Zone1 Does the Human Soul have Consciousness?

[Dante]

Practical application is the process of using theoretical knowledge and skills in real-world situations to solve problems and achieve desired outcomes. It can involve applying concepts, theories, and models. Practical application is important in many fields.

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speak English please.

Stop tying so hard to appear educated. Just try making a point.

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[Dante]

How educated are you?

That all depends on so many variables as to be a useless and pathetic question.

 

[ding]

Nope.

You hijack

I'm speaking the truth. When one has truth on his side, he argues facts. When one has logic on his side, he argues reason. When one has neither, he does what you have been doing.

 

[ding]

speak English please.

Stop tying so hard to appear educated. Just try making a point.

free advice

later

I am speaking English and I have been making my points.

 

[ding]

That all depends on so many variables as to be a useless and pathetic question.

Not really. It's totally relevant considering your behavior in this discussion. I'm guessing that since you deflected the question, that you aren't proud of your education. I've got a degree in Engineering and have practiced engineering for over 38 years. Engineering is the PRACTICAL APPLICATION of science. So what's your background in science? Because if you have none, do you think it makes sense to be arguing with someone who does?

 

[ding]

Get a job writing text books

I made more from engineering.

 

[onefour1]

In LDS doctrine we believe that the intelligence (consciousness of man) is eternal. It has always existed.

Doctrine and Covenant 93:29
29 Man was also in the beginning with God. Intelligence, or the light of truth, was not created or made, neither indeed can be.

God then took our intelligences and through the process of procreation our intelligences entered into a spirit body which we believe is made of matter. Thus our spirits are the literal offspring of God.

Acts 17:28-29
28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device.

Doctrine and Covenants 131:7-8
7 There is no such thing as immaterial matter. All spirit is matter, but it is more fine or pure, and can only be discerned by purer eyes;
8 We cannot see it; but when our bodies are purified we shall see that it is all matter.

We then were allowed to take on a physical body of flesh and bones by being born into this world. Our physical bodies will die but our spirits are eternal in nature and continue to live and have consciousness. Jesus, after his death, went among the spirits of the dead and preached his gospel.

1 Peter 3:18-20
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

1 Peter 4:6
6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

Eventually our spirits will be reunited with an immortal resurrected body of flesh and bones to exist eternally.

1 Corinthians 15:20-22
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

Basically we have always has consciousness and we have existed as just intelligences, then spirits, then with physical bodies, then back to spirits, and finally we will all be resurrected to live eternally in immortal bodies of flesh and bones.

 

[Donald H]

In LDS doctrine we believe that the intelligence (consciousness of man) is eternal. It has always existed.

Doctrine and Covenant 93:29
29 Man was also in the beginning with God. Intelligence, or the light of truth, was not created or made, neither indeed can be.

God then took our intelligences and through the process of procreation our intelligences entered into a spirit body which we believe is made of matter. Thus our spirits are the literal offspring of God.

Acts 17:28-29
28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device.

Doctrine and Covenants 131:7-8
7 There is no such thing as immaterial matter. All spirit is matter, but it is more fine or pure, and can only be discerned by purer eyes;
8 We cannot see it; but when our bodies are purified we shall see that it is all matter.

We then were allowed to take on a physical body of flesh and bones by being born into this world. Our physical bodies will die but our spirits are eternal in nature and continue to live and have consciousness. Jesus, after his death, went among the spirits of the dead and preached his gospel.

1 Peter 3:18-20
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

1 Peter 4:6
6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

Eventually our spirits will be reunited with an immortal resurrected body of flesh and bones to exist eternally.

1 Corinthians 15:20-22
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

Basically we have always has consciousness and we have existed as just intelligences, then spirits, then with physical bodies, then back to spirits, and finally we will all be resurrected to live eternally in immortal bodies of flesh and bones.

Your religion is for the truly faithful and devoted, who refuse to backslide by accepting Darwin's evolution. LDS aren't afraid of accepting the risk of being ridiculed for being 'literal' believers!

Do you agree?

 

[BackAgain]

Yeah, where did we get the idea that we have a soul to begin with, and if it dies when the body gives out, then what's it good for, And if the body dies doesn't the energy die with it too? Is it mankind just not wanting death to be the end of him, so some energy remains and becomes part of the cosmos?

We either do or we don’t.

I can’t pretend to know.

But here’s the thing. Just because you doubt it doesn’t mean that we don’t.

And if a believer believes it wholeheartedly, that doesn’t mean that we do.

 

[The Irish Ram]

We either do or we don’t.

I can’t pretend to know.

But here’s the thing. Just because you doubt it doesn’t mean that we don’t.

And if a believer believes it wholeheartedly, that doesn’t mean that we do.

I don't doubt it for one second. I asked where the idea came from. It came from philosophy and religion. It started with the view of Pantheism, about 800 BC, that God is the universe and the universe is God. Modern religion says it is unique to the individual.

 

[BackAgain]

I don't doubt it for one second. I asked where the idea came from. It came from philosophy and religion. It started with the view of Pantheism, about 800 BC, that God is the universe and the universe is God. Modern religion says it is unique to the individual.

Since it is obviously not subject to any scientific “test,” and cannot be confirmed or denied, one can believe in the human soul or not.

I tend to believe it. But I know my belief isn’t subject to being confirmed or refuted.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Since it is obviously not subject to any scientific “test,” and cannot be confirmed or denied, one can believe in the human soul or not.

I tend to believe it. But I know my belief isn’t subject to being confirmed or refuted.

I believe it too, from the religious standpoint.
Scientists have yet to locate these big balls of cosmic energy we transform into at death, according to Pantheism.

 

[Donald H]

Since it is obviously not subject to any scientific “test,” and cannot be confirmed or denied, one can believe in the human soul or not.

I tend to believe it. But I know my belief isn’t subject to being confirmed or refuted.

The notion of a 'soul' can be believed but the belief can't contradict established scientific facts.
Be careful! The I.D.'ers made the mistake of challenging science and their belief system was destroyed in a court of law.

Faith based beliefs can be safely ignored by modern science, without having to face any such risk.

 

[BackAgain]

The notion of a 'soul' can be believed but the belief can't contradict established scientific facts.

There are no “established scientific facts” which can or do disprove the existence of a human soul.

I dispense with the balance of the Duck’s worthless post.

 

[onefour1]

Your religion is for the truly faithful and devoted, who refuse to backslide by accepting Darwin's evolution. LDS aren't afraid of accepting the risk of being ridiculed for being 'literal' believers!

Do you agree?

We believe the ridicule of those who ridicule is false and that the word of God is true and faithful. So yes, I would agree.

 

[ding]

The notion of a 'soul' can be believed but the belief can't contradict established scientific facts.
Be careful! The I.D.'ers made the mistake of challenging science and their belief system was destroyed in a court of law.

Faith based beliefs can be safely ignored by modern science, without having to face any such risk.

Was that from Karl Marx?

 

[Donald H]

We believe the ridicule of those who ridicule is false and that the word of God is true and faithful. So yes, I would agree.

Stick to that and don't sell out to Darwin as the Catholics have done. They actually accept Darwin's evolution and now there's no turning back.

They reject the big fish story with Jonah as hogwash, but some day the LDS'ers will establish the tale as being literally the true word of the god.

Blood transfusions can kill!

 

[ding]

Stick to that and don't sell out to Darwin as the Catholics have done. They actually accept Darwin's evolution and now there's no turning back.

They reject the big fish story with Jonah as hogwash, but some day the LDS'ers will establish the tale as being literally the true word of the god.

Blood transfusions can kill!

You read those accounts literally too, right Donny?