Democrats Change 181 Year-Old Rule To Allow Ilhan Omar To Wear Hijab In The House

[Skylar]

We have a secular government. If Ilhan Omar wants to express her religion let her do it in a mosque.
Roy Moore was removed from office merely for having a replica of the Ten Commandments in his office and this Omar business is precisely the sort of incremental Muslim creep people worry about.
She must conform to our principles (progressive leftists that espouse a secular government in any other context notwithstanding).
We shouldn't be yielding to hers. I assume Roy Moore is rightly pissed off about this all.

These leftists have no actual principles. All they know is that they are required to support Islam.

They don't care whether or not they ate the biggest hypocrites in the world regarding the separation of church and state. They attack Roy Moore with all the same fervor that they defend the Islamists.

It's amusing to watch deplorable trumpanzees equate supporting the 1st Amendment with being all in for islam.

And yes, when it comes to Roy Moore, I have a thing against pedophiles..........don't you? Or is that another thing that today's American fundie "christian" supports?

We support the second amendment and you assholes want to step all of it. Your hypocrisy is insulting.


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Oh really? I am very supportive of the 2nd amendment and own (and know how to use) several guns. You want to try again?

You are the one in a million of liberals that have guns.


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Oh, there are plenty of people that lean left that have guns. I have two and am eye humping a third.

 

[elongobardi]

A yarmulke is religious headwear.

Allowing it would violate the rule.

Hence, the rule change.

Except it was not changed for a Jew with generations of American-ness behind him, but for a newcomer.

Dumbfuck, with the lone exception of running for president of the United States of America, a citizen with “generations of American-ness” behind them are entitled to ALL the same rights and privileges as a citizen who was naturalized.

Just admit it, you hate Muslims and it’s driving you apeshit that a Muslim is going to get to wear a hijab in Congress.

Still all confused about that separation of church and state thing?

Well it's obvious to us your a dot head.

Poor confused trumpanzee....

Coming from a liberal piece of shit that’s a compliment


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[Pete7469]

Oh really? I am very supportive of the 2nd amendment and own (and know how to use) several guns. You want to try again?

Moonbats often enjoy suppressing other people's rights while exercising more liberty than they would allow.


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[elongobardi]

These leftists have no actual principles. All they know is that they are required to support Islam.

They don't care whether or not they ate the biggest hypocrites in the world regarding the separation of church and state. They attack Roy Moore with all the same fervor that they defend the Islamists.

It's amusing to watch deplorable trumpanzees equate supporting the 1st Amendment with being all in for islam.

And yes, when it comes to Roy Moore, I have a thing against pedophiles..........don't you? Or is that another thing that today's American fundie "christian" supports?

We support the second amendment and you assholes want to step all of it. Your hypocrisy is insulting.


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Oh really? I am very supportive of the 2nd amendment and own (and know how to use) several guns. You want to try again?

You are the one in a million of liberals that have guns.


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Oh, there are plenty of people that lean left that have guns. I have two and am eye humping a third.

Well your people are trying to ban them so you might want to get them on board.


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[Cecilie1200]

This is NOT more than respecting religious expression. The House of Representatives is a specific community. You and I actually are not part of that community, but these two new Representatives are. They have every right to request a reasonable accommodation for their First Amendment rights, just as you and I would in communities of which we are a part.

We have a secular government. If Ilhan Omar wants to express her religion let her do it in a mosque.
Roy Moore was removed from office merely for having a replica of the Ten Commandments in his office and this Omar business is precisely the sort of incremental Muslim creep people worry about.
She must conform to our principles (progressive leftists that espouse a secular government in any other context notwithstanding).
We shouldn't be yielding to hers. I assume Roy Moore is rightly pissed off about this all.

Excuse me, but "secular government" does not mean "require the individual people who work there to pretend to be secular". At no place in the First Amendment does it say, "Free exercise thereof in the places Eric considers appropriate". At the point that assholes like you get to tell people when, where, and how they may follow their religious beliefs, it stops being freedom of religion entirely.

If you can't tell the difference between wearing a hijab on one's own person and putting up a big-ass monument in a public building, then I really don't know if I can dumb my posts down far enough for you to understand them.

She doesn't have to "conform to your principles" at all, asshat. See above re: freedom of religion. That's what it MEANS. It means she doesn't get to tell you who to be, and you don't get to tell her. To put it bluntly, mind your own damned business. You're not "yielding" to ****-all by doing so. If it's really such a damned hardship for you to allow other people to choose their own damned clothing, then I respectfully suggest that you get yourself a life.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Well your people are trying to ban them

Nah, thats wingnut fantasy. Not a shred of evidence shows that any significant portion of America wants to ban all guns.

 

[Pete7469]

Oh, there are plenty of people that lean left that have guns. I have two and am eye humping a third.

Just thank God the moonbat schools insert hoplophobia in their programming, so the poor little shits who get their frontal lobes paralyzed and end up rioting with antifa are afraid of guns. The kids who resist being dumbed down don't get led into riots and usually can become trustworthy adults.

 

[Cecilie1200]

We haven't had a female Muslim elected in 181 years

So, that's all she has to offer in your mind? No surprise there.

It is asshole Republicans whining about a head scarf

Nothing to do with the head scarf. It’s changing rules to accommodate people of other cultures. No other country does it except us.


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You say that as though it's a bad thing that we're doing something other countries don't, rather than a point of pride that we are more respectful of personal freedom than anyone else.

For someone who apparently spends a lot of time spouting about aggressive national pride, you don't seem to value the most important aspect of America.

Well maybe when you moron liberals stop attacking some of what you say American greatnesses. You guys talk out of the back of your heads. Leave the second amendment alone


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Ass kitten, I'm not a liberal. Disabuse yourself of the notion that you are a conservative, or that any of the shit spewing from your facehole is conservative, and that people telling you that you're an ignorant, bigoted, meddling, nosy dimwit are doing so because they're liberals. I am so conservative I make you look like a third-grader who just saw the word in the dictionary for the first time. That's why I am espousing conservative principles like freedom of religion, minding your own business, and leaving other people the hell alone if they're not doing anything to you, and YOU are sounding like one of the idiot leftists who want to outlaw Big Gulps because they're bad for you.

I defend the Second Amendment all the time, newbie shitforbrains Klan boy. Too bad you can't say the same in regards to the rest of the Bill of Rights.

 

[Pete7469]

Well your people are trying to ban them

Nah, thats wingnut fantasy. Not a shred of evidence shows that any significant portion of America wants to ban all guns.

You don't represent a significant portion of America either dipshit. Lunatics like you are just loud mouth malcontents who like to hear the echo of your own voice and pretend it's people agreeing with you.

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[Cecilie1200]

This is NOT more than respecting religious expression. The House of Representatives is a specific community. You and I actually are not part of that community, but these two new Representatives are. They have every right to request a reasonable accommodation for their First Amendment rights, just as you and I would in communities of which we are a part.

It wasn't considered reasonable for 181 years, but now suddenly a newcomer asks and we change the rules for her.


LIke I said. We don't get to define our community anymore.


That's the point.

You know why it wasn't "considered reasonable" for 181 years? Because we didn't elect anyone who had religious requirements involving headwear in 181 years.

Like I said, WE are not part of THAT community. THEY are.

That's the point.

Haven't got a clue why you feel so threatened by this. The chambers of Congress change their operational rules all the time, on a variety of things, as it suits them. What is your major investment in "No one should ever wear a hat in the House! NEVER! Aaaaagh!!"?

Newcomers should expect to have to conform to the standards of the community they are joining.


THe other way around, is going to cause US great harm. Is already causing US great harm.

They DO have to conform to standards of the community they are joining. However, there is no world in which I would consider it reasonable to be expected to conform to the point of violating my religious beliefs, so I do not expect that from others.

And I'm sorry, but a frigging hat is doing no one any harm. You need to take a freaking breath and get a sense of perspective. The United States has always been about accommodating the personal freedoms of a variety of individuals, so long as it doesn't conflict with the rights of others. I'd be interested to have you tell me what conflict with the rights of others is involved regarded a woman's headwear. It's HER head, after all. What's it to you?

It's amusing to watch deplorable trumpanzees lose their minds over this.

It's amusing to watch you try to put on airs, when your primary debating tactic is to call people you don't like, monkeys.

"try to put on airs" Oh? And I call no one a monkey. Why do you lie so glibly?

Your sophist word games are noted and dismissed.

Sophist word games? You mean, using words according to their actual meaning in order to communicate ideas? Would those be the games you mean?

If you don't like being told that what you said is a load of shit, maybe you should put more thought into what you say.

 

[Skylar]

It's amusing to watch deplorable trumpanzees equate supporting the 1st Amendment with being all in for islam.

And yes, when it comes to Roy Moore, I have a thing against pedophiles..........don't you? Or is that another thing that today's American fundie "christian" supports?

We support the second amendment and you assholes want to step all of it. Your hypocrisy is insulting.


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Oh really? I am very supportive of the 2nd amendment and own (and know how to use) several guns. You want to try again?

You are the one in a million of liberals that have guns.


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Oh, there are plenty of people that lean left that have guns. I have two and am eye humping a third.

Well your people are trying to ban them so you might want to get them on board.


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Left leaning gun owners are looking for what most Americans are looking for and what the NRA opposes: Common sense gun regulation.

Say, universal background checks.

I also support federal studies on gun violence. And bans on bumpstocks. I also don't think anyone needs military grade firepower. Or automatic weapons.

But my bolt action 223 for hunting? A handgun like a Glock 17? Or the sexing ******* Sig Sauer TACOP P226 fullsize?

Oh, definitely.

 

[Faun]

I have to say, I don't actually have a problem with it. If an Orthodox Jew were to be elected to the House, I wouldn't expect him to remove his yarmulke. There's a difference between a fashion statement and a religious requirement.

A yarmulke is religious headwear.

Allowing it would violate the rule.

Hence, the rule change.

Except it was not changed for a Jew with generations of American-ness behind him, but for a newcomer.

Dumbfuck, with the lone exception of running for president of the United States of America, a citizen with “generations of American-ness” behind them are entitled to ALL the same rights and privileges as a citizen who was naturalized.

Just admit it, you hate Muslims and it’s driving you apeshit that a Muslim is going to get to wear a hijab in Congress.

Still all confused about that separation of church and state thing?

Well it's obvious to us your a dot head.

No, not at all. If it’s a separation of church and state issue, how can the Senate allow it?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Left leaning gun owners are looking for what most Americans are looking for and what the NRA opposes: Common sense gun regulation.

But, which the NRA used to support, before they figured out that whipping a bunch of wingnuts into a rabid fear frenzy brought the money rolling in.

 

[Pete7469]

I think it's funny people give that much of a shit about some broad wearing her headgear. Lets see if one tries a Burqa next. Too bad we couldn't get Mooch or hitlery to wear one.

 

[elongobardi]

So, that's all she has to offer in your mind? No surprise there.

It is asshole Republicans whining about a head scarf

Nothing to do with the head scarf. It’s changing rules to accommodate people of other cultures. No other country does it except us.


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You say that as though it's a bad thing that we're doing something other countries don't, rather than a point of pride that we are more respectful of personal freedom than anyone else.

For someone who apparently spends a lot of time spouting about aggressive national pride, you don't seem to value the most important aspect of America.

Well maybe when you moron liberals stop attacking some of what you say American greatnesses. You guys talk out of the back of your heads. Leave the second amendment alone


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Ass kitten, I'm not a liberal. Disabuse yourself of the notion that you are a conservative, or that any of the shit spewing from your facehole is conservative, and that people telling you that you're an ignorant, bigoted, meddling, nosy dimwit are doing so because they're liberals. I am so conservative I make you look like a third-grader who just saw the word in the dictionary for the first time. That's why I am espousing conservative principles like freedom of religion, minding your own business, and leaving other people the hell alone if they're not doing anything to you, and YOU are sounding like one of the idiot leftists who want to outlaw Big Gulps because they're bad for you.

I defend the Second Amendment all the time, newbie shitforbrains Klan boy. Too bad you can't say the same in regards to the rest of the Bill of Rights.

Wow. Big mouth for a little boy spewing shot out of his mouth. Come talk to this third grader to see where it gets you. Another ***** with a big mouth and no balls, and definitely no brains. You couldn’t walk a day in my shoes *****. You would piss yourself.


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[Fort Fun Indiana]

It is asshole Republicans whining about a head scarf

Nothing to do with the head scarf. It’s changing rules to accommodate people of other cultures. No other country does it except us.


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You say that as though it's a bad thing that we're doing something other countries don't, rather than a point of pride that we are more respectful of personal freedom than anyone else.

For someone who apparently spends a lot of time spouting about aggressive national pride, you don't seem to value the most important aspect of America.

Well maybe when you moron liberals stop attacking some of what you say American greatnesses. You guys talk out of the back of your heads. Leave the second amendment alone


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Ass kitten, I'm not a liberal. Disabuse yourself of the notion that you are a conservative, or that any of the shit spewing from your facehole is conservative, and that people telling you that you're an ignorant, bigoted, meddling, nosy dimwit are doing so because they're liberals. I am so conservative I make you look like a third-grader who just saw the word in the dictionary for the first time. That's why I am espousing conservative principles like freedom of religion, minding your own business, and leaving other people the hell alone if they're not doing anything to you, and YOU are sounding like one of the idiot leftists who want to outlaw Big Gulps because they're bad for you.

I defend the Second Amendment all the time, newbie shitforbrains Klan boy. Too bad you can't say the same in regards to the rest of the Bill of Rights.

Wow. Big mouth for a little boy spewing shot out of his mouth. Come talk to this third grader to see where it gets you. Another ***** with a big mouth and no balls, and definitely no brains. You couldn’t walk a day in my shoes *****. You would piss yourself.


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But...wouldn't the gun freak be the real "*****"? So scared, has to carry a penis extension cannon on his hip...

 

[Cecilie1200]

So, that's all she has to offer in your mind? No surprise there.

It is asshole Republicans whining about a head scarf

Nothing to do with the head scarf. It’s changing rules to accommodate people of other cultures. No other country does it except us.


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You say that as though it's a bad thing that we're doing something other countries don't, rather than a point of pride that we are more respectful of personal freedom than anyone else.

For someone who apparently spends a lot of time spouting about aggressive national pride, you don't seem to value the most important aspect of America.

Well maybe when you moron liberals stop attacking some of what you say American greatnesses. You guys talk out of the back of your heads. Leave the second amendment alone


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Cecilie a liberal?

This board often leaves me wondering what it's like to view the world through a prism of conservative vs liberal, in which anyone who disagrees with you on any subject must be from the 'other side'.

Thank you.

And I would like to point out, for the sake of future conversations where some leftist tries to tell me that it's okay for him to be a hypocritical partisan douche weasel because "the right doesn't call its people out, either", that I am just as happy to beat nominal right-wingers like pinatas when I think they're wrong.

 

[Cecilie1200]

This is NOT more than respecting religious expression. The House of Representatives is a specific community. You and I actually are not part of that community, but these two new Representatives are. They have every right to request a reasonable accommodation for their First Amendment rights, just as you and I would in communities of which we are a part.

We have a secular government. If Ilhan Omar wants to express her religion let her do it in a mosque.
Roy Moore was removed from office merely for having a replica of the Ten Commandments in his office and this Omar business is precisely the sort of incremental Muslim creep people worry about.
She must conform to our principles (progressive leftists that espouse a secular government in any other context notwithstanding).
We shouldn't be yielding to hers. I assume Roy Moore is rightly pissed off about this all.

These leftists have no actual principles. All they know is that they are required to support Islam.

They don't care whether or not they are the biggest hypocrites in the world regarding the separation of church and state. They attack Roy Moore with all the same fervor that they defend the Islamists.

Is anyone who is willing to accept this change in policy in the House a leftist?

One assumes all the leftist members of the House accepted it. I would personally hope the members on the right did. I would hate to think that elected officials from my own side of the aisle acted like reactionary, 19th century bigots.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Name a compelling interest for disallowing religious head ware in the House....

We live in a secular nation, not an Islamic one, and I don't understand why a member of the House, who hasn't even sat in her place for a single day yet, takes precedence over one hundred and eighty-one years of House rules.
Actually, I do....female, democrat, Muslim. Why shouldn't the system yield to this one person?

I don’t see that as a compelling interest to deny a U.S. citizen their Constitutional right to observe their religion. And it’s nothing but a rule. A rule which remains in place for all non-religious head coverings.

Are you pissed because MAGA hats will still be banned?

Recognizing for a moment that agreeing with you on something makes me throw up a little in my mouth, you're correct. When this rule was made 181 years ago, it was 1837. The Civil War hadn't happened yet, every single member of the House of Representatives was a white Anglo-Saxon Protestant male, hats were considered just a fashion accessory, and it was the height of bad manners and disrespect for a man to wear one in a building at all, let alone on the floor of the House of Representatives.

 

[Cecilie1200]

This is an expression of religion! I guess it’s OK when it comes to iSLAM. We’re screwed as a nation. ******* ABNORMALS and worthless, spineless Repukes are taking us down the path of destruction!....Wherr are the SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE scumbags when they should be up in arms....but dont let a 66 year old cross stand on public property to memorialize our fallen war heros!

For 181 years, the U.S. House of Representatives has imposed a ban on its members wearing head coverings. With Ilhan Omar, one of the first Muslim women to be elected to Congress, set to take her oath of office in January, that rule—which would have prohibited her wearing her customary headscarves or the hijab—is slated to change.

The change was proposed jointly by Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi, Incoming Rules Chairman Jim McGovern and member-elect Ilhan Omar as part of a larger overhaul package.

When Omar is sworn in next year, she will become the first federal legislator to wear a religious headscarf. Her arrival will mark a number of other “firsts” as well. The Minnesota Democrat will be the first Somali-American in Congress and the first woman of color to represent her state in Washington. She’ll be joined by fellow Midwestern Democrat, Michigan’s Rashida Tlaib, as the first two Muslim women in Congress.

Hats of any kind have been banned from the House floor since 1837.

Read more at citizenfreepress.com ...

I have to say, I don't actually have a problem with it. If an Orthodox Jew were to be elected to the House, I wouldn't expect him to remove his yarmulke. There's a difference between a fashion statement and a religious requirement.

A yarmulke is religious headwear.

Allowing it would violate the rule.

Hence, the rule change.

Except it was not changed for a Jew with generations of American-ness behind him, but for a newcomer.

Well, at least you're honest that your objection is hypocritical.