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Jarvis is paying. He is sitting on Death Row now. Every day he faces the possibility of his execution.
That does not mean that his life is meaningless or that socieity is better served through his death.
He is doing a whole lot of people a lot of good.
are his organs in good shape? if they are, let's harvest them so he can help people who deserve it. we can kill him first, of course.
Why kill them first, it's better to use them fresh anyway. Make that the cause of his death. *sage nod*
The death penalty is morally, socially and spiritually wrong. It is not a good measure of strength, neither does it settle the issue of crime. It is just the bloody thirst of some to feel that killing a criminal would ease their pains.
No one should encourage crime. In fact, society should be very firm on crime, but must address the issue from the point of civilized solution and not follow the narrow path of the criminal tendencies itself. Anyone that supports the death penalty is in support of organized killing. Society for no reason must not be a murderer and supporting such is wrong.
Society or the laws must never be weak, but true strength if anyone truly wants to know comes from the inside. When you forgive and help the criminal to recover their true value and position, you have used one stone to kill many birds. One, you have save a life and may have turn the light to a generation that would bless the world and two, the true enemy is disgraced and exposed, who is the evil spirit. Let us concentrate more on how to fight the evil spirit out of our systems by encouraging good values and taking godly positions.
Hate the sin and not the sinner. Strength is to give life and not to take life. The criminal was wrong for whatever he or she did, but society must show an example of what is right by doing the right thing. Punish the criminal severely within civilized laws, killing the criminal is not civilized.
Wrong, as usual.
The death penalty is punishment, dunce. It isn't supposed to be a measurement of strength.
It most certainly settles the issue of crime. A criminal put to death will never commit another crime.
See how easy that is?
Wrong, as usual.
The death penalty is punishment, dunce. It isn't supposed to be a measurement of strength.
It most certainly settles the issue of crime. A criminal put to death will never commit another crime.
See how easy that is?
Unfortunately, an innocent person put to death cannot be revived. So that clouds the issue.
I'm done discussing this.
I'm done discussing this.
Why?
I thought the point of this forum was to "discuss" things.
CaféAuLait;1073419 said:I'm done discussing this.
Why?
I thought the point of this forum was to "discuss" things.
Must be hard to continue to defend someone who was sent to prison of FORTY counts of violent armed robbery.. forty freaking counts of VIOLENT armed robbery by the age of 18!!! Of course there is no way this man supplied the weapon to kill the guard and conspired to kill the guardhe is just simply too nice. /sarcasm
Sky Dancers link to Jarvis story.
Sentient Times Feb/Mar 06
CaféAuLait;1073419 said:Why?
I thought the point of this forum was to "discuss" things.
Must be hard to continue to defend someone who was sent to prison of FORTY counts of violent armed robbery.. forty freaking counts of VIOLENT armed robbery by the age of 18!!! Of course there is no way this man supplied the weapon to kill the guard and conspired to kill the guardhe is just simply too nice. /sarcasm
Sky Dancers link to Jarvis story.
Sentient Times Feb/Mar 06
Don't be silly. We're just a bunch of big meanies who just don't understand. We're probably not fit to kiss his boots.
Burp,
You are a very sad person.
Really?
Tell me then, remember that bad guy with the gun who broke into your house? The one who you would do anything to protect your family?
My home has never been broken into. I don't live in that type of neighbourhood. But if it were I don't think the robber would "do anything to protect your family".
Let's imagine for a moment that he was able to kill your 9 year old child (God forbid) before you could get the gun and stop him. But you don't kill him.
He stands trial and is convicted on one count of Second Degree Murder. He recieves a mandatory life sentence without the possibility of parole for 10-25 years.
Twelve years later, he applies and is granted parole.
Your child would be 21...ready to get married, start a family perhaps. Or be in college with just a couple of years left before possibly becoming a doctor or architect.
But it's not to be. Your child is dead.
And your child's murderer is walking the streets.
This is ok with you?
Your's is a hypothetical situation that is used over and over by the right-wing wackjobs of society. It certainly would not be Ok with me and I probably would kill him but that is revenge not justice. We are civilized people, most of us anyway, and we have Courts to deal with criminals. We don't exercise revenge punishment.
My repsonse is in bold type:
Burp,
You are a very sad person.
Really?
Tell me then, remember that bad guy with the gun who broke into your house? The one who you would do anything to protect your family?
My home has never been broken into. I don't live in that type of neighbourhood. But if it were I don't think the robber would "do anything to protect your family".
Let's imagine for a moment that he was able to kill your 9 year old child (God forbid) before you could get the gun and stop him. But you don't kill him.
He stands trial and is convicted on one count of Second Degree Murder. He recieves a mandatory life sentence without the possibility of parole for 10-25 years.
Twelve years later, he applies and is granted parole.
Your child would be 21...ready to get married, start a family perhaps. Or be in college with just a couple of years left before possibly becoming a doctor or architect.
But it's not to be. Your child is dead.
And your child's murderer is walking the streets.
This is ok with you?
Your's is a hypothetical situation that is used over and over by the right-wing wackjobs of society. It certainly would not be Ok with me and I probably would kill him but that is revenge not justice. We are civilized people, most of us anyway, and we have Courts to deal with criminals. We don't exercise revenge punishment.
Why kill them first, it's better to use them fresh anyway. Make that the cause of his death. *sage nod*
Wow ... did Yukon say "I don't live in that kind of neighborhood" and I missed it? Damn ... I hope I get over this illness soon.
Yukon, you do realize that most crimes occur in exactly "that kind of neighborhood" ... the kind where everyone feels safest. Ever listen to the people interviewed when a major crime occurs? They ALWAYS say "I can't believe it happened here" ... ever wonder exactly why that happens a lot? Think about it before you try to reply. The safest neighborhoods are those right next to prisons.
CaféAuLait;1078842 said:Wow ... did Yukon say "I don't live in that kind of neighborhood" and I missed it? Damn ... I hope I get over this illness soon.
Yukon, you do realize that most crimes occur in exactly "that kind of neighborhood" ... the kind where everyone feels safest. Ever listen to the people interviewed when a major crime occurs? They ALWAYS say "I can't believe it happened here" ... ever wonder exactly why that happens a lot? Think about it before you try to reply. The safest neighborhoods are those right next to prisons.
I wonder what kind of neighborhood is "that kind of neighborhood"?
Why kill them first, it's better to use them fresh anyway. Make that the cause of his death. *sage nod*
You are a very distubed and hate filled individual. The type of person who is most likely very lonely, deprived of love and affection, one who pines away with hate. How sad you are, how truly pathetic you are.
CaféAuLait;1078842 said:Wow ... did Yukon say "I don't live in that kind of neighborhood" and I missed it? Damn ... I hope I get over this illness soon.
Yukon, you do realize that most crimes occur in exactly "that kind of neighborhood" ... the kind where everyone feels safest. Ever listen to the people interviewed when a major crime occurs? They ALWAYS say "I can't believe it happened here" ... ever wonder exactly why that happens a lot? Think about it before you try to reply. The safest neighborhoods are those right next to prisons.
I wonder what kind of neighborhood is "that kind of neighborhood"?
Whoa ... on deeper thought that could be a very ... um .. racist neighborhood, or some other sort of segregation.
CaféAuLait;1078863 said:CaféAuLait;1078842 said:I wonder what kind of neighborhood is "that kind of neighborhood"?
Whoa ... on deeper thought that could be a very ... um .. racist neighborhood, or some other sort of segregation.
Exactly what I thought. Hummmm
I wonder if these 5 people in Kansas thought they lived in "that kind of neighborhood"?
These people were forced to rape the women in the house with guns trianed on them then the women were forced to have sex with each other then they were all shot in a field in the back of the head-- one woman survived... Hair Clip That Saved a Life....
The Wichita Horror, the brutal murders by Jonathan and Reginald Carr -- The Crime Library - Crime Library on truTV.com
Evil men
CaféAuLait;1078863 said:Whoa ... on deeper thought that could be a very ... um .. racist neighborhood, or some other sort of segregation.
Exactly what I thought. Hummmm
I wonder if these 5 people in Kansas thought they lived in "that kind of neighborhood"?
These people were forced to rape the women in the house with guns trianed on them then the women were forced to have sex with each other then they were all shot in a field in the back of the head-- one woman survived... Hair Clip That Saved a Life....
The Wichita Horror, the brutal murders by Jonathan and Reginald Carr -- The Crime Library - Crime Library on truTV.com
Evil men
Hell, our "Green River Murderer" was in "that kind of neighborhood" most of his life, the kind that Yukon thinks is safe.
My repsonse is in bold type:
Burp,
You are a very sad person.
Really?
Tell me then, remember that bad guy with the gun who broke into your house? The one who you would do anything to protect your family?
My home has never been broken into. I don't live in that type of neighbourhood. But if it were I don't think the robber would "do anything to protect your family".
Let's imagine for a moment that he was able to kill your 9 year old child (God forbid) before you could get the gun and stop him. But you don't kill him.
He stands trial and is convicted on one count of Second Degree Murder. He recieves a mandatory life sentence without the possibility of parole for 10-25 years.
Twelve years later, he applies and is granted parole.
Your child would be 21...ready to get married, start a family perhaps. Or be in college with just a couple of years left before possibly becoming a doctor or architect.
But it's not to be. Your child is dead.
And your child's murderer is walking the streets.
This is ok with you?
Your's is a hypothetical situation that is used over and over by the right-wing wackjobs of society. It certainly would not be Ok with me and I probably would kill him but that is revenge not justice. We are civilized people, most of us anyway, and we have Courts to deal with criminals. We don't exercise revenge punishment.
