Democrats say "You cannot touch Social Security, Medicaire and Medicaid!"

[sealybobo]

We have to make DRAMATIC cuts to SS, Medicare, Medicaid or Welfare, or this nation will go bankrupt. Which one of those are you willing to sacrifice? I say we dump welfare. How about you?

Cut medicaid and welfare.

And start making it a lot harder to get medicaid and disability.

We live near the Arab capital of America. Dearborn, MI. Arabs are very loyal to each other. There are Arab doctors who will give any arab who says they can't work their stamp of approval. So there are thousands of healthy arab Americans on disability. And they work for their family business' so it's just bonus money for them. I hope Elon cuts everyone off and everyone has to re apply after being re evaluated.

 

[Godboy]

Cut medicaid and welfare.

And start making it a lot harder to get medicaid and disability.

We live near the Arab capital of America. Dearborn, MI. Arabs are very loyal to each other. There are Arab doctors who will give any arab who says they can't work their stamp of approval. So there are thousands of healthy arab Americans on disability. And they work for their family business' so it's just bonus money for them. I hope Elon cuts everyone off and everyone has to re apply after being re evaluated.

Thats the sanest post ive seen from a democrat in a long time.

 

[Mashmont]

It turned out not to be true. You haven't heard?

It was never proven to be untrue. Former leftwing deep state hacks say it wasn't happening. Big whoop. Those people lie anyway

 

[1srelluc]

No, what I'm saying is don't cut my benefits. Don't raise my age. I'm 54 and planning to retire at 62 and I want the full amount promised to me. That's what I mean. And medicare. I want what my grandmother and father got. Not what Dr. Oz is trying to sell us. His option sucks. When people go on it, and get sick, they go right back on the old plan. Because his plan sucks.

If you get rid of the waste, fraud and abuse GREAT! That should strengthen those programs right?

As long as politicians can steal from SS it will never really be safe.

That's why they started taxing it in '84, so they could steal even more to bring the Soviets down. Those new taxes did not go into the fund to strengthen it, mostly they went to the MIC and they didn't even bother to leave an IOU.

The same will happen to monies recovered by stopping WF&A.....It will just be sucked away instead of used to quit taxing our SS benefits.

Ha! Have you ever seen a tax levied for so long go away?

BTW......At 62 you get the reduced rate anyway.....66 and 10 months for full benefits.

 

[MarathonMike]

You realize that audting costs money and requires skilled accountants... like the ones Muskrat is currently firing.

LOL. Yeah OK. Let's have the corrupt, greedy agencies "audit" themselves. Hey wait, that's how we got into this mess!

 

[JoeB131]

Just what we need. Deep state 'accountants' -- the ones who cooked the books to begin with. No, it's time to get honest professionals working there. Trump has his A -team doing historic important work.

His A-team are 20-something Neo-Nazi tolls who couldn't get a security clearance.

 

[JoeB131]

LOL. Yeah OK. Let's have the corrupt, greedy agencies "audit" themselves. Hey wait, that's how we got into this mess!

who says we are in a "mess"?

The best estimate is that only 10 Billion of Waste, Fraud, Abuse, and Error occurs in Social Security. That's less than 1% of what they pay out every year for people who are dependent on SS to eat and keep a roof over their heads.

Do you know why we rarely throw out Congress-critters? Because these guys have staffs who are very, very good at making sure Nana gets her monthly checks. Once Musk and his Nazi Trolls start fucking with Nana's check, you are going to have some very angry people out there.

I'm all for it. I want Trump to fail. I want people to be angry.

But you guys might want to think twice about it.

 

[JoeB131]

Cut medicaid and welfare.

And start making it a lot harder to get medicaid and disability.

We live near the Arab capital of America. Dearborn, MI. Arabs are very loyal to each other. There are Arab doctors who will give any arab who says they can't work their stamp of approval. So there are thousands of healthy arab Americans on disability. And they work for their family business' so it's just bonus money for them. I hope Elon cuts everyone off and everyone has to re apply after being re evaluated.

Wow, that's harsh.

Let me give you another perspective. My eldest sister, now deceased, started losing her eyesight in her mid-fifties. Essentially, her retinas started detecting, making everything kind of a swirling blur. Because she worked as a nurse her entire life (even being a nursing instructor at the local community college) she really couldn't work as a nurse anymore. No hospital in their right minds would insure her for fear she'd misread a chart. But she had to fight with Social Security for months because they insisted she could do other kinds of work being nearly blind.

Of course, no one would hire her. The problem with the ADA is that it actually makes it HARDER To hire the disabled because once you do, you have to make "reasonable accommodations", and firing them becomes impossible. So most HR departments just ashcan the resumes.

She finally got on disability after her eyesight became so bad that she couldn't see things five feet in front of her. By that time, she was a shell of her former self.


Now, the flip side to that was Ray From Cleveland. He used to post here until 2023, and his whole schtick is that he lives in a suburb of Cleveland where all the white people except him moved out and people of color moved in and he complained all day about his Section 8 Neighbors. Then he mentioned that he could no longer drive a truck due to back problems, so he went on disability. Of course, he couldn't just take a job working on a computer for 8 hours a day answering phones. That was beneath him.

He didn't see the hypocrisy about bitching about his Section 8 neighbors and collecting his disability check.

 

[Mashmont]

His A-team are 20-something Neo-Nazi tolls who couldn't get a security clearance.

"Couldn't get security clearance". Again, from whom? Deep-state leftwing hack gatekeepers.
Y'all continue to indict yourselves without even knowing.

 

[sealybobo]

Wow, that's harsh.

Let me give you another perspective. My eldest sister, now deceased, started losing her eyesight in her mid-fifties. Essentially, her retinas started detecting, making everything kind of a swirling blur. Because she worked as a nurse her entire life (even being a nursing instructor at the local community college) she really couldn't work as a nurse anymore. No hospital in their right minds would insure her for fear she'd misread a chart. But she had to fight with Social Security for months because they insisted she could do other kinds of work being nearly blind.

Of course, no one would hire her. The problem with the ADA is that it actually makes it HARDER To hire the disabled because once you do, you have to make "reasonable accommodations", and firing them becomes impossible. So most HR departments just ashcan the resumes.

She finally got on disability after her eyesight became so bad that she couldn't see things five feet in front of her. By that time, she was a shell of her former self.


Now, the flip side to that was Ray From Cleveland. He used to post here until 2023, and his whole schtick is that he lives in a suburb of Cleveland where all the white people except him moved out and people of color moved in and he complained all day about his Section 8 Neighbors. Then he mentioned that he could no longer drive a truck due to back problems, so he went on disability. Of course, he couldn't just take a job working on a computer for 8 hours a day answering phones. That was beneath him.

He didn't see the hypocrisy about bitching about his Section 8 neighbors and collecting his disability check.

God damn that was a good post. Yea, that nurse should be approved for disability. BUT, I sure do wish I saw the people I know who are on disability trying to get off it. Most of them seem able to me. I mean other than they are worthless piece of shit who did it to themselves. My neighbor back home. The fat one. I mean come on. And the crack head down here in Florida. She lived a parasitic life off her mom till mom died. Then spent up the her mom left her, of course. Till she had nothing. Maybe she tried to find work at first but she's worthless. So probably got let go and they would have been minimum wage type jobs or secretarial at best. She most likely would be homeless or dead if not for medicaid and/or her sister. But is this our problem?

And then there are the arabs I was talking about who get shady arab doctors to approve their claims. They need to cancel all disability and EVERYONE has to re apply. Or, Trump has 4 years. Carefully go through the list and don't deny anyone who's obviously disabled.

The LIBERAL argument is that it would cost us more to find fraud than it costs us to just let it go. I don't buy that. Just like I don't buy that it's more expensive to execute someone than it is to feed, house and insure them for the rest of their lives. Bullshit. LOL

Plus if we are stricter moving forward, the fraud will stop moving forward. Even if we don't fuck with anyone on it now. Scrutinize anyone moving forward way more closely.

 

[JoeB131]

God damn that was a good post. Yea, that nurse should be approved for disability. BUT, I sure do wish I saw the people I know who are on disability trying to get off it. Most of them seem able to me. I mean other than they are worthless piece of shit who did it to themselves. My neighbor back home. The fat one. I mean come on. And the crack head down here in Florida. She lived a parasitic life off her mom till mom died. Then spent up the her mom left her, of course. Till she had nothing. Maybe she tried to find work at first but she's worthless. So probably got let go and they would have been minimum wage type jobs or secretarial at best. She most likely would be homeless or dead if not for medicaid and/or her sister. But is this our problem?

And then there are the arabs I was talking about who get shady arab doctors to approve their claims. They need to cancel all disability and EVERYONE has to re apply. Or, Trump has 4 years. Carefully go through the list and don't deny anyone who's obviously disabled.

The LIBERAL argument is that it would cost us more to find fraud than it costs us to just let it go. I don't buy that. Just like I don't buy that it's more expensive to execute someone than it is to feed, house and insure them for the rest of their lives. Bullshit. LOL

Plus if we are stricter moving forward, the fraud will stop moving forward. Even if we don't fuck with anyone on it now. Scrutinize anyone moving forward way more closely.

I would agree some policies are bad, such as calling addiction a "disability" when it's a choice. If there are doctors committing fraud, then go after those doctors, and any patient they signed off on.

But again, I don't think Musk knows what he's doing or looking at, and the world's richest man telling some poor person who has a marginal disability (like, let's say, the aforementioned Mr. From Cleveland) that he doesn't deserve a pittance from disability is a bit much.

I just happened to have gotten my statement from Social Security this week. If I retired right now (at 63), my payout from SS would be 1900 a month. If I suddenly found myself disabled, my payout would be $2483 a month. This is not a fortune, probably only about a third of what I make from the job and the side business I run.

Here's what I see as a bigger problem. I recently had to go to the local SS office to get my wife's name and address changed. (We got married in 2023). With the staff they had, it was laboriously slow. Not sure what the rest of those folks were in for, but none of them looked that old, and most of them looked able-bodied.

 

[sealybobo]

I would agree some policies are bad, such as calling addiction a "disability" when it's a choice. If there are doctors committing fraud, then go after those doctors, and any patient they signed off on.

But again, I don't think Musk knows what he's doing or looking at, and the world's richest man telling some poor person who has a marginal disability (like, let's say, the aforementioned Mr. From Cleveland) that he doesn't deserve a pittance from disability is a bit much.

I just happened to have gotten my statement from Social Security this week. If I retired right now (at 63), my payout from SS would be 1900 a month. If I suddenly found myself disabled, my payout would be $2483 a month. This is not a fortune, probably only about a third of what I make from the job and the side business I run.

Here's what I see as a bigger problem. I recently had to go to the local SS office to get my wife's name and address changed. (We got married in 2023). With the staff they had, it was laboriously slow. Not sure what the rest of those folks were in for, but none of them looked that old, and most of them looked able-bodied.

Ever read every abortion is immoral except mine? Same with disability. I've seen many people say one thing but when it happens to them, they change their tune. They lack empathy. Just like most people who say they'd go work at McD before they filed for unemployment insurance, is a liar. The first thing they do is file and justify it. Suddenly they get it.

That's great to hear it's $1900 a month at 63. I wonder what it is at 62? $1900 a month would be enough for me. I won't be mad if I get $2000 a month for the rest of my life. But I have over $600K in savings and should have $1 million when I reach 62. God willing. So I'll live off the interest plus the $2000. So $75K a year.

Disability has become a bit too liberal. This crack head living next to me. She gets the best tennis shoes. Because she has diabetes. She gets massages, medicines, free ubers to and from the doctors.

Ok, I'm totally turning into a Republican. I'm doing what they do. I'm saying "hey, why does she have it so good and I don't? Take that away from her"

Instead I should be saying "we should all have it that good".

 

[frigidweirdo]

Democrats don't give a rat's ass about the taxpayer, America's poor, Inner City kids or Veterans. We all know who they care about.

And Republicans do? They'll just take the money and put it in their own pockets.

So what's the solution? Vote Republican? Fuck off.

 

[MarathonMike]

And Republicans do? They'll just take the money and put it in their own pockets.

So what's the solution? Vote Republican? Fuck off.

The ability of Trump Haters to ignore the obvious never ceases to amaze.

 

[Mashmont]

It turned out not to be true. You haven't heard?

Said who? The leftwing media?

 

[AVG-JOE]

No, what I'm saying is don't cut my benefits. Don't raise my age. I'm 54 and planning to retire at 62 and I want the full amount promised to me. That's what I mean. And medicare. I want what my grandmother and father got. Not what Dr. Oz is trying to sell us. His option sucks. When people go on it, and get sick, they go right back on the old plan. Because his plan sucks.

If you get rid of the waste, fraud and abuse GREAT! That should strengthen those programs right?

The problem is that the waste fraud and abuse is in the contracts, not the employees, and not in the Social Security payment going to grandma. She paid for that pension.

The entire payroll is only about 4%.

Perhaps We, The Peeps should ask Elon for 5 bullets highlighting how he spent the last 80 billion We gave his companies.

 

[MarathonMike]

The problem is that the waste fraud and abuse is in the contracts, not the employees, and not in the Social Security payment going to grandma. She paid for that pension.

The entire payroll is only about 4%.

Perhaps We, The Peeps should ask Elon for 5 bullets highlighting how he spent the last 80 billion We gave his companies.

Billions of dollars of waste in this agency, billions of dollars of waste in that agency. Do that across 100 agencies and pretty soon you are talking serious money.

 

[MarathonMike]

Cut medicaid and welfare.

And start making it a lot harder to get medicaid and disability.

We live near the Arab capital of America. Dearborn, MI. Arabs are very loyal to each other. There are Arab doctors who will give any arab who says they can't work their stamp of approval. So there are thousands of healthy arab Americans on disability. And they work for their family business' so it's just bonus money for them. I hope Elon cuts everyone off and everyone has to re apply after being re evaluated.

Obamacare was essentially a massive expansion of Medicaid with lots of window dressing. There is UNDOUBTEDLY many billions in fraudulent Medicaid payouts and possibly the agency itself.

 

[frigidweirdo]

The ability of Trump Haters to ignore the obvious never ceases to amaze.

The problem is that "the obvious" seems to be rather different for some people.

 

[AVG-JOE]

Billions of dollars of waste in this agency, billions of dollars of waste in that agency. Do that across 100 agencies and pretty soon you are talking serious money.

Could all of the agencies run leaner? Absolutely!

But it's not the payroll... it's the contracts.

Check Defense first... Do We really Need $400 million worth of armored Teslas?