Democrats Promised a High Speed Rail for California Running by 2012

[Devils_Advocate]

Explain to the class how a nationwide high speed rail plan would have prevented California from hundreds of billions in cost overruns and more than a decade behind schedule for running a rail over flat open ground between lovely Bakersfield and Fresno.
And then you can explain to the class how after getting off the train in Fresno Pablo will get to his destination 7 miles away.

First off if a train from Bakersfield to Fresno was built it would be for the transport of Meth seeing those two cities are known for their meth addicts in California!!!

California is based on the failure of the GOP that are not in power in California or D.C. according to Candy, and now I get the Fresno and Bakersfield connection seeing you must be high on Meth to believe the GOP is the cause of this failure…

 

[22lcidw]

Yep...it's going to require a national strategy for the US to join the rest of the world in embracing high speed rail. Montenegro has high speed rail....we don't. It's embarrassing. Of course, they also don't have the "party of no" firmly entrenched like a cancer in the highest levels of government.

When things decline in nations with the help of others who can never mind their own business, people get blamed. Groups of people many times. The globalists have blamed white males and Christians as the the top two evils in the world. And they have gotten a lot of mileage out of it even with the same white males being the real engine of inventiveness and progress. When the worst happens you better make sure not those two get the blame with the camps and what follows. Because the blame game can be repetitive in this world. And any of it is terrible to contemplate but exists. Flying is easier than riding a train. Most of the same people who want the modern trains you approve of, do not want to give up their property or give a right of way to make it easier.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Strange, I didn't blame anyone. I did say Montenegro has nationwide high-speed rail and we're still deciding if we need it. This is to say nothing of the other nations that have had it for decades, have perfected it, offering their citizens much more choices than we have in the US.

If you want me to say that California's plan was a boondoggle, sure. It was. Happy? Of course you aren't. Why? You're never happy.

1 hour 43 minute drive between Fresno and Bakersfield. Why would I take a train when my car will put me at the front door of my destination faster?

 

[candycorn]

Explain to the class how a nationwide high speed rail plan would have prevented California from hundreds of billions in cost overruns and more than a decade behind schedule for running a rail over flat open ground between lovely Bakersfield and Fresno.
And then you can explain to the class how after getting off the train in Fresno Pablo will get to his destination 7 miles away.

It wouldn't.

 

[candycorn]

When things decline in nations with the help of others who can never mind their own business, people get blamed. Groups of people many times. The globalists have blamed white males and Christians as the the top two evils in the world. And they have gotten a lot of mileage out of it even with the same white males being the real engine of inventiveness and progress. When the worst happens you better make sure not those two get the blame with the camps and what follows. Because the blame game can be repetitive in this world. And any of it is terrible to contemplate but exists. Flying is easier than riding a train. Most of the same people who want the modern trains you approve of, do not want to give up their property or give a right of way to make it easier.

Huh?

 

[candycorn]

1 hour 43 minute drive between Fresno and Bakersfield. Why would I take a train when my car will put me at the front door of my destination faster?

Again...Intra-state high speed rail seems silly to me.

 

[Weatherman2020]

It wouldn't.

Correct answer. A nationwide plan would not have prevented the California boondoggle.
Now how does Pablo get to his destination 7 miles away after stepping off the train?

 

[candycorn]

Correct answer. A nationwide plan would not have prevented the California boondoggle.

And I don't recall ever claiming it would.

Now how does Pablo get to his destination 7 miles away after stepping off the train?

Not sure who Pablo is.

 

[Weatherman2020]

And I don't recall ever claiming it would.

Not sure who Pablo is.

Yep...it's going to require a national strategy for the US to join the rest of the world in embracing high speed rail. Montenegro has high speed rail....we don't. It's embarrassing. Of course, they also don't have the "party of no" firmly entrenched like a cancer in the highest levels of government.

I’m trying to wrap my head around you claiming a National strategy is a solution and not a solution; why a State 30X larger than Montenegro needs a National strategy and why it’s good a Nation 30X smaller has a high speed rail but won’t work in a State 30X larger.

 

[candycorn]

I’m trying to wrap my head around you claiming a National strategy is a solution and not a solution;

I guess because you're trying to wrap your head around an imaginary argument that nobody has made.

why a State 30X larger than Montenegro needs a National strategy and why it’s good a Nation 30X smaller has a high speed rail but won’t work in a State 30X larger.

I'm not following that polluted stream of consciousness.

But here is my take. If you're talking about taking a bullet train from LA to SF...you probably would have a lot of takers. Having dealt with LA traffic, getting out of LA can take longer on the road than the bullet train would take for the entire trip. If you're talking about going from LA to Fresno...thats a disaster. SF to Bakersfield? Disaster. SD-to Sacramento? Probably a disaster.

Now... LA to Vegas in one hour or so? Great. LA to Seattle? Great. LA to San Antonio? Great. There is a reason why we still have multiple national bus chains. Add freight from the port of Long Beach and Port of LA to that as well...and now you can get around a chronic OTR trucker shortage.

 

[Weatherman2020]

I guess because you're trying to wrap your head around an imaginary argument that nobody has made.

I'm not following that polluted stream of consciousness.

But here is my take. If you're talking about taking a bullet train from LA to SF...you probably would have a lot of takers. Having dealt with LA traffic, getting out of LA can take longer on the road than the bullet train would take for the entire trip. If you're talking about going from LA to Fresno...thats a disaster. SF to Bakersfield? Disaster. SD-to Sacramento? Probably a disaster.

Now... LA to Vegas in one hour or so? Great. LA to Seattle? Great. LA to San Antonio? Great. There is a reason why we still have multiple national bus chains. Add freight from the port of Long Beach and Port of LA to that as well...and now you can get around a chronic OTR trucker shortage.

Yet LA to SF is a longer distance than the borders of Montenegro you used as a poster nation for high speed rail.

 

[candycorn]

Yet LA to SF is a longer distance than the borders of Montenegro you used as a poster nation for high speed rail.

Nah...I used it as a poster child for being a very small undercapitalized nation that somehow has high speed rail while the richest nation in the world still does not.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Nah...I used it as a poster child for being a very small undercapitalized nation that somehow has high speed rail while the richest nation in the world still does not.

So you think the richest nation should use poor struggling nations as role models to follow.
I have no doubt you Leftists think that. The rest of us know why America is the richest and your role models are fighting to not be labeled as a third world nation.

 

[candycorn]

So you think the richest nation should use poor struggling nations as role models to follow.

Poor struggling role models? High speed rail works in other nations.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Poor struggling role models? High speed rail works in other nations.

Other nations can actually build high speed rails in rugged terrain within budget on time.
American Democrats can’t build a hundred mile rail on flat ground within budget or schedule.

BTW - European cities are high density centers that are good for such a system because hubs put you within a reasonable distance to your destination.
American cities are not.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Yep...it's going to require a national strategy for the US to join the rest of the world in embracing high speed rail. Montenegro has high speed rail....we don't. It's embarrassing.

It's really not because we don't need it. Nobody is going to pay to take rail when they can fly there faster for the same cost of less. There are a handful of places where rail may be a viable option like the northeast corridor where some of it exists now. Other than that, the country is too large for it to make sense. Montenegro is the size of Rhode Island.

 

[BluesLegend]

One success from this project was funneling BILLIONS of taxpayer dollars to friends of the Dem party.

 

[Failzero]

Again...Intra-state high speed rail seems silly to me.

Agreed even in Florida Jacksonville - Miami or Tallahassee to Disney or the Keys would useless Just as one in Texas El Paso- Houston El Paso-Dallas Dallas-Houston ... Would be

 

[Failzero]

Again San Jose to Simi Valley woulda been 1/8th the Price and had 5x the Ridership

 

[22lcidw]

Nah...I used it as a poster child for being a very small undercapitalized nation that somehow has high speed rail while the richest nation in the world still does not.

Being that it has to be government operated in some way, that in itself is a red flag. Amtrak and local trains are an example.