Define: Person

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Is a 'person' an intelligent, logical human adult? A human with any measure of consciousness (self-awareness)?

What is a 'person' ? Can non-persons have rights? Can only humans be 'people'?
 
☭proletarian☭;1902813 said:
Is a 'person' an intelligent, logical human adult? A human with any measure of consciousness (self-awareness)?

What is a 'person' ? Can non-persons have rights? Can only humans be 'people'?

Only Humans at the moment are people. And it requires that to be termed a person. Babies are persons as well as unborn babies.
 
☭proletarian☭;1902813 said:
Is a 'person' an intelligent, logical human adult? A human with any measure of consciousness (self-awareness)?

What is a 'person' ? Can non-persons have rights? Can only humans be 'people'?

Yep. Corporations have been deemed to have personage, and thus human rights...such as freedom of speech.

-TSO
 
☭proletarian☭;1902813 said:
Is a 'person' an intelligent, logical human adult? A human with any measure of consciousness (self-awareness)?

What is a 'person' ? Can non-persons have rights? Can only humans be 'people'?

Only Humans at the moment are people. And it requires that to be termed a person. Babies are persons as well as unborn babies.

So a hypothetical race of intelligent extraterrestrials could never be 'persons'?

Can non-persons have rights?

Would a hypothetical deity with human-like thoughts be a 'person'? Would you interact with it as you would a person?
 
☭proletarian☭;1902864 said:
☭proletarian☭;1902813 said:
Is a 'person' an intelligent, logical human adult? A human with any measure of consciousness (self-awareness)?

What is a 'person' ? Can non-persons have rights? Can only humans be 'people'?

Only Humans at the moment are people. And it requires that to be termed a person. Babies are persons as well as unborn babies.

So a hypothetical race of intelligent extraterrestrials could never be 'persons'?

Can non-persons have rights?

Would a hypothetical deity with human-like thoughts be a 'person'? Would you interact with it as you would a person?

I said at the moment. Things could change. I seriously doubt any animals are likely to be made people though. Extraterrestrials probably.
 
☭proletarian☭;1902813 said:
Is a 'person' an intelligent, logical human adult? A human with any measure of consciousness (self-awareness)?

What is a 'person' ? Can non-persons have rights? Can only humans be 'people'?

Only Humans at the moment are people. And it requires that to be termed a person. Babies are persons as well as unborn babies.

What about a dead person?
 
☭proletarian☭;1902864 said:
Only Humans at the moment are people. And it requires that to be termed a person. Babies are persons as well as unborn babies.

So a hypothetical race of intelligent extraterrestrials could never be 'persons'?

Can non-persons have rights?

Would a hypothetical deity with human-like thoughts be a 'person'? Would you interact with it as you would a person?

I said at the moment. Things could change. I seriously doubt any animals are likely to be made people though. Extraterrestrials probably.
You're dodging.

What is a 'person'? What are the criteria such a race must meet?
 
We need to have a chat thread about the definition of a word now? Seriously? Definitely a sign that people are trying too damned hard to rationalize and justify themselves.
 
☭proletarian☭;1902813 said:
Is a 'person' an intelligent, logical human adult? A human with any measure of consciousness (self-awareness)?

What is a 'person' ? Can non-persons have rights? Can only humans be 'people'?

Yep. Corporations have been deemed to have personage, and thus human rights...such as freedom of speech.

-TSO
Quite true. See: Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

However, corporations are not the only legal fictions granted legal "personhood" status, under the auspices of that ruling. Trusts, LLCs and gubmints themselves all are all "persons", for the purposes of statutory law.
 
I would bet a stack...........no..........I'd bet my package, that if I was able to go into a time machine and visit the birthtime of the word person, it was just an empty, simple gesture creasted to say "human."


If the subject matter is so far over your head, I suggest keeping you mouth shut to avoid looking like a fool.
 
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I think I'll not expect some wannabe rapper to comprehend philosophical matters.
 
Question has no point. "People" who look for deeper meaning where no deeper meaning belongs are wasting their time. Language was created as a tool by human beings to communicate with one another, and person was a word to describe a human being, a homo sapien, and then philosophy and theology etc. (which obviously came *after said languages before being *written) developed their own spin-offs of the word.

I would bet a stack...........no..........I'd bet my package, that if I was able to go into a time machine and visit the birthtime of the word person, it was just an empty, simple gesture creasted to say "human."

Thinking your assumptions through is hard work, sometimes not much fun. We get it.

If the term person means just the same as human does, why then do we have two different words, here?

A little reflection makes it clear, I think, that the term 'person' is a moral category, and the term 'human' is a biological one. We are interested in what is a person, because it is persons that are the locus of our moral and ethical reflections, and legal stipulations.

A person is, essentially, a rights-bearing entity, one who we would typically hold had the capacity to function as a self-conscious, rational-moral actor. This property of being a "rights bearer," is not an function of the material being per se of the entity. So, you cannot open up a human being and point to where the "rights" are. Instead. rights, and the persons which are their bearers, are nonempirical (which is not to say, immaterial) phenomena.

Because 'person,' in contrast to 'human,' is a nonempirical phenomenon, we will find that being human is neither necessary nor sufficient for being a person. It is not sufficient, because in certain cases, a human can have lost all capacity to function as a rational-moral actor (in the case of severe brain trauma, let's say), and hence to have lost their personhood. It is not necessary, because it is entirely possible that the state of being a rational-moral actor can be reached by entities that are not homo sapiens sapiens.

The question of the OP is definitely a good one, and people here should take the time to think about it some more.
 
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