Debt is Pushing the US Into Fascism

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As long as we keep electing wealthy men to lead the nation, the gap between the average worker and the rich guy is going to grow regardless if party. But oh my one is not to talk about class division. I call bull on that.
I would disagree with that.

We elected a non-wealthy person, namely Obama who was a community organizer, and the result was a poorer America.

The worst thing we can do is elect poor people to office, who have never worked or succeeded in the market, and have no idea what a hard days work is, or what making your own money is, or how the economy works.

Trump for his flaws, understand because he's lived it, that high corporate taxes for example, result in corporations investing outside the country.

Obama was never that smart, because he's never run a business of any kind in his entire life.

That moron, even asked Steve Jobs, if they would bring iPhone production to the US... proving he had no clue why iPhones were outsourced to begin with.

And of course he didn't have a clue. He's never done anything profitable in his life. How could he possibly know, when he's never made so much as a glass lemonade and sold it?

The problem isn't voting for wealthy people. The problem is voting for ignorant people.
 

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Ok that's all fine but then when people say it's bad to bring up class division that is not true. We are divided by class. What is wrong with saying it?
I don't think we are. Most wealthy people are first generation rich. Many of the people in public office, were not from the 'upper class'. In fact, Obama himself proves we are not divided by class.

I was reading about a guy from Egypt. In Egypt they have a class based society. There are some other places too, but Egypt is far worse than people realize.

In Egypt, you can not run for public office, unless you are part of the correct class. AOC, if she was in Egypt, would never have won an election for political office, if you are not part of the correct class... you simply can't.

Same with business. If you want to be CEO of a company, first before you worry about education or investors or having business skills... you worry about what class you are in.

If you are born in the lower class, you stay there. There is no working out of your garage and building a business. You are born lower class, you stay lower class, and you'll die lower class.

There is no whittling duck callers in your back yard, and building a Duck Commander company.

There is no making drones in a cooking oven, and selling them, and starting a drone building company.

You can't do it in Egypt unless they let you do it, and they won't let you do it, unless you are part of the upper class.

We don't have any of that here. We are class-less society. The poor people of yesterday, are the rich people of today. And poor of today, can be the rich of tomorrow.

Even an utterly ignorant and completely foolish bar tenders, can run for office and become part of the US congress, while spouting off that she is going to "Spend" a "Tax deduction" on schools and health care.

Only in America can that happen.

Honestly, if you think about how the UK elections work, that can't even happen in the UK.

Only in American can a brainless bimbo, end up a Congresswoman.
 
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Greece was far more Trumpian than Obaman
Trump and Obama enforced neoliberalism.
Greece was among their many victims:

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https://truthout.org/articles/neoliberalism-as-social-necrophilia-the-case-of-greece/

“You can use the 600 Euros that you will find on me to pay our health insurance. I paid the rent yesterday. I am sorry, my daughter, I could not take more suffering just to put a warm plate on the table – a bloody plate. Make sure that our daughter goes to college and never leave her alone. She should get the house that we have in the village.”

"This is the suicide note of a 50-year-old woman to her husband..."
 

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Greece was far more Trumpian than Obaman
Trump and Obama enforced neoliberalism.
Greece was among their many victims:

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Neoliberalism as Social Necrophilia: The Case of Greece

“You can use the 600 Euros that you will find on me to pay our health insurance. I paid the rent yesterday. I am sorry, my daughter, I could not take more suffering just to put a warm plate on the table – a bloody plate. Make sure that our daughter goes to college and never leave her alone. She should get the house that we have in the village.”

"This is the suicide note of a 50-year-old woman to her husband..."
How is that neoliberalism?

How did Trump or Obama force that on them?

They didn't. The greeks voted for free stuff, and like all socialism, ran out of other people's money.

They did that to themselves. They spent money they couldn't afford. They choose to bankrupt their nation. They looted themselves, until there was nothing left to loot, and bankruptcy followed.

They did everything that left-wingers here in America said. They increased government spending. They funded mass transit. They funded free health care. They funded pensions. They funded education.

The result was destruction of the entire country.

There is not one single decision made by the Greek people, with the Greek government, that you can blame on Obama, or Trump, or anyone.

The only thing you can blame for that.... is socialism. Socialism never works. Never works.

You eventually run out of other people's money. And the same will happen here in the US, and people like you will be killing yourselves, when There is no medicare, and social security.
 
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"With the money that these tax cheats owe"

How do you know they owe anything?
Because some of them wouldn't be rich otherwise:

Trends in the Internal Revenue Service’s Funding and Enforcement | Congressional Budget Office

"The Internal Revenue Service (IRS) collected $3.5 trillion in taxes in 2018, nearly 95 percent of total federal revenues.

"To do so, it relied largely on taxpayers to report their income, calculate the amount of tax they owed, and remit that amount to the IRS through withholding or other payments. However, some taxpayers have failed to pay hundreds of billions of dollars in taxes, the IRS estimates.

"Policymakers have expressed interest in how changes in IRS funding, particularly for enforcement of tax laws, could increase the federal government’s tax revenues."
 

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Audit 10% of all returns over $500,000 and 100% of all returns over $10,000,000.

Predators go where the prey is, and why go after minnows when you can get fat salmon full of roe.
 
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Moreover, why would I want to provide free schooling to people? I had to work for my schooling. Why should other people get schooling for free?
Free education means more low-income students reach graduation. Trillion$ of student debt will no longer serve as a burden on graduates and overall consumption. More people would go to college and pick majors they prefer. More educated people means society can solve problems better. A better educated electorate wouldn't be as likely to vote for senile geezers like Trump or Biden. What's not to like?
 

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Anyone who opposes free public education is close to having a learning disability.

Want to get a hold of debt and deficit? Go after DOD and perpetual warfare.
 
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Audit 10% of all returns over $500,000 and 100% of all returns over $10,000,000.

Predators go where the prey is, and why go after minnows when you can get fat salmon full of roe.
The problem with auditing big returns is the IRS must rely on the individual filing those returns to accurately report all taxable income unlike wage earners whose employers report those numbers. Perhaps another example of the best government money can buy?
 
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The USPS is a garbage service, that has costed the tax payers billions of dollars every year, and is terrible. Absolutely terrible. You get better service from DHL, UPS, and Fedex, than you do from the USPS.
Because congress requires USPS to fully fund retirements for employees 75 years into the future. Compared to the waste and fraud at the Pentagon, USPS is a bargain.
 
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ur medical staff is well paid, and well equipped, and the pandemic is a joke. At this point, the death rate is lower than that of the flu. We don't need to destroy the economy, to fund stupidity
Was he lying about this too?

200,000 dead because Trump was stupid enough to think he could gaslight a virus.
 
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Couple of things. First, there was no transfer of money from working people to Wall Street.

Never happened. Name one worker anywhere, that had his bank account confiscated by Wall Street.
Millions of Americans lost their homes to Wall Street between 2007 to 2010 which helps explain why this has happened over the last half-century:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-p...ring-roaring-twenties-according-new-research/

"The 400 richest Americans — the top 0.00025 percent of the population — have tripled their share of the nation’s wealth since the early 1980s, according to a new working paper on wealth inequality by University of California at Berkeley economist Gabriel Zucman."
 
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“It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own interest. We address ourselves, not to their humanity but to their self-love, and never talk to them of our necessities but of their advantages.”
You filthy lying scum are doing all the pushing.
 

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Couple of things. First, there was no transfer of money from working people to Wall Street.

Never happened. Name one worker anywhere, that had his bank account confiscated by Wall Street.
Millions of Americans lost their homes to Wall Street between 2007 to 2010 which helps explain why this has happened over the last half-century:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-p...ring-roaring-twenties-according-new-research/

"The 400 richest Americans — the top 0.00025 percent of the population — have tripled their share of the nation’s wealth since the early 1980s, according to a new working paper on wealth inequality by University of California at Berkeley economist Gabriel Zucman."
Another proud achievement of black jesus, people losing their homes, what a pos.
 

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Couple of things. First, there was no transfer of money from working people to Wall Street.

Never happened. Name one worker anywhere, that had his bank account confiscated by Wall Street.
Millions of Americans lost their homes to Wall Street between 2007 to 2010 which helps explain why this has happened over the last half-century:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-p...ring-roaring-twenties-according-new-research/

"The 400 richest Americans — the top 0.00025 percent of the population — have tripled their share of the nation’s wealth since the early 1980s, according to a new working paper on wealth inequality by University of California at Berkeley economist Gabriel Zucman."
Millions of Americans lost their homes to Wall Street between 2007 to 2010

You mean the ones who never should have bought homes?

the top 0.00025 percent of the population — have tripled their share of the nation’s wealth since the early 1980s

The nation's wealth? No such thing.
 

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