Decimated al Qaeda Captures Mosul & Tikrit Iraq

[IlarMeilyr]

Yup. al Qaeda has been decimated. And they just captured another Iraqi city.

It isn't Al Qaeda. They are ISIS (Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham). They have different goals than Al Qaeda and are trying to build a Caliphate within areas of Iraq and Syria.

They're the same guys you and the rest of the Republicans were attacking Obama for not arming in Syria.

Pure brilliance.

^ actual ignorance of the nexus between al qaeda and ISIS or feigned ignorance?

 

[bedowin62]

Yup. al Qaeda has been decimated. And they just captured another Iraqi city.

It isn't Al Qaeda. They are ISIS (Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham). They have different goals than Al Qaeda and are trying to build a Caliphate within areas of Iraq and Syria.

They're the same guys you and the rest of the Republicans were attacking Obama for not arming in Syria.

Pure brilliance.

no they are not the same guys you self-deceiving ignorant moron.
there were moderate factions opposing Assad in Syria; but due to Obama's waffling they are dead now; butchered in a 2-prong attack by Assad's government forces and more radical Islamists

 

[HenryBHough]

They could be pink spotted green coloured shamrock-worshiping leprechauns tearing things up and it would be the same. They're doing it because they know America is a toothless paper tiger willing only to use the power of apology. Until that changes nothing else will. Well, except for the worse.

 

[Jack203]

First of all - they're not al Qaeda!!! They are a group of Sunnis supported by Saudi Arabia [our ally] and Iran.

Iran?

Iran is Shiite, why would they support a Sunni uprising?

You are correct. Iran does not support Isis. Iran is calling for an international response against Isis.

The war hawks still have the pipe dream that Iran is next. They just make shit up as they go along and hope nobody is paying attention to their bullshit so that it sticks.

 

[bedowin62]

First of all - they're not al Qaeda!!! They are a group of Sunnis supported by Saudi Arabia [our ally] and Iran.

Iran?

Iran is Shiite, why would they support a Sunni uprising?

You are correct. Iran does not support Isis. Iran is calling for an international response against Isis.

The war hawks still have the pipe dream that Iran is next. They just make shit up as they go along and hope nobody is paying attention to their bullshit so that it sticks.

the whole world knows iran is building a nuke; except for left-wing nutjobs

and why would iran have a huge problem with anybody destabilizing Iraq; their hated Arab enemi

 

[mudwhistle]

First of all - they're not al Qaeda!!! They are a group of Sunnis supported by Saudi Arabia [our ally] and Iran.

Iran?

Iran is Shiite, why would they support a Sunni uprising?

You are correct. Iran does not support Isis. Iran is calling for an international response against Isis.

The war hawks still have the pipe dream that Iran is next. They just make shit up as they go along and hope nobody is paying attention to their bullshit so that it sticks.

Nope, next is Kuwait, and then Saudi Arabia.

Nobody wants Iran.

 

[Jack203]

Iran?

Iran is Shiite, why would they support a Sunni uprising?

You are correct. Iran does not support Isis. Iran is calling for an international response against Isis.

The war hawks still have the pipe dream that Iran is next. They just make shit up as they go along and hope nobody is paying attention to their bullshit so that it sticks.

the whole world knows iran is building a nuke; except for left-wing nutjobs

and why would iran have a huge problem with anybody destabilizing Iraq; their hated Arab enemi

Iran has strong relations with Iraqi Shiite Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki.

Read more: Iran officials call for international response to ISIS violence - Al-Monitor: the Pulse of the Middle East
Iran officials call for international response to ISIS violence - Al-Monitor: the Pulse of the Middle East

 

[bedowin62]

You are correct. Iran does not support Isis. Iran is calling for an international response against Isis.

The war hawks still have the pipe dream that Iran is next. They just make shit up as they go along and hope nobody is paying attention to their bullshit so that it sticks.

the whole world knows iran is building a nuke; except for left-wing nutjobs

and why would iran have a huge problem with anybody destabilizing Iraq; their hated Arab enemi

Iran has strong relations with Iraqi Shiite Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki.

Read more: Iran officials call for international response to ISIS violence - Al-Monitor: the Pulse of the Middle East
Iran officials call for international response to ISIS violence - Al-Monitor: the Pulse of the Middle East

that's great genius. have you been over there? I have

these people are the most duplicitous people on the planet; they live to play both sides of the coin

 

[Jack203]

that's great genius. have you been over there? I have

these people are the most duplicitous people on the planet; they live to play both sides of the coin

Iranians? The ones I work with are good people.

It should be obvious by now. The more tangled up and involved we get in the middle east, the worse it gets. The biggest mistake Obama made was not ending the Afghanistan war earlier.

 

[Samson]

Iran?

Iran is Shiite, why would they support a Sunni uprising?

You are correct. Iran does not support Isis. Iran is calling for an international response against Isis.

The war hawks still have the pipe dream that Iran is next. They just make shit up as they go along and hope nobody is paying attention to their bullshit so that it sticks.

Nope, next is Kuwait, and then Saudi Arabia.

Nobody wants Iran.

KSA is Sunni.

Why would Sunnis from Iraq attack KSA?

You haven't have even the faintest clue regarding the geography of the area.

 

[Samson]

iran?

Iran is shiite, why would they support a sunni uprising?

you are correct. Iran does not support isis. Iran is calling for an international response against isis.

The war hawks still have the pipe dream that iran is next. They just make shit up as they go along and hope nobody is paying attention to their bullshit so that it sticks.

the whole world knows iran is building a nuke; except for left-wing nutjobs

and why would iran have a huge problem with anybody destabilizing iraq; their hated arab enemi

Because Iraq is governed by shiites you idiot.

 

[bedowin62]

you are correct. Iran does not support isis. Iran is calling for an international response against isis.

The war hawks still have the pipe dream that iran is next. They just make shit up as they go along and hope nobody is paying attention to their bullshit so that it sticks.

the whole world knows iran is building a nuke; except for left-wing nutjobs

and why would iran have a huge problem with anybody destabilizing iraq; their hated arab enemi

Because Iraq is governed by shiites you idiot.

good one you idiot; what did nice old iran do to help the Iraqi government fight off sunne extremists when we were there?

 

[bedowin62]

like I said idiot; I was there; I have seen how they are

yes they are governed by Shiites; but they are all duplicitous; everybody there is playing both sides

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Obama took Operation Iraqi Freedom and turned into Operation Iraqi Clusterfuck

 

[JoeB131]

Obama took Operation Iraqi Freedom and turned into Operation Iraqi Clusterfuck

Actually, it was a clusterfuck from the word Go.

You know, when Bush sent in not enough troops with unarmored vehicles and paper mache bullet proof vests and Halliburton got rich selling faulty electrical work and $20.00 hamburgers and feces laden water.

Again, Frank, simple solution. You and all your Neo-Con pals need to form an Abraham Lincoln Brigade to go over there and show the Iraqis how it's done.

 

[mudwhistle]

Obama took Operation Iraqi Freedom and turned into Operation Iraqi Clusterfuck

Actually, it was a clusterfuck from the word Go.

You know, when Bush sent in not enough troops with unarmored vehicles and paper mache bullet proof vests and Halliburton got rich selling faulty electrical work and $20.00 hamburgers and feces laden water.

Again, Frank, simple solution. You and all your Neo-Con pals need to form an Abraham Lincoln Brigade to go over there and show the Iraqis how it's done.

All you're doing is repeating liberal bull shit.

You say you're a vet but you act like you don't know what is normal operating procedures. You're absolutely clueless.

 

[JoeB131]

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All you're doing is repeating liberal bull shit.

You say you're a vet but you act like you don't know what is normal operating procedures. You're absolutely clueless.

most of the equipment we had when I was in was Vietnam surplus.

But that wasn't the point I was making.

The Generals told Bush that we needed 500,000 troops to secure the country.

He went in with four divisions, and after Turkey said no to letting us invade from the north,
he went ahead anyway.

 

[mudwhistle]

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All you're doing is repeating liberal bull shit.

You say you're a vet but you act like you don't know what is normal operating procedures. You're absolutely clueless.

most of the equipment we had when I was in was Vietnam surplus.

But that wasn't the point I was making.

The Generals told Bush that we needed 500,000 troops to secure the country.

He went in with four divisions, and after Turkey said no to letting us invade from the north,
he went ahead anyway.

Oh, then we are supposed to let Turkey stop us?

The only reason Turkey said no was because they had been conspiring with Russia and Saddam to get what he had left out of the country and into Syria.

I guess you've never worked with other country's units before. They tend to be uncooperative at times. You can't let some stick in the mud dictate the mission. The reason our military is the best in the world is because we don't stop when somebody puts a up a little road-block. We adapt and continue on with the mission.

It's one thing to go to war on short notice and hit a snag, but yet another to go unprepared when you've already had screw ups and refused to correct them. Our military doesn't consist of 100% armored units. We only have a limited number of mech units. Somebody has to do the ground pounding. Somebody has to jump out of airplanes. Somebody has to do the unconventional warfare missions. They all can't have everything they imagined when they go in. It's how fast you adapt to changes that matter. If the frago mission calls for a Battalion of Abrams to take down a village, or artillery is needed, or maybe an airstrike is needed, you call it in. Mission failure is usually the fault of higher ups. If they refuse to provide you with what you need, when you need it, the mission usually fails. But still, you have to do your best to make it work. Some of these Muslim countries don't understand this. That is why Iraq is falling as we speak.

 

[mudwhistle]

Oh, and you were in during a peacetime Army.

Things have changed. All of that spending Bush did went to giving our troops more shit than I ever had while I was in, and now Obama is just pissing it all away.

 

[JoeB131]

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Oh, then we are supposed to let Turkey stop us?

The only reason Turkey said no was because they had been conspiring with Russia and Saddam to get what he had left out of the country and into Syria.

Well, that an 100% of their population was against slaughtering fellow Muslims. Oh, wait, it was ONLY about that. Most of the world thought invading Iraq was a horrible idea. Which is why most of our major allies didn't go along with it.

But, yeah, they were all conspiring to hide WMD's and make Bush look stupid.

[
I guess you've never worked with other country's units before. They tend to be uncooperative at times. You can't let some stick in the mud dictate the mission. The reason our military is the best in the world is because we don't stop when somebody puts a up a little road-block. We adapt and continue on with the mission.

I'm sure they did their very best. But here's the thing, all the Sticks in the Mud were right. Saddam didn't have WMD's. He didn't have an alliance with Al Qaeda. There was really no good reason to go in there, and everyone knew the country was going to collapse into chaos the moment we left.

[
It's one thing to go to war on short notice and hit a snag, but yet another to go unprepared when you've already had screw ups and refused to correct them. Our military doesn't consist of 100% armored units. We only have a limited number of mech units. Somebody has to do the ground pounding. Somebody has to jump out of airplanes. Somebody has to do the unconventional warfare missions. They all can't have everything they imagined when they go in. It's how fast you adapt to changes that matter. If the frago mission calls for a Battalion of Abrams to take down a village, or artillery is needed, or maybe an airstrike is needed, you call it in. Mission failure is usually the fault of higher ups. If they refuse to provide you with what you need, when you need it, the mission usually fail. But still, you have to do your best to make it work. Some of these Muslim countries don't understand this. That is why Iraq is falling as we speak.

Iraq is falling because Bush put a fellow idiot in charge.

Petreaus had the right idea. Bring the Sunnis into the government and have them have a stake.

Yes, Mission failure was the higher ups deciding to invade a country that wasn't our enemy over weapons that didn't exist without enough troops to get the job done.