Desperate liberals still trying to pretend waterboarding and sleep deprivation is "torture"

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I see there's been a resurgence of the old, tired lie by the usual leftist fanatics, that the waterboarding and sleep deprivation our interrogators used on terrorist prisoners, was "torture".

Apparently enough time has gone by since this fib was refuted, that the liberals think they can start reciting it again as though it were true, without people remembering.

So, once again: Torture causes pain, damage, disfigurement, and even death. Some countries put people on racks and stretch their joints until they tear apart, Others put red-hot irons to people's arms, faces, or feet. Still others cut off fingers or toes one at a time.

Waterboarding, OTOH, is just putting someone flat on a board and pouring water into his mouth and nose. It's uncomfortable and even painful and can create fear of drowning. But no one drowns, and as soon as the water stops and the guy coughs it out of his mouth and nose, he's fine again within minutes.

Paying your taxes is painful, too, and can create fear of drowning (in debt) without end. And unlike waterboarding, it goes on forever, and comes back year after year. And paying taxes can cause as much sleep deprivation as our interrogators ever did, again continuing for months instead of a few days. I'd wager that a lot of American would prefer waterboarding on April 15 over paying taxes, if they could save the one-quarter of their pay that government takes in income taxes, excises, sales taxes etc. that keep nibbling away at everything they own without end.

"Waterboarding is torture" only to people who have never thought much about what torture really is... or even what waterboarding is.
 
I see there's been a resurgence of the old, tired lie by the usual leftist fanatics, that the waterboarding and sleep deprivation our interrogators used on terrorist prisoners, was "torture".

Apparently enough time has gone by since this fib was refuted, that the liberals think they can start reciting it again as though it were true, without people remembering.

So, once again: Torture causes pain, damage, disfigurement, and even death. Some countries put people on racks and stretch their joints until they tear apart, Others put red-hot irons to people's arms, faces, or feet. Still others cut off fingers or toes one at a time.

Waterboarding, OTOH, is just putting someone flat on a board and pouring water into his mouth and nose. It's uncomfortable and even painful and can create fear of drowning. But no one drowns, and as soon as the water stops and the guy coughs it out of his mouth and nose, he's fine again within minutes.

Paying your taxes is painful, too, and can create fear of drowning (in debt) without end. And unlike waterboarding, it goes on forever, and comes back year after year. And paying taxes can cause as much sleep deprivation as our interrogators ever did, again continuing for months instead of a few days. I'd wager that a lot of American would prefer waterboarding on April 15 over paying taxes, if they could save the one-quarter of their pay that government takes in income taxes, excises, sales taxes etc. that keep nibbling away at everything they own without end.

"Waterboarding is torture" only to people who have never thought much about what torture really is... or even what waterboarding is.

No, wrong as usual. Water boarding is a war crime. That's why Japanese officers were hanged for doing exactly that.
 
History supports McCain s stance on waterboarding PolitiFact

" ... following World War II war crime trials were convened. The Japanese were tried and convicted and hung for war crimes committed against American POWs. Among those charges for which they were convicted was waterboarding."
— John McCain on Thursday, November 29th, 2007 in a campaign event in St. Petersburg
 
Hmm, how about chaining a half naked man to a cold concrete slab long enough for him to die of hypothermia?
 
These kinds of things have been elastic through our history. The exigencies of the situation dictate policy, and policy changes back when the crisis is thought to be over.(Probably the way it ought to be) A Democrat rounded up American citizens of Japanese descent and put them in jail without due process during WWII, and only when the War was over, did they notice that it wasn't right.

The real problem here is that the War with Lunatic Islam is just getting started.
 
These kinds of things have been elastic through our history. The exigencies of the situation dictate policy, and policy changes back when the crisis is thought to be over.(Probably the way it ought to be) A Democrat rounded up American citizens of Japanese descent and put them in jail without due process during WWII, and only when the War was over, did they notice that it wasn't right.

The real problem here is that the War with Lunatic Islam is just getting started.
And they were compensated for it too.
 
These kinds of things have been elastic through our history. The exigencies of the situation dictate policy, and policy changes back when the crisis is thought to be over.(Probably the way it ought to be) A Democrat rounded up American citizens of Japanese descent and put them in jail without due process during WWII, and only when the War was over, did they notice that it wasn't right.

The real problem here is that the War with Lunatic Islam is just getting started.
Let's run with that for a post or two. If they are loons, and I think that anyone who believes they know the Will of God is a loon, and you drop to their level in an attempt to win, what does that make you?
 
If they did any of this stuff to any of these torture deniers they would sell-out their mommas to make it stop.
 
Hmm, how about chaining a half naked man to a cold concrete slab long enough for him to die of hypothermia?

Who cares.

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Waterboarding IS torture. We showed it was back in WWII when we tried and hung Japanese soldiers for doing the same thing the CIA did.

Sleep depravation is also torture. After staying up for more than 48 hours straight, people can start to hallucinate. Go much over 96 hours of sleep deprivation and there is a serious chance of dying.

Sleep deprivation - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
 
Hmm, how about chaining a half naked man to a cold concrete slab long enough for him to die of hypothermia?

Who cares.

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You really should. I know you relish the idea of doing horrible things to these people but if we are going to surrender the moral high ground in the war on terror we should at least get some quality, reliable intelligence out of it.
 
Waterboarding and sleep depravation are torture.

Repeating that they're not, over and over, doesn't make it true.
 
Waterboarding IS torture.

Hey, you guys didn't seem to mind that fact when such tactics gleaned the intelligence necessary to kill OBL. So why now is it all of a sudden "torture"?

"Such tactics" had nothing to do with the intel to find OBL, and even if they had, it would still be wrong.
 
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Waterboarding and sleep depravation are torture.

Repeating that they're not, over and over, doesn't make it true.

Saying "Waterboarding and sleep deprivation are torture" over and over doesn't make it true. Those men were terrorists. They gave not a second thought to the lives they took. They didn't consider the most humane way possibly hurt or kill their victims, they just did it. They deserved whatever they got.
 
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Waterboarding and sleep depravation are torture.

Repeating that they're not, over and over, doesn't make it true.

Saying "Waterboarding and sleep deprivation are torture" over and over doesn't make it true. Those men were terrorists. They gave not a second thought to the lives they took. They didn't consider the most humane way possible hurt or kill their victims, they just did it. They deserved whatever they got.

What about the people who were tortured that weren't "terrorists"?

Evil actions don't justify evil actions in return.
 
Waterboarding and sleep depravation are torture.

Repeating that they're not, over and over, doesn't make it true.

Saying "Waterboarding and sleep deprivation are torture" over and over doesn't make it true. Those men were terrorists. They gave not a second thought to the lives they took. They didn't consider the most humane way possible hurt or kill their victims, they just did it. They deserved whatever they got.
No one denies they are monsters but there is no need for America to be monstrous to fight them. We have the strength and power to do this without becoming what we condemn our enemies for.
 
Why is it that we tried and punished the 9 soldiers of Abu Grahib for the things they did to prisoners (saying that it was torture and against the Geneva Conventions), yet the CIA gets a free pass for doing the same and worse?
 

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