymath, I have several areas of interest including electronics, optics, music and religion to name a few. I've spent quite a number of years studying optics and image processing science. That said:

Trump today was going on about the Fordrow nuclear site and the buried uranium there. He was commenting that it will be hard to dig it out but ITMT, while we get around to it, that our Space Force (which Trump created) will be watching from orbit.

This is where Trump may have made a faux pas in inadvertently exposing a national secret:

In optics, there are relationships between aperture and resolution. There is both linear and angular resolution. General, the more resolution you want, the more aperture you need. But there are also modern computerized image processing techniques to artificially enhance resolution. For instance, we commonly deploy radio telescopes on opposite sides of the Earth both looking at the same object, then we synthesize an artificial aperture where the synthetic aperture is equal to their distance in separation effectively making a radio telescope with a synthetic aperture as big as the Earth.

While talking to the press, Trump let it slip that if anyone goes in there from Iran fooling around trying to dig out that uranium themselves, that we will see it. More than that, Trump went on to explain HOW WELL we can see them. He probably should not be talking about that. A very tightly regarded secret is HOW SMALL of a detail we can resolve on the ground from orbit. 10-15 years ago, I was certain that we could probably resolve a pack of cigarettes and identify individuals.

You see, the technology is out there now perhaps using some variant of enhanced adaptive speckling interferometry to resolve much smaller. Trump basically said that if we want to, we could read the name tags on their uniforms. Dear Donald: I don't know if you were just speaking off the cuff figuratively, or literally, but best not give our enemies any idea of our true capability, even in jest.

If we can indeed resolve that fine a detail from orbit (I have been able to identify a brand of cigarettes from a mile away and see detail in the scabs of rust on the head of a bolt on a street sign from a mile away (where the air is most turbulent from heat, etc.) with my own gear, and my father did aerial reconnaissance from aircraft during WWII, if you just gave away a tightly guarded secret, I can just imagine the people back in Washington pulling their hair out.

How can a President give away a National Security 'secret'?

Stupid question.

An Ex-President? Sure. A presidential candidate, absolutely. Any other member of the Executive, Legislative, Judicial Branch or any member ot the Armed Forces? Of course.

The President? Nope. Not even a stoopid one like Sponge Brains Shits Pants or the LCIC.

The President can declassify anything he wants any time he wants on a whim. He is the final authority. Period.

To even ask such a question shows incredible ignorance.

 

[toobfreak]

Who gives a shit?

Our enemies?

You were just trying to pin something on Trump and failed miserably.

I merely asked a question you stupid jackass. I failed nor succeeded at nothing. Why don't you play back the video from Trump's farewell presser in France then tell me I'm not correct in wondering if Trump meant it literally or said anything too revealing?

"Pin something on Trump?" You're cracked in the head, no wonder all you do with your life is play with guns.

 

[meaner gene]

I think the President has a better idea of what is a state secret than some freak on the Internet.
Just an observation

Trump posted top secret pictures we had of a north korean missile test, the location of our ballistic submarines, and other classified information.
Trump loves to brag about what the US can do. Even if it's classified above top secret.

 

[Tyrion234]

That was the usual Trump running his mouth about a subject he basically knows nothing about. He thinks he's the smartest guy in the room but in reality he's a first class moron. A legend in his own mind.

If he had any knowledge about that subject he wouldn't have mentioned it in the first place, because our enemies for sure are watching & listening.

"Lookie what we can do!" We have a man- boy with the nuke codes.

Welcome to my growing list of ignore

 

[toobfreak]

How can a President give away a National Security 'secret'? Stupid question.
The President can declassify anything he wants any time he wants on a whim. He is the final authority. Period.
To even ask such a question shows incredible ignorance.

So then, what was the point of the FBI raiding his house for documents when any documents he took by your own admission had already been declassified upon his authority?

Now whose the idiot? Guess your ample brain just didn't think that far ahead.

And I guess you also never considered that a president doesn't need to declassify anything. Presidents are human and people make mistakes. Odd though that no one here is even attempting to do the math I offered, comment on the links, or offer some informed view on the possibility of resolving that fine a detail from orbit?

At least the Admiral pretends to be a military expert who knows more than the CIA!

I've learned that hostility towards questions usually indicates either guilt or ignorance. All I did here was point out a remark Trump made and ask whether it was a slip of the tongue? Or was he just speaking figuratively?

Obviously, you have no idea, so are trying to deflect from that to attacking me.