Democrats Promised a High Speed Rail for California Running by 2012

[candycorn]

Two very densely populated countries, just like I was pointing out before.

Areas where the population is more spread out like America, Russia or Congo it just isn't practical.

Ridiculous presumptions. A great amount of China is rural as it is in America.

Certainly feasible in both nations.

 

[candycorn]

They are working on high speed rail from Vegas to Victorville and it's not going to be an hour. Plus, you can fly to LA in 45 minutes and it's relatively cheap.

Well, this is from Google:

Not exactly 45 minutes according to them...and $277 isn't exactly cheap.

269 miles or divided by a train doing 200 MPH is getting you there in about 85-90 minutes. Not as fast as an airplane...true.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

What Democrats promised:
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What Democrats delivered:
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Democrats destroy everything they touch.

Thieves in LA are looting freight trains filled with packages from UPS, FedEx and Amazon

Photos and videos showing piles of empty boxes littered alongside rail tracks in Los Angeles County, California have gone viral as shipping companies say they've seen a dramatic spike in railroad theft. Some of the boxes are packages from companies like UPS, Amazon and FedEx.

www.cnn.com

 

[Markle]

Well, I was talking about a nation-wide strategy. Context matters.

Any sort of "nationwide strategy" for high-speed rail is beyond sheer insanity.

All this thread shows is that you would fight with a stick.

Why not address the great accomplishments of the Biden administration? Oh, riiiggghhht!

 

[Big Bend Texas]

What Democrats promised:
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What Democrats delivered:
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Democrats destroy everything they touch.

Thieves in LA are looting freight trains filled with packages from UPS, FedEx and Amazon

Photos and videos showing piles of empty boxes littered alongside rail tracks in Los Angeles County, California have gone viral as shipping companies say they've seen a dramatic spike in railroad theft. Some of the boxes are packages from companies like UPS, Amazon and FedEx.

www.cnn.com

If I remember right they blew like a billon dollars on that project without ever running any of the rails much less putting a train into operation.

It would sure be interesting to see just who made millions buying up and selling land for the right of way before it all collapsed.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

I guess because you're trying to wrap your head around an imaginary argument that nobody has made.

I'm not following that polluted stream of consciousness.

But here is my take. If you're talking about taking a bullet train from LA to SF...you probably would have a lot of takers. Having dealt with LA traffic, getting out of LA can take longer on the road than the bullet train would take for the entire trip. If you're talking about going from LA to Fresno...thats a disaster. SF to Bakersfield? Disaster. SD-to Sacramento? Probably a disaster.

Now... LA to Vegas in one hour or so? Great. LA to Seattle? Great. LA to San Antonio? Great. There is a reason why we still have multiple national bus chains. Add freight from the port of Long Beach and Port of LA to that as well...and now you can get around a chronic OTR trucker shortage.

You couldn't put any appreciable amount of freight on a bullet train and you couldn't stop on the way to unload/pick up cars because it's very time consuming.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Yep...it's going to require a national strategy for the US to join the rest of the world in embracing high speed rail. Montenegro has high speed rail....we don't. It's embarrassing. Of course, they also don't have the "party of no" firmly entrenched like a cancer in the highest levels of government.

Montenegro is smaller than Delaware. No nation our size with our geographical layout is ever going to have High speed rail nationally because it would be a financial black hole.

The cost per rider mile would be astronomical and and the ecological problems would be enormous because it would trap large populations that need to be able to move for the sake of maintaining genetic diversity.

You can't have medium and large sized animals walking across the rails servicing high speed rail.

 

[Markle]

Well, this is from Google:

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Not exactly 45 minutes according to them...and $277 isn't exactly cheap.

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269 miles or divided by a train doing 200 MPH is getting you there in about 85-90 minutes. Not as fast as an airplane...true.

As you know, there has never, ever even been the suggestion that such a train would do 200 mph. Tops have been 125 and that's between stops.

Have you not found your stick with which to argue?

 

[Big Bend Texas]

It works in every other nation.... But don't let that stand in the way of sophomoric insults. Intra-state high speed rail is almost silly in every case.

No it doesn't, every other nation doesn't have HS rail. N. Europe has only one HS line running trough multiple countries and it's an economic disaster.

 

[Markle]

The commie bastards will take it with eminent domain.

Do you know the meaning of eminent domain?

 

[Big Bend Texas]

As you know, there has never, ever even been the suggestion that such a train would do 200 mph. Tops have been 125 and that's between stops.

Have you not found your stick with which to argue?

About 150mpsh is the benchmark for HS rail in most of the world.

China has one line that runs at up to 250mph but then the Chinese couldn't really care less how many people they kill.

There are several more running at, above, or close to 200mph. I don't think that would fly in the US though.

Top ten fastest trains in the world

From the E5 Series Shinkansen Hayabusa to the Harmony CRH 380A, these are the top 10 fastest trains in the world.

www.railway-technology.com

 

[candycorn]

As you know, there has never, ever even been the suggestion that such a train would do 200 mph. Tops have been 125 and that's between stops.

Have you not found your stick with which to argue?

The trains in Europe and Asia regularly top 200 MPH.

 

[candycorn]

Any sort of "nationwide strategy" for high-speed rail is beyond sheer insanity.

All this thread shows is that you would fight with a stick.

Why not address the great accomplishments of the Biden administration? Oh, riiiggghhht!

I'm sure someone said the same thing about interstate highways, the Erie Canal, etc...

 

[Markle]

It works in every other nation.... But don't let that stand in the way of sophomoric insults. Intra-state high speed rail is almost silly in every case.

Sadly, your ignorance on this topic is not at all surprising.

 

[candycorn]

Sadly, your ignorance on this topic is not at all surprising.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Do you know the meaning of eminent domain?

The trains in Europe and Asia regularly top 200 MPH.

There are only 15 HS rail lines in all of Europe and they average around 175mph.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

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1,483 miles of HS rail would not give you even one coast to coast line in the US.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

I'm sure someone said the same thing about interstate highways, the Erie Canal, etc...

The Eerie Canal runs less than 400 miles over flat terrain.

Building an interstate and building HS rail aren't even in the same universe engineering wise or in terms of practicality especially.

 

[Markle]

The trains in Europe and Asia regularly top 200 MPH.

We are talking about the UNITED STATES.

If you quit posting things about which you know NOTHING, you would not always prove yourself ignorant.

If you did even the most rudimentary research, you would know that there are fewer than TEN high-speed-rail lines in the world that reach speeds of more than 200 mph.

To improve our commerce and infrastructure, we would be far, far, better off if we spent a tenth, or less, of what would be on a useless high-speed-rail system on upgrading and improving our freight lines.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

We are talking about the UNITED STATES.

If you quit posting things about which you know NOTHING, you would not always prove yourself ignorant.

If you did even the most rudimentary research, you would know that there are fewer than TEN high-speed-rail lines in the world that reach speeds of more than 200 mph.

To improve our commerce and infrastructure, we would be far, far, better off if we spent a tenth, or less, of what would be on a useless high-speed-rail system on upgrading and improving our freight lines.

The cost per rider mile would be in the hundred thousands or millions.

We could replace thousands or even tens of thousands of bridges and overpasses if not more for the same money needed to build just one HS rail line coast to coast.