Delegitimising Israel: Nobody does it better than the Israelis themselves

[P F Tinmore]

The only valid link for you is israelibullshit.il

No the LoN or the UN will do

Goldstone Report.

Yes find the section that says Israel has said international law does not exist in palestine. IT MUST SAY THIS OR YOU HAVE LOST

Who buried the Goldstone report so that international law was not enforced?

No one it is still in existence, just because the UN did not action the report because it damned the arab muslims does not mean it is not valid. But didnt you say that it was Israeli talking points when the section dealing with palestinian use of human shields was brought up ?



And what international law was not enforced in the process ?

The violations mentioned were alleged. The Goldstone Report recommended that the alleged violations be investigated.

Who is holding that up?

 

[P F Tinmore]

What is the difference between the right to self-determination and actual sovereignty? Its the doing instead of the wanting.

Those are basic rights. Preventing the exercise of those rights (external interference) is illegal.

And who has prevented the palestinians from implementing these rights ?

GIVE EXAMPLES OF THIS TAKING PLACE

And you pretend to know about the conflict.

 

[Kondor3]

Both the PLO and the State of Israel have been recognized.

Palestine has been recognized as a state.

Doesn't mean squat.

Failed states rise and fall all the time, as history measures human existence and political life.

Rump Palestine is a train wreck, a bad joke... an abortion that has zero chance of ever materializing in to something viable.

 

[Phoenall]

No the LoN or the UN will do

Goldstone Report.

Yes find the section that says Israel has said international law does not exist in palestine. IT MUST SAY THIS OR YOU HAVE LOST

Who buried the Goldstone report so that international law was not enforced?

No one it is still in existence, just because the UN did not action the report because it damned the arab muslims does not mean it is not valid. But didnt you say that it was Israeli talking points when the section dealing with palestinian use of human shields was brought up ?



And what international law was not enforced in the process ?

The violations mentioned were alleged. The Goldstone Report recommended that the alleged violations be investigated.

Who is holding that up?

What violations, as you know your word is worth less than a wooden nickel.

Give the details so we can rip them apart and prove you wrong

 

[Phoenall]

What is the difference between the right to self-determination and actual sovereignty? Its the doing instead of the wanting.

Those are basic rights. Preventing the exercise of those rights (external interference) is illegal.

And who has prevented the palestinians from implementing these rights ?

GIVE EXAMPLES OF THIS TAKING PLACE

And you pretend to know about the conflict.

Better than you who thinks that the palestinians have been stopped from implementing a context !

Now give the details or admit you are LYING

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, this is a bag of something, I don't know what...

P F Tinmore, et al,

Well, yes ---

Both the PLO and the State of Israel have been recognized.

Palestine has been recognized as a state.

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Remind me again.... Just where does the "State of Palestine" have "sovereignty?"

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Most Respectfully,
R

Recognizing that the Palestinian people is entitled to self-determination in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations,

Expressing its grave concern that the Palestinian people has been prevented from enjoying its inalienable rights, in particular its right to self-determination,

Guided by the purposes and principles of the Charter,

Recalling its relevant resolutions which affirm the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination,

1. Reaffirms the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people in Palestine, including:

(a) The right to self-determination without external interference;

(b) The right to national independence and sovereignty;

UN General Assembly Resolution 3236 and UN General Assembly Resolution 3237

(COMMENT)

First, neither of these are law; merely recommendations. You would be better-off citing the source document (the UN Charter) having some authority. "Self-determination" is not an exclusive award to specific people/peoples. It is like saying that the Palestinians have the "Right TO" a Blue Sky. It does not mean that no one else has the "Right TO" a Blue Sky, or that those that have no UN Recommendation for a Blue Sky must give their Blue Sky back. When someone speaks to the unalienable "Right TO" ---- they are speaking about an intangible. Like the Blue Sky, it is not something that another can snatch away.

Second, it means nothing.

• The "Right TO" self-determination (or national independence and sovereignty) gives you nothing. The Palestinians may enjoy it, or not.

•• It is NOT a Benefit or an Entitlement. Just like the Blue Sky, we cannot go down to the vault and pick-up a package of Blue Sky and send it to the the Palestinians.
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We know this instinctively because there is no actual change between being in a position to having a "Right TO" and NOT having a "Right TO." The Palestinians have a "Right TO" a Blue Sky. So does it change the color of the sky they have now? What difference does is make is we say they do or they don't? ------ The same goes for the "Right TO" self-determination (or national independence and sovereignty). ------- Having the "Right TO" is not the same thing as having been granted and possessing self-determination (or national independence and sovereignty). You will notice that there is NO counterpart that says someone, some entity, some government must give the Palestinians anything. But even if it did, it is a "Blue Sky" scenario.

Finally, calling your self a "state" or being recognized as a "state" is a much different thing than the actualization of a "state." What attributes do the Palestinians have of a "state?" This is like a being a Santa Claus. You can dress-up in the suit, with the white beard, wide black belt and boots; but, what are you really. Can you make a magic sleigh fly? Do you have flying Reindeer? The same applies to being a "state." What inherently governmental attributes do the Palestinians have or perform?

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

Your usual load of Israeli crap.

What inherently governmental attributes do the Palestinians have or perform?

What doesn't look like any other state?

Gaza farming.

After Israel.

Everybody has the right to life. If somebody shoots you does that mean you were too incompetent to exercise your right?

Rocco, you are a hoot.

 

[Phoenall]

Your usual load of Israeli crap.

What inherently governmental attributes do the Palestinians have or perform?

What doesn't look like any other state?

Gaza farming.

After Israel.

Everybody has the right to life. If somebody shoots you does that mean you were too incompetent to exercise your right?

Rocco, you are a hoot.

Your usual load of islamonazi crap


Proves that Israel is not carpet bombing doesnt it

Proves that Israel is not carpet bombing fields

Proves nothing as the melons look as if they were caught in a fire that was not that long lived. Possibly a crop that was infected with a disease or pest and destroyed


No it proves nothing as you cant alter fate

 

[P F Tinmore]

Some dumbfuck always asks why they don't build their own economy.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Israel Delegitimising itself

 

[Hollie]

Israel Delegitimising itself

Yours are always the same excuses for Arab-Moslem ineptitude and incompetence.

"I blame the Jews"™

 

[Hollie]

10 years of Islamic terrorists hopelessly unwilling and unable to manage the civil affairs of government.

 

[Shusha]

Everybody has the right to life. If somebody shoots you does that mean you were too incompetent to exercise your right?

You can't have it both ways. If you exercise your right to "resist", then you are putting at risk your right to life. Because your right to "resist" does not eliminate the other's right to life and to defense. If you want to protect your right to life -- you don't go around waving a gun in people's faces.

So its not that the Gazans are incompetent to exercise their right to life -- they are actively, intentionally choosing to put that right to life aside in order to exercise their right to "resist". They are prioritizing their resistance over their lives. All they have to do is change their priorities.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Everybody has the right to life. If somebody shoots you does that mean you were too incompetent to exercise your right?

You can't have it both ways. If you exercise your right to "resist", then you are putting at risk your right to life. Because your right to "resist" does not eliminate the other's right to life and to defense. If you want to protect your right to life -- you don't go around waving a gun in people's faces.

So its not that the Gazans are incompetent to exercise their right to life -- they are actively, intentionally choosing to put that right to life aside in order to exercise their right to "resist". They are prioritizing their resistance over their lives. All they have to do is change their priorities.

So you think the Palestinians should just roll over and play dead while Israel steals all of their land?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Some dumbfuck always asks why they don't build their own economy.

Homemade rockets are expensive, eh Achmed?

 

[Hollie]

Everybody has the right to life. If somebody shoots you does that mean you were too incompetent to exercise your right?

You can't have it both ways. If you exercise your right to "resist", then you are putting at risk your right to life. Because your right to "resist" does not eliminate the other's right to life and to defense. If you want to protect your right to life -- you don't go around waving a gun in people's faces.

So its not that the Gazans are incompetent to exercise their right to life -- they are actively, intentionally choosing to put that right to life aside in order to exercise their right to "resist". They are prioritizing their resistance over their lives. All they have to do is change their priorities.

So you think the Palestinians should just roll over and play dead while Israel steals all of their land?

What the Arabs-Moslems should do is put an Islamic terrorist franchise into political office, support those terrorists in attempts at fulfilling the writ of an ancient, fascistic theocratic code and when Israel responds to acts of war waged by those Islamic terrorists from civilian areas and civilians are killed, you can flail your Pom Poms and cheer on the next islamo-beatdown.

You find dead Pal'istanians are worth their weight in propaganda, right?

 

[montelatici]

Everybody has the right to life. If somebody shoots you does that mean you were too incompetent to exercise your right?

You can't have it both ways. If you exercise your right to "resist", then you are putting at risk your right to life. Because your right to "resist" does not eliminate the other's right to life and to defense. If you want to protect your right to life -- you don't go around waving a gun in people's faces.

So its not that the Gazans are incompetent to exercise their right to life -- they are actively, intentionally choosing to put that right to life aside in order to exercise their right to "resist". They are prioritizing their resistance over their lives. All they have to do is change their priorities.

So you think the Palestinians should just roll over and play dead while Israel steals all of their land?

What the Arabs-Moslems should do is put an Islamic terrorist franchise into political office, support those terrorists in attempts at fulfilling the writ of an ancient, fascistic theocratic code and when Israel responds to acts of war waged by those Islamic terrorists from civilian areas and civilians are killed, you can flail your Pom Poms and cheer on the next islamo-beatdown.

You find dead Pal'istanians are worth their weight in propaganda, right?

With respect to Palestine, it would have to include Christian resistance fighters too, such as, for example, George Habash and his Christian fighters. So it would not be entirely Islamic. You need to modify your propaganda themes.

 

[Hollie]

Everybody has the right to life. If somebody shoots you does that mean you were too incompetent to exercise your right?

You can't have it both ways. If you exercise your right to "resist", then you are putting at risk your right to life. Because your right to "resist" does not eliminate the other's right to life and to defense. If you want to protect your right to life -- you don't go around waving a gun in people's faces.

So its not that the Gazans are incompetent to exercise their right to life -- they are actively, intentionally choosing to put that right to life aside in order to exercise their right to "resist". They are prioritizing their resistance over their lives. All they have to do is change their priorities.

So you think the Palestinians should just roll over and play dead while Israel steals all of their land?

What the Arabs-Moslems should do is put an Islamic terrorist franchise into political office, support those terrorists in attempts at fulfilling the writ of an ancient, fascistic theocratic code and when Israel responds to acts of war waged by those Islamic terrorists from civilian areas and civilians are killed, you can flail your Pom Poms and cheer on the next islamo-beatdown.

You find dead Pal'istanians are worth their weight in propaganda, right?

With respect to Palestine, it would have to include Christian resistance fighters too, such as, for example, George Habash and his Christian fighters. So it would not be entirely Islamic. You need to modify your propaganda themes.

With respect to the facts you're alienated against, George Habash and "his Christian fighters" who you have invented, he was barely a footnote in the long line of Arab-Moslem terrorists who have died, and caused others to die, in the fulfillment of gee-had.

 

[montelatici]

Hmm. George Habash, the founder of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) was barely a footnote? Shows how much research you do. LOL

 

[Hollie]

Hmm. George Habash, the founder of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) was barely a footnote? Shows how much research you do. LOL

Well, as your reading comprehension skills are lacking, it shows how little you actually comprehend. LOL.