Dems...why should your health and care be my concern?

Why?

Because Great Countries care about the well being of everyone
Which great countries are those?

Most of the free world recognize healthcare as a basic human right

False. You have no legitimate right to stick your filthy, greedy hands into someone else's pocket.

There is no "human right" to confiscate the property of others, the only legitimate rights are your rights over your own life, liberty and property


No one can complain, because ACA does not cost anyone any more.
That is because ACA subsidizes the poor only by cutting insurance company profits, not by charging anyone more.

Again, premiums are only lower when there's a welfare government benefit included. They are expensive and unusable because of the high deductibles for most people.

It totally fucked me. I had a policy that I loved. It was high deductible and cheap for family coverage. Under Obamacare the premiums skyrocketed then they cancelled it completely.

BTW, insurance company profits aren't yours, you are advocating armed robbery
 
I don’t need a novel posted....something short and simple works just fine....So you want your neighbor to pay for your child’s education, subsidize your income, and your rent etc and you want your neighbor to help cover your healthcare....Why/how does that seem like a reasonable request while you’re telling your neighbor you want more desperate people here from Mexico as well? Please explain this to us self sufficient folks that can’t wrap our heads around it.
If you can make sense of this I and others may be inclined to vote Democrat.
Thanks in advance.


The Mexican illegal immigration thing I do not think the Dems get at all, any nation needs to control it's borders and decide who can and cannot come in based on the national interest.

As for your neighbours health care being your concern?

That is what all insurance is.

All insurance is a payment into a collective which spreads the risk, the collective says you make these payments and we will cover you with the payments all others made should you require health care, even cover you beyond what you payed in. Even private insurance covers the individual by spreading individual risk to the collective.

Universal health insurance (not state control of delivery) is that same principal only because the risk pool is universal the cost to both you and the collective is lower.
Right wingers don't care about the laws, they only prefer to be hypocrites regarding the less fortunate. There is no express Immigration clause in our federal Constitution and we should have no illegal problem or illegal underclass. The national interest is faithful execution of our supreme law of the land. We have a Commerce Clause and a central bank; yet, the right wing prefers to eschew capitalism at every opportunity while alleging they are not really like that in socialism threads.
Why are they "less fortunate"??
 
Why?

Because Great Countries care about the well being of everyone
Which great countries are those?

Most of the free world recognize healthcare as a basic human right

False. You have no legitimate right to stick your filthy, greedy hands into someone else's pocket.

There is no "human right" to confiscate the property of others, the only legitimate rights are your rights over your own life, liberty and property


No one can complain, because ACA does not cost anyone any more.
Wanna bet?
That is because ACA subsidizes the poor only by cutting insurance company profits, not by charging anyone more.

Insurance industry profits grew, in some case quite radically, under ACA. Might wanna put that argument on the backburner.

Yes. Initially it was mixed, but then a bunch of companies dropped out and with very few options the few insurance companies left were able to jack up prices and start making high profits. No one wants to get back in because that would just drive down the rates again. As with all government programs, it doesn't work
 
For the vast majority of people ACA is neither affordable or effective. Between the sky high deductibles and premiums the so called insurance doesn't pay jack for most people. Those individuals pay for their care out of pocket for the whole year before the insurance pays a dime.

You have to start with that stark reality when discussing the merits of ACA and not cherry pick the small minority with serious pre-existing conditions and serious health issues. Even they must first the premiums and sky high deductibles before the insurance kicks in.

Not to mention if you have benefits your prices go up. Mine went up by 60%.

The ONLY people who like the ACA are the people the rest of us are paying for.
 
Why?

Because Great Countries care about the well being of everyone

That's not true. Look at all the nationalized healthcare systems in Europe sporting high rates of COVID deaths. If well-being was a concern, then why do their national healthcare systems suck?
 
I don’t need a novel posted....something short and simple works just fine....So you want your neighbor to pay for your child’s education, subsidize your income, and your rent etc and you want your neighbor to help cover your healthcare....Why/how does that seem like a reasonable request while you’re telling your neighbor you want more desperate people here from Mexico as well? Please explain this to us self sufficient folks that can’t wrap our heads around it.
If you can make sense of this I and others may be inclined to vote Democrat.
Thanks in advance.


The Mexican illegal immigration thing I do not think the Dems get at all, any nation needs to control it's borders and decide who can and cannot come in based on the national interest.

As for your neighbours health care being your concern?

That is what all insurance is.

All insurance is a payment into a collective which spreads the risk, the collective says you make these payments and we will cover you with the payments all others made should you require health care, even cover you beyond what you payed in. Even private insurance covers the individual by spreading individual risk to the collective.

Universal health insurance (not state control of delivery) is that same principal only because the risk pool is universal the cost to both you and the collective is lower.
Right wingers don't care about the laws, they only prefer to be hypocrites regarding the less fortunate. There is no express Immigration clause in our federal Constitution and we should have no illegal problem or illegal underclass. The national interest is faithful execution of our supreme law of the land. We have a Commerce Clause and a central bank; yet, the right wing prefers to eschew capitalism at every opportunity while alleging they are not really like that in socialism threads.
Why are they "less fortunate"??

Calling people who work less hard, get less education and care less about their futures and their jobs "less fortunate" is one way that Democrats try to remove personal responsibility people have for their own lives which then justifies pulling out the guns to make it "even"
 
Marxists rely on the fact that a population is easily controlled if it is defenseless and all are equally miserable. You will have nothing.... but neither will your neighbors. Your healthcare will be considered substandard by voodoo witchdoctors in sub-saharan africa.... but it won't cost you a penny.

Pick a side.
Right wingers have no better solutions at lower cost; all they do is complain about left wing solutions.
Your fucking solutions have only made things worse for the middle classes

Not really.
I do not like ACA, but it has made a slight improvement for the middle class.
Premiums are more uniform, more easy to compare, no worries over pre-existing, and slightly lower.

Premiums are only lower when you get government money to help pay for them. They are unaffordable to people who don't qualify for getting Obamacare with the welfare provision

Not sure I believe that.
Insurance rates were increasing by about 15% annually, and were unaffordable before ACA.
I think ACA actually lowered them slightly, and the only increase came from those who did not buy insurance at all before, but now have to because of the penalty.
 
Why?

Because Great Countries care about the well being of everyone
Which great countries are those?

Most of the free world recognize healthcare as a basic human right

False. You have no legitimate right to stick your filthy, greedy hands into someone else's pocket.

There is no "human right" to confiscate the property of others, the only legitimate rights are your rights over your own life, liberty and property


No one can complain, because ACA does not cost anyone any more.
Wanna bet?
That is because ACA subsidizes the poor only by cutting insurance company profits, not by charging anyone more.

Insurance industry profits grew, in some case quite radically, under ACA. Might wanna put that argument on the backburner.

I would agree that mandating private insurance would open the door for even more profiteering by insurance companies. Which is why I would prefer public health care instead.
 
Why?

Because Great Countries care about the well being of everyone
Which great countries are those?

Most of the free world recognize healthcare as a basic human right

False. You have no legitimate right to stick your filthy, greedy hands into someone else's pocket.

There is no "human right" to confiscate the property of others, the only legitimate rights are your rights over your own life, liberty and property


No one can complain, because ACA does not cost anyone any more.
Wanna bet?
That is because ACA subsidizes the poor only by cutting insurance company profits, not by charging anyone more.

Insurance industry profits grew, in some case quite radically, under ACA. Might wanna put that argument on the backburner.

I would agree that mandating private insurance would open the door for even more profiteering by insurance companies. Which is why I would prefer public health care instead.
Which would open the door, wider, for even more profiteering by insurance companies.
 
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Why?

Because Great Countries care about the well being of everyone
Which great countries are those?

Most of the free world recognize healthcare as a basic human right

False. You have no legitimate right to stick your filthy, greedy hands into someone else's pocket.

There is no "human right" to confiscate the property of others, the only legitimate rights are your rights over your own life, liberty and property


No one can complain, because ACA does not cost anyone any more.
That is because ACA subsidizes the poor only by cutting insurance company profits, not by charging anyone more.
it charges me more in taxs,,,

Most of our taxes go to military spending, and so little goes to social programs, that this is not a good argument.
If you want to reduce taxes, then get us out of Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, the Persian Gulf, the Mediterranean, etc.
 
Why?

Because Great Countries care about the well being of everyone
Which great countries are those?

Most of the free world recognize healthcare as a basic human right

False. You have no legitimate right to stick your filthy, greedy hands into someone else's pocket.

There is no "human right" to confiscate the property of others, the only legitimate rights are your rights over your own life, liberty and property


No one can complain, because ACA does not cost anyone any more.
Wanna bet?
That is because ACA subsidizes the poor only by cutting insurance company profits, not by charging anyone more.

Insurance industry profits grew, in some case quite radically, under ACA. Might wanna put that argument on the backburner.

I would agree that mandating private insurance would open the door for even more profiteering by insurance companies. Which is why I would prefer public health care instead.
Which would open the door, wider, for even more profiteering by insurance companies.

No, public health care would compete with private insurance companies and cause them to cut their charges drastically, in order to compete. Works well in all other countries.
 
Marxists rely on the fact that a population is easily controlled if it is defenseless and all are equally miserable. You will have nothing.... but neither will your neighbors. Your healthcare will be considered substandard by voodoo witchdoctors in sub-saharan africa.... but it won't cost you a penny.

Pick a side.
Right wingers have no better solutions at lower cost; all they do is complain about left wing solutions.
Your fucking solutions have only made things worse for the middle classes

Not really.
I do not like ACA, but it has made a slight improvement for the middle class.
Premiums are more uniform, more easy to compare, no worries over pre-existing, and slightly lower.

Premiums are only lower when you get government money to help pay for them. They are unaffordable to people who don't qualify for getting Obamacare with the welfare provision

Not sure I believe that.
Insurance rates were increasing by about 15% annually, and were unaffordable before ACA.
I think ACA actually lowered them slightly, and the only increase came from those who did not buy insurance at all before, but now have to because of the penalty.
you can think that all you want,,,

but its a fact my ins went up after the ACA not down,,,
 
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Reactions: kaz
Why?

Because Great Countries care about the well being of everyone
Which great countries are those?

Most of the free world recognize healthcare as a basic human right

False. You have no legitimate right to stick your filthy, greedy hands into someone else's pocket.

There is no "human right" to confiscate the property of others, the only legitimate rights are your rights over your own life, liberty and property


No one can complain, because ACA does not cost anyone any more.
That is because ACA subsidizes the poor only by cutting insurance company profits, not by charging anyone more.
it charges me more in taxs,,,

Most of our taxes go to military spending, and so little goes to social programs, that this is not a good argument.
If you want to reduce taxes, then get us out of Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, the Persian Gulf, the Mediterranean, etc.
that might be because the constitution requires a military and forbids social programs,,,
 
Why?

Because Great Countries care about the well being of everyone

That's not true. Look at all the nationalized healthcare systems in Europe sporting high rates of COVID deaths. If well-being was a concern, then why do their national healthcare systems suck?

The US has slightly higher covid-19 death rates than Europe.
But it is not just Europe that has nationalized health care.
It is the whole world, except just the US.
 
I don’t need a novel posted....something short and simple works just fine....So you want your neighbor to pay for your child’s education, subsidize your income, and your rent etc and you want your neighbor to help cover your healthcare....Why/how does that seem like a reasonable request while you’re telling your neighbor you want more desperate people here from Mexico as well? Please explain this to us self sufficient folks that can’t wrap our heads around it.
If you can make sense of this I and others may be inclined to vote Democrat.
Thanks in advance.
It promotes the general welfare, unlike your right wing, alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror that you all also don't want to pay for and which only create more refugees for you all to complain about. Why don't right wingers insist on limited Government regarding those social policies? We have a common defense clause not a common offense clause nor a general warfare clause. Yet, right wingers complain about general welfare spending.
Obviously, you dont know what "general welfare" means
Means do what is best for We the People
 
Marxists rely on the fact that a population is easily controlled if it is defenseless and all are equally miserable. You will have nothing.... but neither will your neighbors. Your healthcare will be considered substandard by voodoo witchdoctors in sub-saharan africa.... but it won't cost you a penny.

Pick a side.
Right wingers have no better solutions at lower cost; all they do is complain about left wing solutions.
Your fucking solutions have only made things worse for the middle classes

Not really.
I do not like ACA, but it has made a slight improvement for the middle class.
Premiums are more uniform, more easy to compare, no worries over pre-existing, and slightly lower.

Premiums are only lower when you get government money to help pay for them. They are unaffordable to people who don't qualify for getting Obamacare with the welfare provision

Not sure I believe that.
Insurance rates were increasing by about 15% annually, and were unaffordable before ACA.
I think ACA actually lowered them slightly, and the only increase came from those who did not buy insurance at all before, but now have to because of the penalty.
you can think that all you want,,,

but its a fact my ins went up after the ACA not down,,,

But health insurance was going up about 15% a year before ACA, so how could you tell?

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Why?

Because Great Countries care about the well being of everyone
Which great countries are those?

Most of the free world recognize healthcare as a basic human right

False. You have no legitimate right to stick your filthy, greedy hands into someone else's pocket.

There is no "human right" to confiscate the property of others, the only legitimate rights are your rights over your own life, liberty and property


No one can complain, because ACA does not cost anyone any more.
That is because ACA subsidizes the poor only by cutting insurance company profits, not by charging anyone more.
it charges me more in taxs,,,

Most of our taxes go to military spending, and so little goes to social programs, that this is not a good argument.
If you want to reduce taxes, then get us out of Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, the Persian Gulf, the Mediterranean, etc.
that might be because the constitution requires a military and forbids social programs,,,

It does nothing of the kind.

It talks about “Defense”
Fighting repeated wars at far ends of the world is not defense
 
Forcing people to choose between paying the rent or seeing a doctor is not correct

Forcing people into bankruptcy because they got sick is not correct
No one is forcing anyone to choose between those things. People make their own choices.

But I see you don't mind forcing people to do things you agree with, and that is not correct.
Sadly, people make those choices every day.
 
Why?

Because Great Countries care about the well being of everyone
Which great countries are those?

Most of the free world recognize healthcare as a basic human right

False. You have no legitimate right to stick your filthy, greedy hands into someone else's pocket.

There is no "human right" to confiscate the property of others, the only legitimate rights are your rights over your own life, liberty and property


No one can complain, because ACA does not cost anyone any more.
That is because ACA subsidizes the poor only by cutting insurance company profits, not by charging anyone more.

Again, premiums are only lower when there's a welfare government benefit included. They are expensive and unusable because of the high deductibles for most people.

It totally fucked me. I had a policy that I loved. It was high deductible and cheap for family coverage. Under Obamacare the premiums skyrocketed then they cancelled it completely.

BTW, insurance company profits aren't yours, you are advocating armed robbery

We're extremely in my husband's position and benefits package covers our family with excellent health coverage at no charge to us. Not the same for associates, before ACA the firm covered them like it does us, now they pay a percentage of costs.

I doubt they support government involvement
 
Why?

Because Great Countries care about the well being of everyone

I don't say you need to get a job and pay your own damn bills because I don't care about you, it's because I do. I want you to be a man. Do you feel better about paying your own damned bills now because I care? No huh, you actually just wanted the money, didn't you? Be honest

Typical Conservative view about healthcare


I got mine, FUK the rest of you
 

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