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IDF warns terrorists' families of imminent demolition

Some people have claimed that the demolitions are illegal however the Israeli courts have said otherwise.

It looks like the Geneva Conventions apply once again which gives the controlling power the right to adjudicate issues and hand down punitive actions
 

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Collective punishments have an honourable Aryan heritage after all.
 

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cnm, et al,

There are a couple of things that need to be considered, before you start throwing accusations around of collective punishment.

Collective punishments have an honourable Aryan heritage after all.
(ANCILLARY CRIMINAL ACTIVITY) Food for Thought ---

• The theory of a conspiracy before the fact. This is where the family incites or assists another family member to commit a crime (or knowingly aids someone who has committed a crime).

• The theory of a conspiracy after the fact. This is where the family helps a criminal after a crime has been committed; including harboring a fugitive from justice.

• The theory of providing material support for terrorism or subversive activity to protected persons that commits an offense which is solely intended to harm the Occupying Power, or guilty of espionage, serious acts of sabotage, subversion against the military installations of the Occupying Power or of intentional offenses which have caused the death of one or more persons.

• Theory of Conspiracy wherein the family plotted or help plan to do something unlawful or harmful against the Occupying Power.

• The theory of incitement, persuading, encouraging, instigating, or funding of an offense which is solely intended to harm the Occupying Power, or guilty of espionage, serious acts of sabotage, subversion against the military installations of the Occupying Power or of intentional offenses which have caused the death of one or more persons.

(COMMENT)

The idea of prohibiting "collective punishments" is actually articulated Article 50, Hague Regulation of 1907; and is generally represented by Rules 102 and 103 in Customary and International Humanitarian Law (IHL).

Convention (IV) respecting the Laws and Customs of War on Land and its annex: Regulations concerning the Laws and Customs of War on Land. The Hague, 18 October 1907.
ANNEX TO THE CONVENTION: REGULATIONS RESPECTING THE LAWS AND CUSTOMS OF WAR ON LAND - SECTION III : MILITARY AUTHORITY OVER THE TERRITORY OF THE HOSTILE STATE - REGULATIONS: ART. 50.

Art. 50. No general penalty, pecuniary or otherwise, shall be inflicted upon the population on account of the acts of individuals for which they cannot be regarded as jointly and severally responsible.

Look at this carefully and the language it uses and you will get an idea of the intent.

• "inflicted upon the population,"
• "they cannot be regarded as jointly and severally responsible."
Nothing prohibits the Occupying Power from taking action against those that were conspiratorially involved, in which there is a connection between the crime and the property associate with it.

The intent of the Collective Punishment prohibition was to eliminate taking groups of random people and summarily executing them (standing them up against a wall and shooting them to make a point) for terrorist, insurgent and other asymmetric activity.

The prohibition does not prevent the Occupation Power from taking such action that may be essential for safety and security. Nor does it prevent all conspiratorial members and associates to the crime from being subject to penalties.

Convention (IV) relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War. Geneva, 12 August 1949.
SECURITY MEASURES. INTERNMENT AND ASSIGNED RESIDENCE. RIGHT OF APPEAL

ARTICLE 78 [ Link ]

If the Occupying Power considers it necessary, for imperative reasons of security, to take safety measures concerning protected persons, it may, at the most, subject them to assigned residence or to internment.

Decisions regarding such assigned residence or internment shall be made according to a regular procedure to be prescribed by the Occupying Power in accordance with the provisions of the present Convention. This procedure shall include the right of appeal for the parties concerned. Appeals shall be decided with the least possible delay. In the event of the decision being upheld, it shall be subject to periodical review, if possible every six months, by a competent body set up by the said Power.

Protected persons made subject to assigned residence and thus required to leave their homes shall enjoy the full benefit of Article 39 of the present Convention.

Most Respectfully,
R
 

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In see Rocco the blowhard now is attempting to justify collective punishment now. What a guy.
 
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And the reason the collective punishment argument doesn't apply is right there in front of our eye.

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ANNEX TO THE CONVENTION: REGULATIONS RESPECTING THE LAWS AND CUSTOMS OF WAR ON LAND - SECTION III : MILITARY AUTHORITY OVER THE TERRITORY OF THE HOSTILE STATE - REGULATIONS: ART. 50.

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Drum role please.

palestine isn't a state.

As I recall the Oslo agreements legally require the pali's to acquire statehood through negotiations. Ergo it is illegal for them go to the UN, which is one reason they only received observer status and one reason the ICC doesn't have jurisdiction. Another reason the ICC doesn't have jurisdiction is that Israel isn't a member state.

If we really get into it, the land was Israeli and not available for the creation of a foreign state according to the original mandate.

So about the only argument that palestine is a state turns out to be just more mouth wash down the drain.

Ergo, Israel is not an occupying power and is well within its rights to hand down punitive actions for non protected persons exactly as specified by the Geneva Conventions
 
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Israel is committing collective punishment.

"Vice President Joe Biden called on Israel to stop the demolition of homes of terrorists' families, which he described as “collective punishment.”

read more: Biden: Israel's house demolition policy is 'collective punishment' - Diplomacy and Defense

That reading comprehension problem again there eh Monty

Or did you even bother to read it.

In a nut shell your collective punishment nonsense only applies to protected persons as defined by the Geneva Conventions. Which clearly you don't comprehend.
 

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It is you that hasn't a clue. Making up childish scenarios doesn't change the facts. Grow up, punk.
 
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It is you that hasn't a clue. Making up childish scenarios doesn't change the facts. Grow up, punk.

Tantrums will not further your cause. Nor negate the facts.

Your collective punishment nonsense only applies to protected persons.

Which is a concept you don't apparently comprehend

I wonder if you even know the definitions of protected vc non protected persons ?

Cause I think you are completely oblivious
 

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It is you that hasn't a clue. Making up childish scenarios doesn't change the facts. Grow up, punk.

Tantrums will not further your cause. Nor negate the facts.

Your collective punishment nonsense only applies to protected persons.

Which is a concept you don't apparently comprehend

I wonder if you even know the definitions of protected vc non protected persons ?

Cause I think you are completely oblivious

Protected Persons = Civilians, non combatants... Last time I checked even Nepal has a more lethal military than Palestine... In fact there are pretty much as many Palestinians in the IDF as there are in the 'armed' defence force of Palestine!

Article 33. No persons may be punished for an offense he or she has not personally committed.

Collective Punishment is a war crime... Congratulations Israel!
 
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No Flag Boy, once again you are ludicrously far from the truth

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  • Art. 5 Where in the territory of a Party to the conflict, the latter is satisfied that an individual protected person is definitely suspected of or engaged in activities hostile to the security of the State, such individual person shall not be entitled to claim such rights and privileges under the present Convention as would, if exercised in the favour of such individual person, be prejudicial to the security of such State.
  • Where in occupied territory an individual protected person is detained as a spy or saboteur, or as a person under definite suspicion of activity hostile to the security of the Occupying Power, such person shall, in those cases where absolute military security so requires, be regarded as having forfeited rights of communication under the present Convention.

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No Flag Boy, once again you are ludicrously far from the truth

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  • Art. 5 Where in the territory of a Party to the conflict, the latter is satisfied that an individual protected person is definitely suspected of or engaged in activities hostile to the security of the State, such individual person shall not be entitled to claim such rights and privileges under the present Convention as would, if exercised in the favour of such individual person, be prejudicial to the security of such State.
  • Where in occupied territory an individual protected person is detained as a spy or saboteur, or as a person under definite suspicion of activity hostile to the security of the Occupying Power, such person shall, in those cases where absolute military security so requires, be regarded as having forfeited rights of communication under the present Convention.

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Here ya go dickhead troll...

Fourth Geneva Convention - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You see, you are clearly a few buns short of a picnic...

Each and every 'copy and paste' you make has 'conditions', these conditions are very specific conditions relating to very specific people...

Your 'copy and paste' BS is cherry picked to suit your subnormal mentality, I believe that is the correct PC way of calling people retards these days!
 
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Quoting wiki instead of the actual document

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Please Flag Boy, lets try and keep it at least above the high school level

How about if we stick to the actual document
 

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Quoting wiki instead of the actual document

Please Flag Boy, lets try and keep it at least above the high school level

How about if we stick to the actual document

Oh come on dickhead troll....

Did you post ANY links?

Nope...

Still playing your high school antics with your poor quality gif flag.... :cuckoo:

At least it makes me feel special that you save it JUST for me... I guess it must be love :bow3:
 

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When your house is infested with rats and you kill all the rats but leave the nests than t'won't be long before you have immigrant rats moving in.

First you kill the rats.

Then you destroy the nests and clean out all the broken bits so they aren't used to make new ones.
 

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It is you that hasn't a clue. Making up childish scenarios doesn't change the facts. Grow up, punk.

Tantrums will not further your cause. Nor negate the facts.

Your collective punishment nonsense only applies to protected persons.

Which is a concept you don't apparently comprehend

I wonder if you even know the definitions of protected vc non protected persons ?

Cause I think you are completely oblivious

What tantrums punk? You have no facts, just a vivid imagination. Grow up.
 

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When your house is infested with rats and you kill all the rats but leave the nests than t'won't be long before you have immigrant rats moving in.

First you kill the rats.

Then you destroy the nests and clean out all the broken bits so they aren't used to make new ones.

I see Palestinians are rats in your opinion. Seems like that is very similar to what the Nazis considered the Jews. Predictable from the new Nazis, the Israeli Jews.
 

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Collective punishments have an honourable Aryan heritage after all.

Nobody persecutes and oppresses collectively like the Muslims and Arabs. They have the market cornered on that.
 

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