Democrat Rep on CNN: We don't want Small Businesses

In which state does making $15,000 a year keep a person above the poverty line?

Who said it needs to do that?
Less than 2% of workers make minimum wage and about half of them are 25 and under.
Why should businesses pay full time employees wages that keeps them above the poverty line?! How about so the tax payers don’t need to pay full time workers welfare to keep them afloat despite the fact they are fully employed. That may be a point you agree with
There's an easy solution for that: quit making the taxpayers pay for it. There is no right to make a certain amount of money. That's purely a Democrat NAZI fetish.

But there does seem to be a right for the markets to go up.
 
that depends on whether you’re a business owner or an employee. Many employees produce much much more in value than they get paid and those profits go to the business owner. That’s how business works.

If you're an employee and you only produce $10/hour in value, how much should you be paid?
Generally speaking if an employee is producing $10 an hour of value then if the business is going to survive it would need to pay that employee $3-$5 an hour. Of course there are many other factors at play.

If this is the circumstance then the business owner needs to restructure and develop a better business model or train the employee to produce more value.

Generally speaking if an employee is producing $10 an hour of value then if the business is going to survive it would need to pay that employee $3-$5 an hour.

And if a $15/ hour mandate was enacted?

If this is the circumstance then the business owner needs to restructure and develop a better business model or train the employee to produce more value.

Some people just aren't very productive, no matter what the business model or amount of training (like 30 year olds still making minimum wage).
Min wage workers aren’t there to produce business they are there to exacute
In which state does making $15,000 a year keep a person above the poverty line?

Who said it needs to do that?
Less than 2% of workers make minimum wage and about half of them are 25 and under.
Why should businesses pay full time employees wages that keeps them above the poverty line?! How about so the tax payers don’t need to pay full time workers welfare to keep them afloat despite the fact they are fully employed. That may be a point you agree with

Why should businesses pay full time employees wages that keeps them above the poverty line?!

Exactly.

If you produce $10/hour in value, what should your wages be?

so the tax payers don’t need to pay full time workers welfare to keep them afloat

Would the taxpayer funded welfare be higher or lower without the job?
It’s up to the business owner to run their business to produce adequate value to pay their employees, just as it’s up to them to meet regulations and codes for the states and industries they do business in. A persons time is worth more than poverty. If you work for yourself and you produce $10 an hour of value then that’s what you will get and you likely won’t make it. But if you are going to employee people then you have a responsibility to those employees


Yep, your responsibility is to pay them as agreed, nothing more.

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exactly, which is why there is movement to get the minimum agreement higher and better for workers


Yet all it will create is fewer workers, tell the ones put out of a job how much better it is for them. You commies just don't think things through.

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What do you mean they don't think it through. Of course they do. Its been analyzed and studied.
It would cost 1.4 million jobs in exchange for raising 900,000 out of poverty.


 
In which state does making $15,000 a year keep a person above the poverty line?

Who said it needs to do that?
Less than 2% of workers make minimum wage and about half of them are 25 and under.
Why should businesses pay full time employees wages that keeps them above the poverty line?! How about so the tax payers don’t need to pay full time workers welfare to keep them afloat despite the fact they are fully employed. That may be a point you agree with


Are you so stupid as to think the commies won't alter the definition of the poverty line as the minimum wage goes up? You can bet your ass they'll move in tandem.

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Of course they will, it’s subjective. So what?! What do you think the poverty line is?


Do you think a school kid that works for the minimum wage making spending money and being supported by their parents for all the necessities is living below the poverty line? This one size fits all bullshit is exactly that, BS.
I do think of them. What about them?


Your nonresponse is duly noted.

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What do you mean my nonresponse. I asked a question in response. What about the kids? If businesses wants to hire and train kids and that time isn't worth what they pay for min wage then they can do an internship. I don't see the point that you are trying to get to
 
What is your point?

My point is that claiming every business can/should pay every employee at least $15/hour doesn't help people who aren't very productive, regardless of the fact that the low productivity employee may have a family to support.
It helps them about twice as much as a $7.25 an hour job helps them

The $15/hour job that they don't get helps them less than the $7.25/job that they do get.
 
Rep. Ro Khanna (D-CA) told CNN in an interview on Sunday that he and presumably other Democrats “don’t want low-wage” small businesses as he advocated for increasing the minimum wage. “We don’t want low-wage businesses,” he said when asked if mom and pop shops should be forced to pay employees more. “I think most successful small businesses can pay a fair wage.”


No beating around the bush there. The Rich and big-time Corporations only. F these local businesses who don't succeed by economies of scale. No open market of ideas. If you can't pay what I think you should, you should be erased.

The latest daily example of Leftist totalitarianism.
From your article...

“I love small businesses. I’m all for it. But I don’t want small businesses that are underpaying employees. It’s fair for people to be making what they’re producing and I think $15 is very reasonable in this country.”
$15 per hour is reasonable for workers who have skills. A minimum wage is a learning wage and not an earning wage and includes benefits. Those skilled workers will demand a raise if they are too close in earnings to the unskilled worker who is learning a trade, and it may cause unrest and loss of that skilled worker. Overheads will rise to offset the increases, layoffs of low-wage earners will occur, and businesses will slump. Been there and done that as a small business owner for 30 years.
The result of all this is that the small business owner will likely lay off unskilled workers as a first step.
 
Rep. Ro Khanna (D-CA) told CNN in an interview on Sunday that he and presumably other Democrats “don’t want low-wage” small businesses as he advocated for increasing the minimum wage. “We don’t want low-wage businesses,” he said when asked if mom and pop shops should be forced to pay employees more. “I think most successful small businesses can pay a fair wage.”


No beating around the bush there. The Rich and big-time Corporations only. F these local businesses who don't succeed by economies of scale. No open market of ideas. If you can't pay what I think you should, you should be erased.

The latest daily example of Leftist totalitarianism.
From your article...

“I love small businesses. I’m all for it. But I don’t want small businesses that are underpaying employees. It’s fair for people to be making what they’re producing and I think $15 is very reasonable in this country.”


The reasoning of a POS commie that more than likely never signed the front side of a paycheck in his life.

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“Likely” was that a qualifier showing that you actually have no clue what this guys background is?! What a lazy ass argument


Of course I do, academics, community organizing, worked for a couple of law firms and sucking off the government tit. No business experience. He's a typical commie that thinks he knows what's best for the whole country. You commies need to get a fucking clue, labor is a commodity and the market decides what it's worth. This kind of BS winds up hurting the people they're pretending to help. $15.00 happy meal, anyone?

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Funny how the "market" is supposed to determine wages but we don't allow for that where a business failing comes into play. When that is the question it's then the governments place to step in and provide trillions to keep it afloat.


Typical commie, perhaps you should familiarize yourself with the "takings clause". Then you might understand.

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No clue what you are talking about and really, neither do you.


Of course you don't, unlike you I actually know what's in the Constitution. And I see you're too fucking lazy to even google it. You're dismissed commie.

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Actually it's interference with an employment contract, i
I must have missed that in the Constitution. Can you point out where I can find it?


Article 1, Section 8, Clause 3. Article 10, Clause 1.

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Article 1 Section 8 clause 3 Says that Congress CAN regulate commerce.

Your interpretation of Article 1 Sectrion 10 is faulty

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Your contention as noted in the above link would allow gambling even though it is later outlawed merely because there was a contract involved. False.

Your contention also is that that NO minimum wage is Constitutional. Clearly not the case since they have been in effect for decades,

That's the same crackpot rationale as claiming that income taxes are unconstitutional. Nonsense
 
that depends on whether you’re a business owner or an employee. Many employees produce much much more in value than they get paid and those profits go to the business owner. That’s how business works.

If you're an employee and you only produce $10/hour in value, how much should you be paid?
Generally speaking if an employee is producing $10 an hour of value then if the business is going to survive it would need to pay that employee $3-$5 an hour. Of course there are many other factors at play.

If this is the circumstance then the business owner needs to restructure and develop a better business model or train the employee to produce more value.

Generally speaking if an employee is producing $10 an hour of value then if the business is going to survive it would need to pay that employee $3-$5 an hour.

And if a $15/ hour mandate was enacted?

If this is the circumstance then the business owner needs to restructure and develop a better business model or train the employee to produce more value.

Some people just aren't very productive, no matter what the business model or amount of training (like 30 year olds still making minimum wage).
Min wage workers aren’t there to produce business they are there to exacute
In which state does making $15,000 a year keep a person above the poverty line?

Who said it needs to do that?
Less than 2% of workers make minimum wage and about half of them are 25 and under.
Why should businesses pay full time employees wages that keeps them above the poverty line?! How about so the tax payers don’t need to pay full time workers welfare to keep them afloat despite the fact they are fully employed. That may be a point you agree with

Why should businesses pay full time employees wages that keeps them above the poverty line?!

Exactly.

If you produce $10/hour in value, what should your wages be?

so the tax payers don’t need to pay full time workers welfare to keep them afloat

Would the taxpayer funded welfare be higher or lower without the job?
It’s up to the business owner to run their business to produce adequate value to pay their employees, just as it’s up to them to meet regulations and codes for the states and industries they do business in. A persons time is worth more than poverty. If you work for yourself and you produce $10 an hour of value then that’s what you will get and you likely won’t make it. But if you are going to employee people then you have a responsibility to those employees


Yep, your responsibility is to pay them as agreed, nothing more.

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exactly, which is why there is movement to get the minimum agreement higher and better for workers


Yet all it will create is fewer workers, tell the ones put out of a job how much better it is for them. You commies just don't think things through.

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What do you mean they don't think it through. Of course they do. Its been analyzed and studied.
It would cost 1.4 million jobs in exchange for raising 900,000 out of poverty.


Actually if you read closely it says it COULD cost 1.4 million jobs...or it could cost ZERO jobs.

History favors the latter
 
What is your point?

My point is that claiming every business can/should pay every employee at least $15/hour doesn't help people who aren't very productive, regardless of the fact that the low productivity employee may have a family to support.

If you're working a minimum wage job with a family to support, I think it's safe to say you're lacking in productivity.
 
that depends on whether you’re a business owner or an employee. Many employees produce much much more in value than they get paid and those profits go to the business owner. That’s how business works.

If you're an employee and you only produce $10/hour in value, how much should you be paid?
Generally speaking if an employee is producing $10 an hour of value then if the business is going to survive it would need to pay that employee $3-$5 an hour. Of course there are many other factors at play.

If this is the circumstance then the business owner needs to restructure and develop a better business model or train the employee to produce more value.

Generally speaking if an employee is producing $10 an hour of value then if the business is going to survive it would need to pay that employee $3-$5 an hour.

And if a $15/ hour mandate was enacted?

If this is the circumstance then the business owner needs to restructure and develop a better business model or train the employee to produce more value.

Some people just aren't very productive, no matter what the business model or amount of training (like 30 year olds still making minimum wage).
Min wage workers aren’t there to produce business they are there to exacute
In which state does making $15,000 a year keep a person above the poverty line?

Who said it needs to do that?
Less than 2% of workers make minimum wage and about half of them are 25 and under.
Why should businesses pay full time employees wages that keeps them above the poverty line?! How about so the tax payers don’t need to pay full time workers welfare to keep them afloat despite the fact they are fully employed. That may be a point you agree with

Why should businesses pay full time employees wages that keeps them above the poverty line?!

Exactly.

If you produce $10/hour in value, what should your wages be?

so the tax payers don’t need to pay full time workers welfare to keep them afloat

Would the taxpayer funded welfare be higher or lower without the job?
It’s up to the business owner to run their business to produce adequate value to pay their employees, just as it’s up to them to meet regulations and codes for the states and industries they do business in. A persons time is worth more than poverty. If you work for yourself and you produce $10 an hour of value then that’s what you will get and you likely won’t make it. But if you are going to employee people then you have a responsibility to those employees


Yep, your responsibility is to pay them as agreed, nothing more.

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exactly, which is why there is movement to get the minimum agreement higher and better for workers


Yet all it will create is fewer workers, tell the ones put out of a job how much better it is for them. You commies just don't think things through.

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Is it just me, or is it painfully obvious that no one on the left has ever had to acquire anything through their own merit and hard work?
 
Low wage jobs are inherently low/no skill jobs. It's the responsibility of the individual to get the skills to make themselves worth more to an employer.
Low wage jobs SHOULD pay enough to sustain an adult human being. That employer NEEDS those workers at that skill level in order to make money.

If he refuses to pay them a living wage, then his ability to make money should be impacted.

Depressing wages is a form of slavery. One in which the employer has no care whether the employee is fed clothed or housed properly.
 
Low wage jobs are inherently low/no skill jobs. It's the responsibility of the individual to get the skills to make themselves worth more to an employer.
Low wage jobs SHOULD pay enough to sustain an adult human being. That employer NEEDS those workers at that skill level in order to make money.

If he refuses to pay them a living wage, then his ability to make money should be impacted.

Depressing wages is a form of slavery. One in which the employer has no care whether the employee is fed clothed or housed properly.

Low wage jobs SHOULD pay enough to sustain an adult human being.

Why?

That employer NEEDS those workers at that skill level in order to make money.

Maybe at $7.25. Maybe not at $15.

Depressing wages is a form of slavery.

I agree, we need to deport 10 million illegal aliens.....to start.
 
that depends on whether you’re a business owner or an employee. Many employees produce much much more in value than they get paid and those profits go to the business owner. That’s how business works.

If you're an employee and you only produce $10/hour in value, how much should you be paid?
Generally speaking if an employee is producing $10 an hour of value then if the business is going to survive it would need to pay that employee $3-$5 an hour. Of course there are many other factors at play.

If this is the circumstance then the business owner needs to restructure and develop a better business model or train the employee to produce more value.

Generally speaking if an employee is producing $10 an hour of value then if the business is going to survive it would need to pay that employee $3-$5 an hour.

And if a $15/ hour mandate was enacted?

If this is the circumstance then the business owner needs to restructure and develop a better business model or train the employee to produce more value.

Some people just aren't very productive, no matter what the business model or amount of training (like 30 year olds still making minimum wage).
Min wage workers aren’t there to produce business they are there to exacute
In which state does making $15,000 a year keep a person above the poverty line?

Who said it needs to do that?
Less than 2% of workers make minimum wage and about half of them are 25 and under.
Why should businesses pay full time employees wages that keeps them above the poverty line?! How about so the tax payers don’t need to pay full time workers welfare to keep them afloat despite the fact they are fully employed. That may be a point you agree with

Why should businesses pay full time employees wages that keeps them above the poverty line?!

Exactly.

If you produce $10/hour in value, what should your wages be?

so the tax payers don’t need to pay full time workers welfare to keep them afloat

Would the taxpayer funded welfare be higher or lower without the job?
It’s up to the business owner to run their business to produce adequate value to pay their employees, just as it’s up to them to meet regulations and codes for the states and industries they do business in. A persons time is worth more than poverty. If you work for yourself and you produce $10 an hour of value then that’s what you will get and you likely won’t make it. But if you are going to employee people then you have a responsibility to those employees


Yep, your responsibility is to pay them as agreed, nothing more.

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exactly, which is why there is movement to get the minimum agreement higher and better for workers


Yet all it will create is fewer workers, tell the ones put out of a job how much better it is for them. You commies just don't think things through.

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What do you mean they don't think it through. Of course they do. Its been analyzed and studied.
It would cost 1.4 million jobs in exchange for raising 900,000 out of poverty.




When has the CBO ever been right about anything? They don't score things on facts, they only use the criteria they're told to use.

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In which state does making $15,000 a year keep a person above the poverty line?

Who said it needs to do that?
Less than 2% of workers make minimum wage and about half of them are 25 and under.
Why should businesses pay full time employees wages that keeps them above the poverty line?! How about so the tax payers don’t need to pay full time workers welfare to keep them afloat despite the fact they are fully employed. That may be a point you agree with


Are you so stupid as to think the commies won't alter the definition of the poverty line as the minimum wage goes up? You can bet your ass they'll move in tandem.

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Of course they will, it’s subjective. So what?! What do you think the poverty line is?


Do you think a school kid that works for the minimum wage making spending money and being supported by their parents for all the necessities is living below the poverty line? This one size fits all bullshit is exactly that, BS.
I do think of them. What about them?


Your nonresponse is duly noted.

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What do you mean my nonresponse. I asked a question in response. What about the kids? If businesses wants to hire and train kids and that time isn't worth what they pay for min wage then they can do an internship. I don't see the point that you are trying to get to


Oh ok, I guess you think only your questions deserve an answer. Carry on.

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Rep. Ro Khanna (D-CA) told CNN in an interview on Sunday that he and presumably other Democrats “don’t want low-wage” small businesses as he advocated for increasing the minimum wage. “We don’t want low-wage businesses,” he said when asked if mom and pop shops should be forced to pay employees more. “I think most successful small businesses can pay a fair wage.”


No beating around the bush there. The Rich and big-time Corporations only. F these local businesses who don't succeed by economies of scale. No open market of ideas. If you can't pay what I think you should, you should be erased.

The latest daily example of Leftist totalitarianism.
From your article...

“I love small businesses. I’m all for it. But I don’t want small businesses that are underpaying employees. It’s fair for people to be making what they’re producing and I think $15 is very reasonable in this country.”


The reasoning of a POS commie that more than likely never signed the front side of a paycheck in his life.

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“Likely” was that a qualifier showing that you actually have no clue what this guys background is?! What a lazy ass argument


Of course I do, academics, community organizing, worked for a couple of law firms and sucking off the government tit. No business experience. He's a typical commie that thinks he knows what's best for the whole country. You commies need to get a fucking clue, labor is a commodity and the market decides what it's worth. This kind of BS winds up hurting the people they're pretending to help. $15.00 happy meal, anyone?

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Funny how the "market" is supposed to determine wages but we don't allow for that where a business failing comes into play. When that is the question it's then the governments place to step in and provide trillions to keep it afloat.


Typical commie, perhaps you should familiarize yourself with the "takings clause". Then you might understand.

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No clue what you are talking about and really, neither do you.


Of course you don't, unlike you I actually know what's in the Constitution. And I see you're too fucking lazy to even google it. You're dismissed commie.

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Actually it's interference with an employment contract, i
I must have missed that in the Constitution. Can you point out where I can find it?


Article 1, Section 8, Clause 3. Article 10, Clause 1.

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Article 1 Section 8 clause 3 Says that Congress CAN regulate commerce.

Your interpretation of Article 1 Sectrion 10 is faulty

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Your contention as noted in the above link would allow gambling even though it is later outlawed merely because there was a contract involved. False.

Your contention also is that that NO minimum wage is Constitutional. Clearly not the case since they have been in effect for decades,

That's the same crackpot rationale as claiming that income taxes are unconstitutional. Nonsense


Just because something exists or has existed for a period of time doesn't make it constitutional. The feds have no authority to meddle in intrastate commerce and the States have no authority to meddle in employment contracts. I provided you the references that prove that.

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Low wage jobs are inherently low/no skill jobs. It's the responsibility of the individual to get the skills to make themselves worth more to an employer.
Low wage jobs SHOULD pay enough to sustain an adult human being. That employer NEEDS those workers at that skill level in order to make money.

If he refuses to pay them a living wage, then his ability to make money should be impacted.

Depressing wages is a form of slavery. One in which the employer has no care whether the employee is fed clothed or housed properly.

Low wage jobs SHOULD pay enough to sustain an adult human being.

Why?

That employer NEEDS those workers at that skill level in order to make money.

Maybe at $7.25. Maybe not at $15.

Depressing wages is a form of slavery.

I agree, we need to deport 10 million illegal aliens.....to start.

I'm very tired of leftists who know diddly about history devaluing the word "slavery" by applying it to every instance of "The world isn't pampering me the way I want!" they come across.
 
Low wage jobs are inherently low/no skill jobs. It's the responsibility of the individual to get the skills to make themselves worth more to an employer.
Low wage jobs SHOULD pay enough to sustain an adult human being. That employer NEEDS those workers at that skill level in order to make money.

If he refuses to pay them a living wage, then his ability to make money should be impacted.

Depressing wages is a form of slavery. One in which the employer has no care whether the employee is fed clothed or housed properly.


You dumb fuck, if you don't want to work for, or can't make it on, what an employer is paying, don't take the fucking job. It's really that simple, but obviously too difficult for you to understand.

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In which state does making $15,000 a year keep a person above the poverty line?

Who said it needs to do that?
Less than 2% of workers make minimum wage and about half of them are 25 and under.
Why should businesses pay full time employees wages that keeps them above the poverty line?! How about so the tax payers don’t need to pay full time workers welfare to keep them afloat despite the fact they are fully employed. That may be a point you agree with

Why should businesses pay full time employees wages that keeps them above the poverty line?!

Exactly.

If you produce $10/hour in value, what should your wages be?

so the tax payers don’t need to pay full time workers welfare to keep them afloat

Would the taxpayer funded welfare be higher or lower without the job?
It’s up to the business owner to run their business to produce adequate value to pay their employees, just as it’s up to them to meet regulations and codes for the states and industries they do business in. A persons time is worth more than poverty. If you work for yourself and you produce $10 an hour of value then that’s what you will get and you likely won’t make it. But if you are going to employee people then you have a responsibility to those employees

It’s up to the business owner to run their business to produce adequate value to pay their employees,

Some employees just aren't very productive.

A persons time is worth more than poverty.

Usually, not always.
Can you give a real example where a persons time is not worth more than a poverty lifestyle?

You think you've posted a real gotcha question here don't you?
 
Rep. Ro Khanna (D-CA) told CNN in an interview on Sunday that he and presumably other Democrats “don’t want low-wage” small businesses as he advocated for increasing the minimum wage. “We don’t want low-wage businesses,” he said when asked if mom and pop shops should be forced to pay employees more. “I think most successful small businesses can pay a fair wage.”


No beating around the bush there. The Rich and big-time Corporations only. F these local businesses who don't succeed by economies of scale. No open market of ideas. If you can't pay what I think you should, you should be erased.

The latest daily example of Leftist totalitarianism.
What is wrong with not wanting businesses that pay low wages? The state has one of the highest cost factors to exist there. The state is number one in the nation with GDP.

What is wrong with not wanting businesses that pay low wages?

Many people lack the skills and experience to get any but a low wage job.
Are they to be trapped on welfare their entire life?

The state is number one in the nation with GDP.

Number one in population.
It is not always about skills but location, lower wages are ok in places where the cost of living is lower yet California is not that place.

Ah, you might be on to something. This is exactly why there should not be a $15 national min. wage. Different states have different economies and costs of living. Maybe you need to call your lunatic Democrats congressmen and give them a heads up. They don’t see to understand.
That’s a great point. So a full time job paying the current min wage of $7.25 comes to $15,000 a year. In which state does making $15,000 a year keep a person above the poverty line?


The minimum wage will always be considered poverty wages, won't matter if it's 15 or 60K a year, it's not designed to support a family. It's an entry level wage so a person can gain work experience and prove their own reliability.

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No. Because feelings n stuff.
 
Rep. Ro Khanna (D-CA) told CNN in an interview on Sunday that he and presumably other Democrats “don’t want low-wage” small businesses as he advocated for increasing the minimum wage. “We don’t want low-wage businesses,” he said when asked if mom and pop shops should be forced to pay employees more. “I think most successful small businesses can pay a fair wage.”


No beating around the bush there. The Rich and big-time Corporations only. F these local businesses who don't succeed by economies of scale. No open market of ideas. If you can't pay what I think you should, you should be erased.

The latest daily example of Leftist totalitarianism.
What is wrong with not wanting businesses that pay low wages? The state has one of the highest cost factors to exist there. The state is number one in the nation with GDP.

What is wrong with not wanting businesses that pay low wages?

Many people lack the skills and experience to get any but a low wage job.
Are they to be trapped on welfare their entire life?

The state is number one in the nation with GDP.

Number one in population.
It is not always about skills but location, lower wages are ok in places where the cost of living is lower yet California is not that place.

Ah, you might be on to something. This is exactly why there should not be a $15 national min. wage. Different states have different economies and costs of living. Maybe you need to call your lunatic Democrats congressmen and give them a heads up. They don’t see to understand.
That’s a great point. So a full time job paying the current min wage of $7.25 comes to $15,000 a year. In which state does making $15,000 a year keep a person above the poverty line?


The minimum wage will always be considered poverty wages, won't matter if it's 15 or 60K a year, it's not designed to support a family. It's an entry level wage so a person can gain work experience and prove their own reliability.

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When you have millions of people working these low wage jobs and trying to support families with their wages then you are going to have advocates working towards improving their pay and benefits. That’s just how our world works. The entry level argument isn’t going to go very far considering the real circumstances


Low wage jobs are inherently low/no skill jobs. It's the responsibility of the individual to get the skills to make themselves worth more to an employer. It's not the responsibility of the employer to tell a worker, you breathe so I owe you a living. It's not the governments job either.

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Agreed, but it is fair to have minimum standards, especially in a country as rich and prosperous as ours and that is what we are discussing... the minimum standards to carry the responsibility and honor of employing our fellow citizens

Hahahaha....too funny.
 

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