Democrats Pass Sweeping Gun Control

[Bell Huey]

The gun in their house is 43 times more likely to kill a member of their household than a bad guy.

Since you mentioned it, I actually HAD a neighbor who had a gun.

In 2011, he shot out his patio door with it. The bullet no doubt sailed through the parking lot, but thankfully didn't hit anyone. The local PD stopped by, caught him lying about someone shooting at him. (Quickly determined to be a lie because of how the glass was scattered), but didn't confiscate his gun.

A few weeks later, he shot himself.

The gun in their house is 43 times more likely to kill a member of their household than a bad guy.

Huh, that is an amazing gun. It is just going to kill me all on its own.

 

[The Duke]

This is going to get overturned as it should. We need to start fining the individual politicians who vote for unconstitutional laws

They should be removed from office for intentionally violating the Oaths they take to uphold the Constitution.

 

[marvin martian]

Huh, that is an amazing gun. It is just going to kill me all on its own.

The left have a deep, religious belief in magical, sentient objects that act on their own.

 

[Bell Huey]

Sounds AWESOME. Every state should have these laws.

The Second Amendment is about Militias that don't exist anymore.

MA has no need for the bill:

Massachusetts has the lowest rate of firearms fatalities in the contiguous United States, but reform supporters argued Wednesday that the problem of gun violence is still potent enough to warrant additional action, particularly amid the increasing presence of untraceable "ghost guns."

Mass. House approves tightening gun laws despite concerns from gun rights advocates

The Senate has yet to put forward its own version of the bill.

www.wgbh.org

 

[Lord-Humungus]

They should be removed from office for intentionally violating the Oaths they take to uphold the Constitution.

For repeat offenders I would agree. However I do believe sometimes they were given bad advice and should have an opportunity to learn from it with a fine the first time.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

NRA-ILA | Massachusetts: Anti-Gun Bill Passes House

H.4135 re-writes gun laws in the Commonwealth and imposes unprecedented gun-control. This is an ominous bill that includes the worst anti-gun legislation in the country, including:

• Widespread bans on commonly owned firearms,
• Eliminating due process through expanded “Red Flag” laws,
• Implementing new “safe storage” mandates in and out of your home,
• Instituting expanded gun registry
• Placing an extreme financial burden on gun-owners to price them out of being able to exercise their Second Amendment rights,
• And much more.

And here again the lefts push to ban law abiding citizens 2 nd Amendment rights at every turn

It would be fitting if the kindling lit in MA - again

 

[CrusaderFrank]

NRA-ILA | Massachusetts: Anti-Gun Bill Passes House

H.4135 re-writes gun laws in the Commonwealth and imposes unprecedented gun-control. This is an ominous bill that includes the worst anti-gun legislation in the country, including:

• Widespread bans on commonly owned firearms,
• Eliminating due process through expanded “Red Flag” laws,
• Implementing new “safe storage” mandates in and out of your home,
• Instituting expanded gun registry
• Placing an extreme financial burden on gun-owners to price them out of being able to exercise their Second Amendment rights,
• And much more.

And here again the lefts push to ban law abiding citizens 2 nd Amendment rights at every turn

Fascist gotta Fascist

 

[Captain Caveman]

NRA-ILA | Massachusetts: Anti-Gun Bill Passes House

H.4135 re-writes gun laws in the Commonwealth and imposes unprecedented gun-control. This is an ominous bill that includes the worst anti-gun legislation in the country, including:

• Widespread bans on commonly owned firearms,
• Eliminating due process through expanded “Red Flag” laws,
• Implementing new “safe storage” mandates in and out of your home,
• Instituting expanded gun registry
• Placing an extreme financial burden on gun-owners to price them out of being able to exercise their Second Amendment rights,
• And much more.

And here again the lefts push to ban law abiding citizens 2 nd Amendment rights at every turn

It's just all a show because some part of the gun nuts will file a court thingy and it'll all be kicked out as unconstitutional.

Until the 2ndA is deleted, America will never get a grip on gun violence. You guys need guns because America allowed all the nutters to have guns. Also, those that are the "good guys" have the mentality that they have the gun to shoot others.

So America is kinda up shit creek without a paddle with guns because the gun nuts are nuts with guns and all the nutters have the Right to guns.

 

[Robert W]

I can read just fine.

Well-regulated militias are clearly mentioned.

Guns are not.

Arms are.. but "Arms" could be howitzers, machine guns, weaponized Anthrax, nerve gas, tactical nukes, and a whole lot of other items that average civilians are not allowed to own because that would be stupid.

Citizens indeed can own machine guns, howitzers and tanks. Nukes if you can lift them.

 

[Auld Phart]

It's just all a show because some part of the gun nuts will file a court thingy and it'll all be kicked out as unconstitutional.

Until the 2ndA is deleted, America will never get a grip on gun violence. You guys need guns because America allowed all the nutters to have guns. Also, those that are the "good guys" have the mentality that they have the gun to shoot others.

So America is kinda up shit creek without a paddle with guns because the gun nuts are nuts with guns and all the nutters have the Right to guns.

Guns per Capita 2024

"According to the Small Arms Survey of 2017, the United States had a population size of around 326,474,000 people. There were about 393 million firearms in the United States, meaning that there were far more guns than there are people. Additionally, given that not every person in the U.S. owns a gun, many people own multiple or many. This fact still rings true, with the only major difference being that the United States population and the number of guns in the nation have grown in size."

How will eliminating the 2a reduce gun violence?

 

[2aguy]

Sounds AWESOME. Every state should have these laws.

The Second Amendment is about Militias that don't exist anymore.

Yes......and you leftists will have an easier time sending them to death camps.

 

[Bell Huey]

It's just all a show because some part of the gun nuts will file a court thingy and it'll all be kicked out as unconstitutional.

Until the 2ndA is deleted, America will never get a grip on gun violence. You guys need guns because America allowed all the nutters to have guns. Also, those that are the "good guys" have the mentality that they have the gun to shoot others.

So America is kinda up shit creek without a paddle with guns because the gun nuts are nuts with guns and all the nutters have the Right to guns.

It has to pass their senate.

 

[2aguy]

And Canada and Europe have nowhere near our homicide and crime rates.

Again, sounds like a great idea.

They have far worse......in 6 years, (1939-1945) the governments of Europe under the socialists murdered 15 million innocent men, women and children....over 1 million children......in just 6 years after registering guns and banning them.

Gun murder in the U.S. over our entire 247 year history, around 2,470,000.....

So you are right, Europe doesn't have near our homicide rate...they are much worse.....

How many hundreds of years will it take us to match their murder rate?

 

[2aguy]

Guns per Capita 2024

"According to the Small Arms Survey of 2017, the United States had a population size of around 326,474,000 people. There were about 393 million firearms in the United States, meaning that there were far more guns than there are people. Additionally, given that not every person in the U.S. owns a gun, many people own multiple or many. This fact still rings true, with the only major difference being that the United States population and the number of guns in the nation have grown in size."

How will eliminating the 2a reduce gun violence?

Because then the left can begin sending people who disagree with them to concentration camps........that's how....it will end normal people with guns, but will make government guns that much safer.

 

[2aguy]

The gun in their house is 43 times more likely to kill a member of their household than a bad guy.

Since you mentioned it, I actually HAD a neighbor who had a gun.

In 2011, he shot out his patio door with it. The bullet no doubt sailed through the parking lot, but thankfully didn't hit anyone. The local PD stopped by, caught him lying about someone shooting at him. (Quickly determined to be a lie because of how the glass was scattered), but didn't confiscate his gun.

A few weeks later, he shot himself.

You lie again.....

Read more: CDC’s Antigun Agenda On Display: So-Called Experts Abuse Our Trust
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In 1993,Dr. Kellermann, who was funded in 1991 by a CDC grant, had to soften the ’43 times’ number to ‘2.7 times.’ He concluded, “Rather than confer protection, guns kept in the home are associated with an increase in the risk of homicide by a family member or intimate acquaintance.” Kellerman thought the 2.7 number would not sound quite so impossible.
These papers, and many others from the medical community, were criticized by researchers who statistically showed that Kellermann’s conclusions were wildly wrong. Kellermann used a technique that depended on matching subjects and controls, except that the subject and control groups did not match. The subject group lived a very high-risk, alcohol and drug-filled lifestyle, while the controls did not.
Kellermann had singled out people who exist at the edges of society. Kellermann did not study normal gun owners, just criminals who had guns, but he exaggerated his findings.

Because of this confusion, Kellerman helped change American gun politics by injecting unwarranted fear into the gun debate. Too many journalists just read the conclusion of a “scientific” paper, and skip over the rest as too complex for them.

Despite these serious methodological problems, Kellermann’s results are still widely accepted in the public health field.​

Public-health advocates appear willing to run with any published study, regardless of how weak its methods, just so long as the findings are congenial to their assumption that guns are dangerous.
Then, in 1996, after Congress requested Kellermann’s original data, which he failed to release, Congress cut funding to the CDC for advocacy research. No funding was cut for medical research, just advocacy research.

CDC’s Antigun Agenda On Display: So-Called Experts Abuse Our Trust
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Gun in the home?

Whose gun?​

In a letter to the editor in the New England Journal of Medicine, "The students of Dr. Mark Ferris's Mathematical Statistics 460" class ask, "In how many of the homicides was the victim killed with a gun that was kept in the house rather than a gun that was brought to the house by the perpetrator?" The question is a relevant one since, as the letter also notes, the study's authors had stated in part based on their findings that "people should be strongly discouraged from keeping guns in their homes [p. 1090]." In other words, advising people against keeping a gun in the home doesn't make sense unless it causes an increase in homicide risk.
Kellermann's first response to the students was incorrect: "Ninety-three percent of the homicides involving firearms occurred in homes where a gun was kept, according to the proxy respondents." In a follow-up letter(four years later) Kellermann acknowledges his error, but still fails to directly answer the question.
Kellermann's own data suggests that for all gun homicides of matched cases no more than 34% were murdered by a gun from the victim's home. (GunCite's analysis of Kellermann's data.) (The data, such as it is, is available at http://www.icpsr.umich.edu/cgi/archive.prl?study=6898). 34% is probably on the charitable side since it assumes all family member or intimate homicides were commited by offenders living with the victim which is highly unlikely given that not all intimates (as defined in the Kellermann dataset: spouse, parents, in-laws, siblings, other relatives, and lovers) were likely to have lived with an adult victim.
A subsequent study, again by Kellermann, of fatal and non-fatal gunshot woundings, showed that only 14.2% of the shootings involving a gun whose origins were known, involved a gun kept in the home where the shooting occurred. (Kellermann, et. al. 1998. "Injuries and deaths due to firearms in the home." Journal of Trauma 45:263-267) ("The authors reported that among those 438 assaultive gunshot woundings, 49 involved a gun 'kept in the home where the shooting occurred,' 295 involved a gun brought to the scene from elsewhere, and another 94 involved a gun whose origins were not noted by the police [p. 252].") (Kleck, Gary. "Can Owning a Gun Really Triple the Owner's Chances of Being Murdered?" Homicide Studies 5 [2001].)

Kellermann-Gun Ownership as a Risk Factor for Homicide in the Home
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[marvin martian]

Yes......and you leftists will have an easier time sending them to death camps.

Which is, of course, the entire goal of anti-civil rights legislation like this.

 

[2aguy]

Why do you think the Dems want to pack the Supreme Court with leftist activists? So their anti-civil rights edicts like this one will be upheld.

Yep, which is why it is so important to keep them from winning in 2024.......Thomas and Alito may die or retire, and having the democrat replace them will lock this crap in forever...

 

[bigrebnc1775]

NRA-ILA | Massachusetts: Anti-Gun Bill Passes House

H.4135 re-writes gun laws in the Commonwealth and imposes unprecedented gun-control. This is an ominous bill that includes the worst anti-gun legislation in the country, including:

• Widespread bans on commonly owned firearms,
• Eliminating due process through expanded “Red Flag” laws,
• Implementing new “safe storage” mandates in and out of your home,
• Instituting expanded gun registry
• Placing an extreme financial burden on gun-owners to price them out of being able to exercise their Second Amendment rights,
• And much more.

And here again the lefts push to ban law abiding citizens 2 nd Amendment rights at every turn

Text history and tradition. This will get appealed to the supreme court

 

[2aguy]

It's just all a show because some part of the gun nuts will file a court thingy and it'll all be kicked out as unconstitutional.

Until the 2ndA is deleted, America will never get a grip on gun violence. You guys need guns because America allowed all the nutters to have guns. Also, those that are the "good guys" have the mentality that they have the gun to shoot others.

So America is kinda up shit creek without a paddle with guns because the gun nuts are nuts with guns and all the nutters have the Right to guns.

Hey....dumb ass.....Europe "got a grip on gun violence," by taking guns away from normal people.....then Europe went on to murder 15 million innocent men, women and children, over 1 million children in just 6 years.

Gun murder in the U.S. over our entire 247 year history? Around 2,470,000.......

So you have nothing to teach us about gun violence considering that your governments used gun violence to murder 15 million people.

 

[2aguy]

It's just all a show because some part of the gun nuts will file a court thingy and it'll all be kicked out as unconstitutional.

Until the 2ndA is deleted, America will never get a grip on gun violence. You guys need guns because America allowed all the nutters to have guns. Also, those that are the "good guys" have the mentality that they have the gun to shoot others.

So America is kinda up shit creek without a paddle with guns because the gun nuts are nuts with guns and all the nutters have the Right to guns.

As we watched 10s of thousands of hamas terrorist supporters marching through london.........

In Rwanda, the Hutus murdered 800,000 Tutsis using primarily machetes......when your muslim terrorists supporters go wild and want to decolonize London, you won't have any guns, and your police won't have any guns, to stop them.....

Good luck with your gun control...