Democrats Need to Drop the Gun-Control Issue

[Blues Man]

Yes...criminals know the criminals who murder them....the gang member who shoots the other gang member he sees at the drive thru of Mcdonalds, knew the other gang member....and when the daughter of the gang member is also shot....that isn't a normal family out for an evening.....

That's it, guy, keep just trying to write off our gun violence as "those people" dying.

At some point, they'll get sick of dying and vote to take away your toys.

The people doing most of the murdering won't care if you stop law abiding people from owning guns because they do not buy their guns legally.

 

[JoeB131]

When you continue to obssess on dick multiple times in every thread on guns it isn't a joke it's a pathology

Nope, it's a joke, which is not funny if you are "Compensating".

 

[Blues Man]

We keep the ones who shoot people locked up...you doofus.....we keep the felons caught with illegal guns locked up...you doofus...that lowers the gun crime and gun murder rate 95%.....instead, the democrats keep letting those guys out...and they shoot people...

They shoot people because the Gun Industry has flooded our streets with guns.

Other countries that ban guns... don't have to lock up millions of people.. and don't have five figure murder rates.

Funny thing is that most people who are locked up aren't locked up for crimes committed with a gun.

Guns don't cause crime.

 

[JoeB131]

The people doing most of the murdering won't care if you stop law abiding people from owning guns because they do not buy their guns legally.

Except that if no one is manufacturing them, they'll have none to buy.

 

[Blues Man]

When you continue to obssess on dick multiple times in every thread on guns it isn't a joke it's a pathology

Nope, it's a joke, which is not funny if you are "Compensating".

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I don't have a gun fetish.

A gun is nothing but a tool not unlike any of the hundreds of other tools I own.

And again gun manufacturers cannot sell guns to anyone but federally licensed gun dealers. Licensed gun dealers cannot sell to anyone without performing a BG check.

So people who manufacture guns and the licensed dealers who sell them aren't the problem. THE FUCKING CRIMINALS ARE THE PROBLEM

 

[Blues Man]

The people doing most of the murdering won't care if you stop law abiding people from owning guns because they do not buy their guns legally.

Except that if no one is manufacturing them, they'll have none to buy.

Sure they will. There are hundreds of millions of guns in the country.

 

[JoeB131]

Funny thing is that most people who are locked up aren't locked up for crimes committed with a gun.

Guns don't cause crime.

Um, yeah, because we have 400,000 gun crimes a year, and only room to lock up 2 million people. That's why we can't lock up every idiot caught with a gun when he gets busted for dope.

We also don't lock up most people caught with drugs, or most women who are busted for prostitution.

Now, gun proliferation is only one dimension of the crime problem. The others are addiction, poverty, mental illness, racism... and we are in no hurry to solve those, either.

 

[JoeB131]

I don't have a gun fetish.

A gun is nothing but a tool not unlike any of the hundreds of other tools I own.

And again gun manufacturers cannot sell guns to anyone but federally licensed gun dealers. Licensed gun dealers cannot sell to anyone without performing a BG check.

Okay, then the gun dealers should have no problem with victims of gun crime being able to sue gun sellers, then. Since they are totally on the up and up.

Oh, no, wait. No, they demanded legal immunity after the DC shooters won a big settlement.

 

[JoeB131]

Sure they will. There are hundreds of millions of guns in the country.

Most of which aren't suitable for street crime, or aren't operational because they've been sitting in someone's closet for decades.

 

[Blues Man]

Funny thing is that most people who are locked up aren't locked up for crimes committed with a gun.

Guns don't cause crime.

Um, yeah, because we have 400,000 gun crimes a year, and only room to lock up 2 million people. That's why we can't lock up every idiot caught with a gun when he gets busted for dope.

We also don't lock up most people caught with drugs, or most women who are busted for prostitution.

Now, gun proliferation is only one dimension of the crime problem. The others are addiction, poverty, mental illness, racism... and we are in no hurry to solve those, either.

And most times gun charges get dropped in plea deals.

And the only thing you are right about is that the powers that be don't really care about gun crimes because the people getting killed are mostly young minority urban criminals.

70 to 80% of all murders are relayed to inner city violence.

In Chicago the cops solve 47% of murders with White victims and only 22 % of murders with Black victims.

 

[Blues Man]

I don't have a gun fetish.

A gun is nothing but a tool not unlike any of the hundreds of other tools I own.

And again gun manufacturers cannot sell guns to anyone but federally licensed gun dealers. Licensed gun dealers cannot sell to anyone without performing a BG check.

Okay, then the gun dealers should have no problem with victims of gun crime being able to sue gun sellers, then. Since they are totally on the up and up.

Oh, no, wait. No, they demanded legal immunity after the DC shooters won a big settlement.

Why should they be able to sue licensed gun dealers who are required by law to perform a BG check?

 

[JoeB131]

And most times gun charges get dropped in plea deals.

And the only thing you are right about is that the powers that be don't really care about gun crimes because the people getting killed are mostly young minority urban criminals.

70 to 80% of all murders are relayed to inner city violence.

In Chicago the cops solve 47% of murders with White victims and only 22 % of murders with Black victims.

That probably has to do more with the fact that the Urban community doesn't trust the CPD. Given how many people went to prison because the CPD beat false confessions out of people, that's understandable.

 

[Blues Man]

Sure they will. There are hundreds of millions of guns in the country.

Most of which aren't suitable for street crime, or aren't operational because they've been sitting in someone's closet for decades.

You don't know much about guns.

Any gun can be serviceable for decades with simple maintenance.

 

[JoeB131]

Why should they be able to sue licensed gun dealers who are required by law to perform a BG check?

Why not? They clearly didn't perform a good enough background check.

There's a reason why we don't have gun vending machines. The gun dealer is supposed to be able to make assessments like, "this guy shouldn't be able to get a gun!"

Oh, wait, a gun dealer sold him a gun with a 100 Round clip. Because he looks so stable and trustworthy.

 

[Blues Man]

And most times gun charges get dropped in plea deals.

And the only thing you are right about is that the powers that be don't really care about gun crimes because the people getting killed are mostly young minority urban criminals.

70 to 80% of all murders are relayed to inner city violence.

In Chicago the cops solve 47% of murders with White victims and only 22 % of murders with Black victims.

That probably has to do more with the fact that the Urban community doesn't trust the CPD. Given how many people went to prison because the CPD beat false confessions out of people, that's understandable.

So what?

The problem is if the people who are actual victims of gun crime don't care enough to report it and the cops don't care enough to solve them it is obvious that these people most affected by gun crime care as little about it as the powers that be do.

THAT is the problem not the people who legally own and use guns. And BTW the vast and overwhelming majority of gun owners are law abaiding and are not responsible for the criminals if a ridiculously small percentage of the population.

 

[JoeB131]

You don't know much about guns.

Any gun can be serviceable for decades with simple maintenance.

I was in the army for 11 years, and my MOS was 76Y.

That's my whole point. The guy who bought a gun in the 1990's because he was really, really scared probably hasn't bother to maintain it.

 

[Blues Man]

Why should they be able to sue licensed gun dealers who are required by law to perform a BG check?

Why not? They clearly didn't perform a good enough background check.

There's a reason why we don't have gun vending machines. The gun dealer is supposed to be able to make assessments like, "this guy shouldn't be able to get a gun!"

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Oh, wait, a gun dealer sold him a gun with a 100 Round clip. Because he looks so stable and trustworthy.

The government sets the standard on BG checks not the dealer.

 

[Blues Man]

You don't know much about guns.

Any gun can be serviceable for decades with simple maintenance.

I was in the army for 11 years, and my MOS was 76Y.

That's my whole point. The guy who bought a gun in the 1990's because he was really, really scared probably hasn't bother to maintain it.

More meaningless assumptions

 

[JoeB131]

So what?

The problem is if the people who are actual victims of gun crime don't care enough to report it and the cops don't care enough to solve them it is obvious that these people most affected by gun crime care as little about it as the powers that be do.

THAT is the problem not the people who legally own and use guns. And BTW the vast and overwhelming majority of gun owners are law abaiding and are not responsible for the criminals if a ridiculously small percentage of the population.

The vast majority of people flying are not Al Qaeda Terrorists, and here we are, 20 years later, still subjecting airline passengers to intrusive searches.

The rest of us who don't have a gun fetish still have to put up with key-cards, security check points, militarized cops, active shooter drills, etc.

If the rest of us have to put up with a little inconvenience to accommodate your fetish, you can put up with some to continue it.

 

[JoeB131]

The government sets the standard on BG checks not the dealer.

That's my whole point. The government sets a standard. Clearly, that standard was ignored with (Insert name of any mass shooter here.)

Frankly, I want a gun dealer to tell a jury why he thought Joker Holmes needed a semi-automatic weapon with a 100 round clip.

(And yes, I use the word clip to piss off the gun fetishists).