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We've had them for quite some time now:
So...private insurance companies deciding who lives and who dies is evil.
Government deciding who lives and who dies is good and righteous and holy.
That about cover it?
Oh, but J, the government has your best interests at heart, and will seek only to provide you the best care available, no matter the expense.We've had them for quite some time now:
So...private insurance companies deciding who lives and who dies is evil.
Government deciding who lives and who dies is good and righteous and holy.
That about cover it?
Thats bull you can't sue the government insurance companies can be sued
There is a certain jaundiced view, here on this board, characterized by those individuals who will defend any and every pronouncement, and directive because the origin of said device is their chosen political party or political hero.
So, earlier this year these fools pointed and cackled about those of us characterizing aspects of the so-called healthcare plan as a Death Panel.
Yes you know who you are, fool.
1. First the Death Panel cut costs as follows: Two years ago the task force recommended that women in their 40s should no longer get routine mammograms, triggering controversy. The recommendation to avoid the PSA test is even more forceful and applies to healthy men of all ages. Health | Healthy men shouldn't get protest test, panel says | Seattle Times Newspaper
2. Now, Healthy men should no longer receive a PSA blood test to screen for prostate cancer because the test does not save lives overall and often leads to more tests and treatments that needlessly cause pain, impotence and incontinence in many, a key government health panel has decided.
The draft recommendation by the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force, due for official release next week, is based on the results of five well-controlled clinical trials and could substantially change the care given to men 50 and older.Ibid.
3. Interviewed about this development, was Dr. David Samadi, a board certified urologic oncologist trained in open traditional and laparoscopic surgery and is an expert in robotic prostatectomy surgery. He is the Vice Chairman, Department of Urology, and Chief of Robotics and Minimally Invasive Surgery at the Mount Sinai Medical Center in New York City. He has dedicated his distinguished career to the early detection, diagnosis and treatment of prostate cancer and is considered one of the most prominent surgeons in his field.
a. In the interview, he expressed disappointment, if not surprise, explaining that these tests save lives. 40s and 50s are far from old, and these tests are the reason why Americas medical care, in the area of cancer detection and treatment is far superior to nations with socialized medicine.
b. Dr. Samadi predicted that colonoscopies would be next on the panels list.
4. This development cannot be fully understood without realizing that leftist political philosophies do not honor human life. This leftist President actually appointed an advocate of widespread sterilization, and depopulation, Dr. John Holdren, as his 'science advisor.'
He enrolled Communitarians on his healthcare advisory panel, such as Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, a health policy advisor in the Office of Management and Budget and brother of Rahm Emanuel, the president's chief of staff is one of those responsible for inserting into the healthcare bill the ideas that we no longer should have rights, such as determining what care we can buy, or how long we should live, and doctors should no longer look to the Hippocratic Oath, and the particular patient, but neglect the patient in the interests of social justice, and the society as a whole.
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a. The study further explains how several provisions of Obamacare give insurers, doctors, and hospitals incentives to deny and ration health care to patients. The American Spectator : The Obamacare Disaster
b. "...a study based on data from 1993 through 1997 found lower cancer survival rates among Canadians than among Americans." Chen VW, Howe HL, Wu XC, Hotes JL, Correa CN (eds). Cancer in North America, 1993-1997. Volume Two: Mortality. Springfield, IL: North American Association of Central Cancer Registries, April 2000
Death Panels are alive and well.
There is a certain jaundiced view, here on this board, characterized by those individuals who will defend any and every pronouncement, and directive because the origin of said device is their chosen political party or political hero.
So, earlier this year these fools pointed and cackled about those of us characterizing aspects of the so-called healthcare plan as a “Death Panel.”
Yes…you know who you are, fool.
1. First the “Death Panel cut costs as follows: “Two years ago the task force recommended that women in their 40s should no longer get routine mammograms, triggering controversy. The recommendation to avoid the PSA test is even more forceful and applies to healthy men of all ages.” Health | Healthy men shouldn't get protest test, panel says | Seattle Times Newspaper
2. Now, “Healthy men should no longer receive a PSA blood test to screen for prostate cancer because the test does not save lives overall and often leads to more tests and treatments that needlessly cause pain, impotence and incontinence in many, a key government health panel has decided.
The draft recommendation by the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force, due for official release next week, is based on the results of five well-controlled clinical trials and could substantially change the care given to men 50 and older.”Ibid.
3. Interviewed about this development, was Dr. David Samadi, a board certified urologic oncologist trained in open traditional and laparoscopic surgery and is an expert in robotic prostatectomy surgery. He is the Vice Chairman, Department of Urology, and Chief of Robotics and Minimally Invasive Surgery at the Mount Sinai Medical Center in New York City. He has dedicated his distinguished career to the early detection, diagnosis and treatment of prostate cancer and is considered one of the most prominent surgeons in his field.
a. In the interview, he expressed disappointment, if not surprise, explaining that these tests save lives. 40’s and 50’s are far from ‘old,’ and these tests are the reason why America’s medical care, in the area of cancer detection and treatment is far superior to nations with socialized medicine.
b. Dr. Samadi predicted that colonoscopies would be next on the panel’s list.
4. This development cannot be fully understood without realizing that leftist political philosophies do not honor human life. This leftist President actually appointed an advocate of widespread sterilization, and depopulation, Dr. John Holdren, as his 'science advisor.'
He enrolled Communitarians on his healthcare advisory panel, such as Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, a health policy advisor in the Office of Management and Budget and brother of Rahm Emanuel, the president's chief of staff…”is one of those responsible for inserting into the “healthcare bill” the ideas that we no longer should have rights, such as determining what care we can buy, or how long we should live, and doctors should no longer look to the Hippocratic Oath, and the particular patient, but neglect the patient in the interests of ‘social justice,’ and the society as a whole.
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a. The study further explains how several provisions of Obamacare give insurers, doctors, and hospitals incentives to deny and ration health care to patients. The American Spectator : The Obamacare Disaster
b. "...a study based on data from 1993 through 1997 found lower cancer survival rates among Canadians than among Americans." Chen VW, Howe HL, Wu XC, Hotes JL, Correa CN (eds). Cancer in North America, 1993-1997. Volume Two: Mortality. Springfield, IL: North American Association of Central Cancer Registries, April 2000
Death Panels are alive and well.
Why, they certainly are. My health care people stated they did not see the reason for prostate exams for me because it usually takes ten years to die of that cancer, and I was already nearly 70. Since my people regularly live to 90 and beyond, I told them what I thought of that attitude, and got the test done.
Today, with a private health care system, the US pays double per capita what many others do for that system, and fails to cover all of it's citizens. Not only that, the results, both at the beginning of life, and the end of life, are inferiour to those of other industrial nations.
Our present system emphasizes expensive cures, rather than inexpensive prevention. Results count, and the results of our present system are far inferior to those of Canada, Germany, Taiwan, and Japan, just to name a few.
There is a certain jaundiced view, here on this board, characterized by those individuals who will defend any and every pronouncement, and directive because the origin of said device is their chosen political party or political hero.
So, earlier this year these fools pointed and cackled about those of us characterizing aspects of the so-called healthcare plan as a “Death Panel.”
Yes…you know who you are, fool.
1. First the “Death Panel cut costs as follows: “Two years ago the task force recommended that women in their 40s should no longer get routine mammograms, triggering controversy. The recommendation to avoid the PSA test is even more forceful and applies to healthy men of all ages.” Health | Healthy men shouldn't get protest test, panel says | Seattle Times Newspaper
2. Now, “Healthy men should no longer receive a PSA blood test to screen for prostate cancer because the test does not save lives overall and often leads to more tests and treatments that needlessly cause pain, impotence and incontinence in many, a key government health panel has decided.
The draft recommendation by the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force, due for official release next week, is based on the results of five well-controlled clinical trials and could substantially change the care given to men 50 and older.”Ibid.
3. Interviewed about this development, was Dr. David Samadi, a board certified urologic oncologist trained in open traditional and laparoscopic surgery and is an expert in robotic prostatectomy surgery. He is the Vice Chairman, Department of Urology, and Chief of Robotics and Minimally Invasive Surgery at the Mount Sinai Medical Center in New York City. He has dedicated his distinguished career to the early detection, diagnosis and treatment of prostate cancer and is considered one of the most prominent surgeons in his field.
a. In the interview, he expressed disappointment, if not surprise, explaining that these tests save lives. 40’s and 50’s are far from ‘old,’ and these tests are the reason why America’s medical care, in the area of cancer detection and treatment is far superior to nations with socialized medicine.
b. Dr. Samadi predicted that colonoscopies would be next on the panel’s list.
4. This development cannot be fully understood without realizing that leftist political philosophies do not honor human life. This leftist President actually appointed an advocate of widespread sterilization, and depopulation, Dr. John Holdren, as his 'science advisor.'
He enrolled Communitarians on his healthcare advisory panel, such as Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, a health policy advisor in the Office of Management and Budget and brother of Rahm Emanuel, the president's chief of staff…”is one of those responsible for inserting into the “healthcare bill” the ideas that we no longer should have rights, such as determining what care we can buy, or how long we should live, and doctors should no longer look to the Hippocratic Oath, and the particular patient, but neglect the patient in the interests of ‘social justice,’ and the society as a whole.
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a. The study further explains how several provisions of Obamacare give insurers, doctors, and hospitals incentives to deny and ration health care to patients. The American Spectator : The Obamacare Disaster
b. "...a study based on data from 1993 through 1997 found lower cancer survival rates among Canadians than among Americans." Chen VW, Howe HL, Wu XC, Hotes JL, Correa CN (eds). Cancer in North America, 1993-1997. Volume Two: Mortality. Springfield, IL: North American Association of Central Cancer Registries, April 2000
Death Panels are alive and well.
Why, they certainly are. My health care people stated they did not see the reason for prostate exams for me because it usually takes ten years to die of that cancer, and I was already nearly 70. Since my people regularly live to 90 and beyond, I told them what I thought of that attitude, and got the test done.
Today, with a private health care system, the US pays double per capita what many others do for that system, and fails to cover all of it's citizens. Not only that, the results, both at the beginning of life, and the end of life, are inferiour to those of other industrial nations.
Our present system emphasizes expensive cures, rather than inexpensive prevention. Results count, and the results of our present system are far inferior to those of Canada, Germany, Taiwan, and Japan, just to name a few.
If America really has the superior healthcare system that "PoliticalChic" would have us believe, then why according to the CIA World Factbook, does every other nation mentioned in the "10 Surprising Facts about American Health Care" have an average life expectancy exceeding their US counterparts?..... Life expectancy at birth is also a measure of overall quality of life in a country and summarizes the mortality at all ages. It can also be thought of as indicating the potential return on investment in human capital .....
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2102rank.html
If America really has the superior healthcare system that "PoliticalChic" would have us believe, then why according to the CIA World Factbook, does every other nation mentioned in the "10 Surprising Facts about American Health Care" have an average life expectancy exceeding their US counterparts?..... Life expectancy at birth is also a measure of overall quality of life in a country and summarizes the mortality at all ages. It can also be thought of as indicating the potential return on investment in human capital .....
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2102rank.html
Rank - Nation - Life Expectancy
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10. Italy (81.77 years)
12. Canada (81.38 years)
15. Switzerland (81.07 years)
25. Norway (80.29 years)
27. Germany (80.07 years)
28. United Kingdom (80.05 years)
35. Netherlands (79.68 years)
50. USA (78.37 years)
What the ""10 Surprising Facts" and "PoliticalChic" fail to mention are the approximately 50 million Americans without medical insurance who can't afford to access the US healthcare system and are therefore effectively excluded from the statistics!
Life Expectancy. Another frequently cited statistic is that according to the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development, the U.S. ranks 18th among 30 world democracies in life expectancy. However, health care is not the only factor in life expectancy. If you correct for two causes of death not directly related to health carehomicides and automobile accidentsthe U.S. actually rises to the top of the list for life expectancy.
Infant Mortality. The UN ranks the U.S. 163rd out of 195 countries in comparing infant mortality rates. However, in measuring these rates, the U.S. includes all deaths after live birth and defines births as live if newborns show any sign of life, regardless of prematurity. By contrast, Austria and Germany include only deaths of infants who weigh at least one pound at birth. In Belgium and France, the deaths of infants born after less than 26 weeks of pregnancy are not included. Moreover, many other countries do not reliably register babies who die soon after birth.
Specific Diseases. When you compare the outcomes for specific diseases, the U.S. clearly outperforms the rest of the world. According to the U.S. National Cancer Institute and the International Agency for Research on Cancer, five-year survival rates for all of the five most common types of cancer are better in the U.S. than in European countries.
Medical Innovation. Moreover, the U.S. drives the bulk of worldwide research and innovation related to health care. A study by Michael Tanner concludes, Eighteen of the last 25 winners of the Nobel Prize in Medicine are either U.S. citizens or individuals working here. U.S. companies have developed half of all new major medicines introduced worldwide over the past 20 years. In fact, Americans played a key role in 80 percent of the most important medical advances of the past 30 years. ... [A]dvanced medical technology is far more available in the United States than in nearly any other country.
Even under the WHO rankings, the U.S. is rated first in responsiveness to patients needs in choice of provider, dignity, autonomy, timely care, and confidentiality. Despite genuine problems of distribution and utilization of preventive care, overall, in comparison with other countries U.S. health care is faster, more effective, and more advanced.
Inaccurate Grounds for Calling U.S. Health Care Inferior
CONCLUSION
Eat and drink what you like.
Speaking English is apparently what kills you.
If "Death Panels Alive and Well " as "PoliticalChic" claims, they are most active in Republican/Tea Party states which have the lowest life expectancies in the nation - US average age expectancy is 78 years.Table: U.S. States Ranked by Life Expectancy (US average life expectancy is 78 years)
Rank - State - Life Expectancy
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41 Georgia (75.3 years)
42 Kentucky (75.2 years)
43 Arkansas (75.2 years)
44 Oklahoma (75.2 years)
45 Tennessee (75.1 years)
46 West Virginia (75.1 years)
47 South Carolina (74.8 years)
48 Alabama (74.4 years)
49 Louisiana (74.2 years)
50 Mississippi (73.6 years)
Data: Harvard University Initiative for Global Health and the Harvard School of Public Health
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_life_expectancy
There is a certain jaundiced view, here on this board, characterized by those individuals who will defend any and every pronouncement, and directive because the origin of said device is their chosen political party or political hero.
So, earlier this year these fools pointed and cackled about those of us characterizing aspects of the so-called healthcare plan as a Death Panel.
Yes you know who you are, fool.
1. First the Death Panel cut costs as follows: Two years ago the task force recommended that women in their 40s should no longer get routine mammograms, triggering controversy. The recommendation to avoid the PSA test is even more forceful and applies to healthy men of all ages. Health | Healthy men shouldn't get protest test, panel says | Seattle Times Newspaper
2. Now, Healthy men should no longer receive a PSA blood test to screen for prostate cancer because the test does not save lives overall and often leads to more tests and treatments that needlessly cause pain, impotence and incontinence in many, a key government health panel has decided.
The draft recommendation by the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force, due for official release next week, is based on the results of five well-controlled clinical trials and could substantially change the care given to men 50 and older.Ibid.
3. Interviewed about this development, was Dr. David Samadi, a board certified urologic oncologist trained in open traditional and laparoscopic surgery and is an expert in robotic prostatectomy surgery. He is the Vice Chairman, Department of Urology, and Chief of Robotics and Minimally Invasive Surgery at the Mount Sinai Medical Center in New York City. He has dedicated his distinguished career to the early detection, diagnosis and treatment of prostate cancer and is considered one of the most prominent surgeons in his field.
a. In the interview, he expressed disappointment, if not surprise, explaining that these tests save lives. 40s and 50s are far from old, and these tests are the reason why Americas medical care, in the area of cancer detection and treatment is far superior to nations with socialized medicine.
b. Dr. Samadi predicted that colonoscopies would be next on the panels list.
4. This development cannot be fully understood without realizing that leftist political philosophies do not honor human life. This leftist President actually appointed an advocate of widespread sterilization, and depopulation, Dr. John Holdren, as his 'science advisor.'
He enrolled Communitarians on his healthcare advisory panel, such as Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, a health policy advisor in the Office of Management and Budget and brother of Rahm Emanuel, the president's chief of staff is one of those responsible for inserting into the healthcare bill the ideas that we no longer should have rights, such as determining what care we can buy, or how long we should live, and doctors should no longer look to the Hippocratic Oath, and the particular patient, but neglect the patient in the interests of social justice, and the society as a whole.
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a. The study further explains how several provisions of Obamacare give insurers, doctors, and hospitals incentives to deny and ration health care to patients. The American Spectator : The Obamacare Disaster
b. "...a study based on data from 1993 through 1997 found lower cancer survival rates among Canadians than among Americans." Chen VW, Howe HL, Wu XC, Hotes JL, Correa CN (eds). Cancer in North America, 1993-1997. Volume Two: Mortality. Springfield, IL: North American Association of Central Cancer Registries, April 2000
Death Panels are alive and well.
If "Death Panels Alive and Well " as "PoliticalChic" claims, they are most active in Republican/Tea Party states which have the lowest life expectancies in the nation - US average age expectancy is 78 years.Table: U.S. States Ranked by Life Expectancy (US average life expectancy is 78 years)
Rank - State - Life Expectancy
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41 Georgia (75.3 years)
42 Kentucky (75.2 years)
43 Arkansas (75.2 years)
44 Oklahoma (75.2 years)
45 Tennessee (75.1 years)
46 West Virginia (75.1 years)
47 South Carolina (74.8 years)
48 Alabama (74.4 years)
49 Louisiana (74.2 years)
50 Mississippi (73.6 years)
Data: Harvard University Initiative for Global Health and the Harvard School of Public Health
List of U.S. states by life expectancy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I'm sure "PoliticalChic" will provide us with another "creative" explanation as to why all 10 of the states with the lowest life expectancies are conservative!
If "Death Panels Alive and Well " as "PoliticalChic" claims, they are most active in Republican/Tea Party states which have the lowest life expectancies in the nation - US average age expectancy is 78 years.Table: U.S. States Ranked by Life Expectancy (US average life expectancy is 78 years)
Rank - State - Life Expectancy
************************
41 Georgia (75.3 years)
42 Kentucky (75.2 years)
43 Arkansas (75.2 years)
44 Oklahoma (75.2 years)
45 Tennessee (75.1 years)
46 West Virginia (75.1 years)
47 South Carolina (74.8 years)
48 Alabama (74.4 years)
49 Louisiana (74.2 years)
50 Mississippi (73.6 years)
Data: Harvard University Initiative for Global Health and the Harvard School of Public Health
List of U.S. states by life expectancy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I'm sure "PoliticalChic" will provide us with another "creative" explanation as to why all 10 of the states with the lowest life expectancies are conservative!
If "Death Panels Alive and Well " as "PoliticalChic" claims, they are most active in Republican/Tea Party states which have the lowest life expectancies in the nation - US average age expectancy is 78 years.Table: U.S. States Ranked by Life Expectancy (US average life expectancy is 78 years)
Rank - State - Life Expectancy
************************
41 Georgia (75.3 years)
42 Kentucky (75.2 years)
43 Arkansas (75.2 years)
44 Oklahoma (75.2 years)
45 Tennessee (75.1 years)
46 West Virginia (75.1 years)
47 South Carolina (74.8 years)
48 Alabama (74.4 years)
49 Louisiana (74.2 years)
50 Mississippi (73.6 years)
Data: Harvard University Initiative for Global Health and the Harvard School of Public Health
List of U.S. states by life expectancy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I'm sure "PoliticalChic" will provide us with another "creative" explanation as to why all 10 of the states with the lowest life expectancies are conservative!
I don't want to make you looks stupid, but.......
Most of those states you have listed are states with the highest percentage of blacks per total population. The average life expectancy of blacks in the US is around 72-73 years of age.
Nothing creative about it....just the facts.
If "Death Panels Alive and Well " as "PoliticalChic" claims, they are most active in Republican/Tea Party states which have the lowest life expectancies in the nation - US average age expectancy is 78 years.Table: U.S. States Ranked by Life Expectancy (US average life expectancy is 78 years)
Rank - State - Life Expectancy
************************
41 Georgia (75.3 years)
42 Kentucky (75.2 years)
43 Arkansas (75.2 years)
44 Oklahoma (75.2 years)
45 Tennessee (75.1 years)
46 West Virginia (75.1 years)
47 South Carolina (74.8 years)
48 Alabama (74.4 years)
49 Louisiana (74.2 years)
50 Mississippi (73.6 years)
Data: Harvard University Initiative for Global Health and the Harvard School of Public Health
List of U.S. states by life expectancy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I'm sure "PoliticalChic" will provide us with another "creative" explanation as to why all 10 of the states with the lowest life expectancies are conservative!
I don't want to make you looks stupid, but.......
Most of those states you have listed are states with the highest percentage of blacks per total population. The average life expectancy of blacks in the US is around 72-73 years of age.
Nothing creative about it....just the facts.
If "Death Panels Alive and Well " as "PoliticalChic" claims, they are most active in Republican/Tea Party states which have the lowest life expectancies in the nation - US average age expectancy is 78 years.
I'm sure "PoliticalChic" will provide us with another "creative" explanation as to why all 10 of the states with the lowest life expectancies are conservative!
I don't want to make you looks stupid, but.......
Most of those states you have listed are states with the highest percentage of blacks per total population. The average life expectancy of blacks in the US is around 72-73 years of age.
Nothing creative about it....just the facts.
Great point!
Also true at the other end of the spectrum:
1. “The use of this example highlights to disingenuousness of the authors. In their supposedly “detailed” report on infant mortality, they fail to analyze the most important detail: race. Unfortunately, African descent is a major risk factor for prematurity, and prematurity is a major cause of infant mortality. Therefore, it is hardly surprising that the US has a higher infant mortality rate than Sweden. The US has the highest proportion of women of African descent of any first world country. Sweden, of course, has virtually none. So our higher rate of infant mortality does not reflect poor medical care. It reflects factors beyond the control of doctors. Race is an uncontrollable factor; obstetricians and pediatricians have no control over assisted reproductive techniques. In fact, the data actually show obstetricians and pediatricians do a remarkable job of ensuring infant health.”
Infant mortality report neglects the most important detail - AmyTuteurMD - Open Salon
2. One factor contributing to the U.S.'s infant mortality rate is that blacks have intractably high infant mortality rates -- irrespective of age, education, socioeconomic status and so on. No one knows why.
Neither medical care nor discrimination can explain it: Hispanics in the U.S. have lower infant mortality rates than either blacks or whites. Give Switzerland or Japan our ethnically diverse population and see how they stack up on infant mortality rates.
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