Denver and Miami, Most Likely

[multivita-man]

why not? They have at least four good shooters. even better when wide open. DEN is no better at threes?



uh BOS lost a game 7 at home by 20 points or so? when does MIA get credited around here?

True, I just meant that Boston (like Milwaukee) probably had the personnel to match up and beat Miami; they didn't because obviously Miami is deep in talent but I think the difference is their mental makeup, their trust in their coaching and each other.

 

[multivita-man]

Now let's see what Denver does differently in game 3. They have a good coach too. He will make adjustments. Jokic will score 50.

I expect better defense down the stretch from Denver. They cannot leave Miami shooters that open from the perimeter.

Miami has a good bench, and when everyone's making contributions, when the scoring distribution is even, they're very hard to beat.

 

[FranklinRoosevelt_FTW]

When a Cinderella team does what they do, we all expect them to fall apart the next round. But the Heat are still in it. They almost lost the play in tournament for god sakes.

I wouldn’t necessarily call Miami a Cinderella team. Keep in mind that this has been a pretty interesting NBA season with some of the best teams coming out in the seventh or eighth seed. Like say the Golden State Warriors or the Los Angeles Lakers in the NBA west. Just because the team finishes sixth , seventh or eighth in their conference doesn’t make them a big dog.

I think the points can be made now that it would be wrong to expect Miami to just fall apart against Denver, considering how well they played against Milwaukee and Boston. That’s not a Cinderella run that’s not luck to be able to beat those teams at the fashion that they did. It’s luck when you could beat a team like Boston once in the series ….it is far from luck to be able to actually beat Boston and Milwauke In the same playoff run.

Miami is not a favorite against Denver. Make no mistake about it. But this isn’t like some sort of a situation Where it is David versus Goliath. Miami is a proven team with a superb coach and a stellar cast of players.

I could understand if people were saying that the Miami Heat are going to get blown out by Denver if this was the first round. But even then, with players like Jimmy Butler, bam, and a returning Tyler hero , and a guy like Pat Riley in the front office, that’s not giving the Miami Heat the credit they deserve. …. But considering this year and the past three or four years with regards to the history of the Miami Heat, it would make sense to suggest that the Miami Heat can make this a six - seven game series or even win it.

 

[sealybobo]

why not? They have at least four good shooters. even better when wide open. DEN is no better at threes?



uh BOS lost a game 7 at home by 20 points or so? when does MIA get credited around here?

When they win it all.

They've already got credit for beating Bucks, Knicks and Celtics. But did you see the look on Butler's face? He doesn't want credit for anything other than winning a ring.

On TV they have a 1 hour documentary on the 2000 76rs. It's called Everything But a Ring. Iverson and that squad were great. But they fell short to the Kobe Shaq Lakers.

Butler doesn't want that kind of credit.

 

[sealybobo]

Republicans that care about basketball will root for their team, Republicans that don’t care about basketball won’t care. I have not watched any games this playoffs as I really don’t care who wins or loses, just read about it after games, not wanting to take time out of my day to watch it and I’m an independent, I am more likely to watch football but only college or the NFL.

I'm talking about all the guys here who don't have a team in it but who say they don't watch anymore because of BLM and taking a knee. I'm sure they will enjoy watching Jokic win. If he does. Or Herro.

 

[sealybobo]

I wouldn’t necessarily call Miami a Cinderella team. Keep in mind that this has been a pretty interesting NBA season with some of the best teams coming out in the seventh or eighth seed. Like say the Golden State Warriors or the Los Angeles Lakers in the NBA west. Just because the team finishes sixth , seventh or eighth in their conference doesn’t make them a big dog.

I think the points can be made now that it would be wrong to expect Miami to just fall apart against Denver, considering how well they played against Milwaukee and Boston. That’s not a Cinderella run that’s not luck to be able to beat those teams at the fashion that they did. It’s luck when you could beat a team like Boston once in the series ….it is far from luck to be able to actually beat Boston and Milwauke In the same playoff run.

Miami is not a favorite against Denver. Make no mistake about it. But this isn’t like some sort of a situation Where it is David versus Goliath. Miami is a proven team with a superb coach and a stellar cast of players.

I could understand if people were saying that the Miami Heat are going to get blown out by Denver if this was the first round. But even then, with players like Jimmy Butler, bam, and a returning Tyler hero , and a guy like Pat Riley in the front office, that’s not giving the Miami Heat the credit they deserve. …. But considering this year and the past three or four years with regards to the history of the Miami Heat, it would make sense to suggest that the Miami Heat can make this a six - seven game series or even win it.

In 2004 when Detroit made it to the finals and had to play against the Lakers, no one gave them much of a chance. Including me. I think we lost the first game and then swept them after that.

Detroit was a well put together team. LA had more superstars but they didn't play well as a team.

Kobe, Derek Fisher, Rick Fox, Shaq, Horace Grant, Karl Malone, Gary Payton, Bryon Russell & Luke Walton.

 

[Rocko]

Many of you had MIA dead & buried after game 1? As I said at that time, MIA has a shot, now a good chance to win this final. They play pretty good against Jocic too.

Rocko posted MIA would not win a game? Huh? DEN is not the 83 Celtics (Bird Parish Mccale Johnson etc) or LA under Pat Riley. The crowd is so unsure (new to this) they barely know when to cheer?

So Miami won a game…big deal. Denver has the best player in the nba and a deeper squad. Nuggets in 5.

 

[Couchpotato]

So Miami won a game…big deal. Denver has the best player in the nba and a deeper squad. Nuggets in 5.

So did Milwaukee, and Boston.

 

[Rocko]

So did Milwaukee, and Boston.

Denver is a lot better than those teams. Do you want to bet on the outcome of this series?

 

[Couchpotato]

Denver is a lot better than those teams. Do you want to bet on the outcome of this series?

By what metric is Denver better than Milwaukee or Boston?

Miami is clearly the underdog in this series. But they were clearly the underdog in 2 of the 3 series they played to get here as well.

 

[leftwinger]

a.) what happened to the 5280 altitude worries eh? I think Rocko has some rear end pains from the NYKnicks playoff exit?

CouchPotato nailed it prior to game2: Make Jocics a shooter OR a passer....but you can't let him do both. Can't let him go 40pts & 12 assists.

 

[leftwinger]

The REFS let them play Jocic rough in the paint. Many times he would get to the rim and score leaving a pile of MIA bodies scattered about on the floor. But he did not get 10-20 assists. Spolstra again overlooked for his game to game adjustments (not letting him pass it off as easily as game 1).

 

[FranklinRoosevelt_FTW]

So Miami won a game…big deal. Denver has the best player in the nba and a deeper squad. Nuggets in 5.

That’s what some were saying when Miami beat Boston or Milwaukee for the first time during this playoff run …Well Miami ended up beating Boston and Milwaukee in the best of seven and very well could do that to Denver.



Right now Miami has the home advantage. There is a huge difference between going back to Miami tied at 1-1 compared to being down 2-0. It is a big deal that Miami won last night. It’s not a matter of Miami getting lucky and winning one game… obviously there’s a difference between Miami winning game two being tied at 1-1 or say winning game for being down 3- 1.

Look at the early part of the first quarter of game 1 the big man Kevin love was able to help guard the joker it seemed like. At least it seems like bam and Kevin love can combine in a certain way to hold down Denver. So that’s just one tactic that Miami could’ve employed among different tactics…. Earlier in the first quarter Miami held an 11 point lead employing love as a starter for the first time in three games. Now, just imagine Tyler Herro coming back in game 4 and having another bigger guy to help with the joker.



you know what you’re saying is very much debatable…and if you follow the power rankings or the odds makers you know the
favorite to win it all at the beginning of the playoffs was the Boston Celtics followed by Milwaukee.

One of many points to keep in mind here is that Miami’s head coach has much more experience, making deeper runs in the playoffs compared to the head coach of the Denver Nuggets.

 

[leftwinger]

That’s what some were saying when Miami beat Boston or Milwaukee for the first time during this playoff run …Well Miami ended up beating Boston and Milwaukee in the best of seven and very well could do that to Denver.



Right now Miami has the home advantage. There is a huge difference between going back to Miami tied at 1-1 compared to being down 2-0. It is a big deal that Miami won last night. It’s not a matter of Miami getting lucky and winning one game… obviously there’s a difference between Miami winning game two being tied at 1-1 or say winning game for being down 3- 1.

Look at the early part of the first quarter of game 1 the big man Kevin love was able to help guard the joker it seemed like. At least it seems like bam and Kevin love can combine in a certain way to hold down Denver. So that’s just one tactic that Miami could’ve employed among different tactics…. Earlier in the first quarter Miami held an 11 point lead employing love as a starter for the first time in three games. Now, just imagine Tyler Herro coming back in game 4 and having another bigger guy to help with the joker.



you know what you’re saying is very much debatable…and if you follow the power rankings or the odds makers you know the
favorite to win it all at the beginning of the playoffs was the Boston Celtics followed by Milwaukee.

One of many points to keep in mind here is that Miami’s head coach has much more experience, making deeper runs in the playoffs compared to the head coach of the Denver Nuggets.

Good post but I question one point. I thought Tyler Herro was more of a three-point shooting specialist vs a down-low big guy? But 6'5" Herro was a 20pt avg scorer and they miss that. He has not played once? Yet Miami keeps advancing thru.

 

[multivita-man]

So Miami won a game…big deal. Denver has the best player in the nba and a deeper squad. Nuggets in 5.

This is the part I question. Starting 5, I give a slight edge to Denver, mainly because of how they can attack the rim and shoot from outside when they're on top of their game. But Miami can wear teams out with their bench and scoring distribution.

 

[FranklinRoosevelt_FTW]

Good post but I question one point. I thought Tyler Herro was more of a three-point shooting specialist vs a down-low big guy? But 6'5" Herro was a 20pt avg scorer and they miss that. He has not played once? Yet Miami keeps advancing thru.

That is a good point. I was wrong I thought hero was taller. I think it’s because he’s thinner so it makes him look taller. But Kevin love can help match up against the joker at 6 feet 8 inches … it seemed like in that first quarter him and bam we’re doubling the joker or at least trying to block the center lane. Herro has been out for a long time. He has not played once in the playoffs, but is expected back sometime during the series I believe… having him off of the bench could help as he has put up huge numbers in the playoffs previously.

Like I said I’m not a basketball expert, but I do have the Miami Heat at 130 to 1 odds to win it all. Those were the odds offered at the beginning of the playoffs, and I figured why not. But I know full Well that Denver can win this thing. Right now I’m being offered 25x my original bet… I might sell part of my bet, but I’m going to hold onto most of it for sure. I’ve already made some money off of yesterday’s game Betting Miami to win. By the way, I don’t bet sports too much but this has a certainly been a fun run with this current playoff scenario.

As the Miami Heat were progressing through the playoffs, I was offered various buyouts on my future bet. But I declined all of them… I know that some folks would have jumped at the opportunity when the heat had beat Milwaukee, and they were offered perhaps five times their original bet, or even when they beat the Knicks and the price of the offer went up. Like I said, I’m not an expert, but I felt that Miami’s odds at the beginning of the playoffs were higher than they should have been.


I like Miami because of their head coach, they have a good core group of players that I’ve been together for sometime. And of course they are led by Pat Riley in the front office.

 

[Rocko]

This is the part I question. Starting 5, I give a slight edge to Denver, mainly because of how they can attack the rim and shoot from outside when they're on top of their game. But Miami can wear teams out with their bench and scoring distribution.

Denver has the best player in the nba. That’s really not open for debate.

The next best two players are on Miami (jimmy and Bam)

Then it’s Jamal Murray, followed by Kyle Lowry

From there it’s all role players, and Denver has the better bunch. I’m not a big Caleb Martin fan, but I recognize a lot of people having him rated higher than I have him rated

 

[sealybobo]

Denver is a lot better than those teams. Do you want to bet on the outcome of this series?

No because I want to see Denver win. But now I want to see Miami prove you wrong too. LOL.

Game 2 showed me Miami can beat Denver, in Denver. No other team beat Denver in their home this playoffs.

Miami may have a better coach. Can't wait for game 3.

 

[sealybobo]

Miami has a shot. They got within 9 late in a road blowout!

Hiro comes back, martin doesnt start out 0-4? They stop Gordon early in the game? Who knows? They did good on Jocic for the first game.

Look for Love (height), Highsmith to get time. Maybe shooter Hiro? Robinson wont miss all again.

Maybe? Everyone had them dead to MIL, some to NY and "ALL" game 7 to BOS. How'd that work out? I like the way MIA plays. Great coaching too!

Butler needs to be playoff Butler to offset Murray. Then.....its a series for sure.

They didn't even need Herro to beat them!

 

[sealybobo]

Joker flamed out early in the POs the 2 years he won it. Should he have not won it those 2 years?

He will take MVP of the Finals and Embiid can have his regular season MVP's.