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Hey PC..what's your take on Jan Brewer..the real live death panel chick.
2 people dead..and counting.
you were just given an example. do you think that this is a one off?
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Hey PC..what's your take on Jan Brewer..the real live death panel chick.
2 people dead..and counting.
Yeah, well, nobody ever said they were tribunals everyone went before.
The concept as originally articulated was:
The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama’s “death panel” so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their “level of productivity in society,” whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil.
Now it's apparently become "having prices." The former free marketers have, bizarrely, morphed into communists.
Humana and other HMO's and insurance companies have been rationing health care for decades.
Glad to see that you understand that this is the rationing of healthcare.
What you don't understand is that one or several private companies rationing same, as one can change companies or move to a different state,is
hardly the same as the entire nation on that 'page.'
The OP illustrates exactly that.
Death panels have been around since the incorporation of the first health insurance company.
Just yesterday my sister with lung cancer at age 61 was pushed on Medicare by the death panel at United Health Care Health Insurance Co. She is a retiree from AT&T.
Peggy had ovarian cancer in 2004, had to takd chemo for a long time and took off a year per doctor's instructions. AT&T forced her to file for disability and she drew it for 6 months. She then went back to work for 5 years and retired from there with full benefits in 2009.
Now at the time of the cancer she had BC/BS and then Aetna in 2006-2008 at AT&T. They changed to UHC after she retired. UHC is taking the position that she retired because of a disability which was the result of the ovarian cancer. There is a provision under the law where they can do this if Medicare accepts her. Problem is she DOES NOT WANT MEDICARE. She wants UHC to pay all of the radiation therapy-23 days-chemo-once a week for 5 weeks and followup operation on the right lung after the tumor is shrunk by the radiation.
After setting up this entire scenario the last 3 weeks every day, I do it as I am the only sibling with the time and resources to do it, now we have to change EVERYTHING because the pulmonologist, the oncologist, the surgeon and the radiation doctor ALL don't accept Medicare. They are all within 5 miles of where she lives. Now we have to redo all of this and spend another 3 weeks going to Medicare accepting doctors 40 miles away, do all of the preliminary visits, the consultations, the information to fill out, etc. Good news is UHC will be the secondary policy.
This is the real world and I am seeing this hard ball game being played now as an employee of mine is having extreme problems with my health insurance provider on a claim filed on behalf of one of his children.
You can't fault the doctors as they want to get paid. Bottom line: The current system is no better or no worse than government. In fact, my broker that sells a ton of senior supplement insurance says that Medicare is easier to deal with than most insurance companies.
Anyone that is self employed, has small businesses like I do or has a family member seriously ill lives in the real world when it comes to insurance. I pay over 35K on health insurance just for one of my corporations and have seen the coverage disintegrate to nothing over the last 10 years with 10K deductible on each employee. I match them dollar for dollar if they want lower deductibles and one does that.
Fact is every day insurance companies make a life and death decision like they did with my sister. Some call them death panels and some call them decision makers. Who knows but fact is this is no different than government doing it. She has a 6 cm tumor in the airway of her right lung and needs radiation and chemo immediately. I am meeting with all of the doctors today and tomorrow to beg. We do not want charity but want what is right.
Something the insurance companies, or death panels as many would call them, do not care about.
Death panels have been around since the incorporation of the first health insurance company.
Just yesterday my sister with lung cancer at age 61 was pushed on Medicare by the death panel at United Health Care Health Insurance Co. She is a retiree from AT&T.
Peggy had ovarian cancer in 2004, had to takd chemo for a long time and took off a year per doctor's instructions. AT&T forced her to file for disability and she drew it for 6 months. She then went back to work for 5 years and retired from there with full benefits in 2009.
Now at the time of the cancer she had BC/BS and then Aetna in 2006-2008 at AT&T. They changed to UHC after she retired. UHC is taking the position that she retired because of a disability which was the result of the ovarian cancer. There is a provision under the law where they can do this if Medicare accepts her. Problem is she DOES NOT WANT MEDICARE. She wants UHC to pay all of the radiation therapy-23 days-chemo-once a week for 5 weeks and followup operation on the right lung after the tumor is shrunk by the radiation.
After setting up this entire scenario the last 3 weeks every day, I do it as I am the only sibling with the time and resources to do it, now we have to change EVERYTHING because the pulmonologist, the oncologist, the surgeon and the radiation doctor ALL don't accept Medicare. They are all within 5 miles of where she lives. Now we have to redo all of this and spend another 3 weeks going to Medicare accepting doctors 40 miles away, do all of the preliminary visits, the consultations, the information to fill out, etc. Good news is UHC will be the secondary policy.
This is the real world and I am seeing this hard ball game being played now as an employee of mine is having extreme problems with my health insurance provider on a claim filed on behalf of one of his children.
You can't fault the doctors as they want to get paid. Bottom line: The current system is no better or no worse than government. In fact, my broker that sells a ton of senior supplement insurance says that Medicare is easier to deal with than most insurance companies.
Anyone that is self employed, has small businesses like I do or has a family member seriously ill lives in the real world when it comes to insurance. I pay over 35K on health insurance just for one of my corporations and have seen the coverage disintegrate to nothing over the last 10 years with 10K deductible on each employee. I match them dollar for dollar if they want lower deductibles and one does that.
Fact is every day insurance companies make a life and death decision like they did with my sister. Some call them death panels and some call them decision makers. Who knows but fact is this is no different than government doing it. She has a 6 cm tumor in the airway of her right lung and needs radiation and chemo immediately. I am meeting with all of the doctors today and tomorrow to beg. We do not want charity but want what is right.
Something the insurance companies, or death panels as many would call them, do not care about.
Obama administration eases pain of Medicare cuts - USATODAY.com
Independent Payment Advisory Board (IPAB)
IPAB is the death panel.
IPAB is the rationing of health care.... It has 15 members appointed by the President. Its recommendations for cuts in Medicare services or for reductions in reimbursement will not be subject to congressional approval but will take effect by administrative fiat
Hmmmm, imagine that
an irrelevant Congress
Obama administration eases pain of Medicare cuts - USATODAY.com
Independent Payment Advisory Board (IPAB)
IPAB is the death panel.
IPAB is the rationing of health care.... It has 15 members appointed by the President. Its recommendations for cuts in Medicare services or for reductions in reimbursement will not be subject to congressional approval but will take effect by administrative fiat
Hmmmm, imagine that
an irrelevant Congress
??? The link doesn't have anything to do with the IPAB. Thought this line in there was pretty funny though:
" The administration says the reason for the bonuses is quality improvement, not politics, "
Yeah, right.
About the IPAB, will they have authority to set guidleines for who gets certain medical treatments? I know they can set the prices, as a way of holding down the costs. Not sure what else they can do. Obama has not been too clear about that IMHO.
no, you really can't change companies or move states.
once an insurance company begins denying your claims you can be damn sure another isn't going to welcome you with open arms and start approving them.
"...you can be damn sure another isn't going to ...start approving them."
Did you find this in that black 'crystal ball' we used as kids?
i'd like to enhance your vocabulary. there's a nice little phrase insurance companies like to use, you may have heard of it before. it's "pre-existing condition." Look into it.
1. As more Americans delve into the disturbing details of the nationalized health care plan that the current administration is rushing through Congress, our collective jaw is dropping, and we're saying not just no, but hell no! The Democrats promise that a government health care system will reduce the cost of health care, but as the economist Thomas Sowell has pointed out, government health care will not reduce the cost; it will simply refuse to pay the cost. And who will suffer the most when they ration care? The sick, the elderly, and the disabled, of course. Palin: Obama's "Death Panel" Could Kill My Down Syndrome Baby
2. Fifteen-month-old Joseph Maraachli, known to the world as Baby Joseph, is being transported from SSM Cardinal Glennon Childrens Medical Center in St. Louis, where he received a tracheotomy last month, the Windsor Star reports. He will arrive in Windsor, Ontario, on Thursday.
His parents, Moe Maraachli and Sana Nader, wanted the boy to undergo the tracheotomy so that he could spend his remaining days at home. London Health Sciences Center refused to perform the procedure, saying it had too many complication risks and would be too invasive, the Windsor Star reports.
Josephs parents appealed to the Canadian courts, but the courts sided with the hospital. The boy was then taken by Fr. Frank Pavone and other Priests of Life staff to Cardinal Glennon Childrens Hospital, where doctors agreed to treat him and eventually performed his tracheotomy.
Priests of Life has covered all of the familys medical bills while Joseph underwent treatment in the U.S. and will also cover the costs of Josephs flight home, the Windsor Star reports.
'Baby Joseph' Flying Home to Canada - FoxNews.com
1. As more Americans delve into the disturbing details of the nationalized health care plan that the current administration is rushing through Congress, our collective jaw is dropping, and we're saying not just no, but hell no! The Democrats promise that a government health care system will reduce the cost of health care, but as the economist Thomas Sowell has pointed out, government health care will not reduce the cost; it will simply refuse to pay the cost. And who will suffer the most when they ration care? The sick, the elderly, and the disabled, of course. Palin: Obama's "Death Panel" Could Kill My Down Syndrome Baby
2. Fifteen-month-old Joseph Maraachli, known to the world as Baby Joseph, is being transported from SSM Cardinal Glennon Childrens Medical Center in St. Louis, where he received a tracheotomy last month, the Windsor Star reports. He will arrive in Windsor, Ontario, on Thursday.
His parents, Moe Maraachli and Sana Nader, wanted the boy to undergo the tracheotomy so that he could spend his remaining days at home. London Health Sciences Center refused to perform the procedure, saying it had too many complication risks and would be too invasive, the Windsor Star reports.
Josephs parents appealed to the Canadian courts, but the courts sided with the hospital. The boy was then taken by Fr. Frank Pavone and other Priests of Life staff to Cardinal Glennon Childrens Hospital, where doctors agreed to treat him and eventually performed his tracheotomy.
Priests of Life has covered all of the familys medical bills while Joseph underwent treatment in the U.S. and will also cover the costs of Josephs flight home, the Windsor Star reports.
'Baby Joseph' Flying Home to Canada - FoxNews.com
Really I don't think the difference will be quite as dramatic as the reality TV show queen claims.
Not quite a death panel but I was in a hospital in St Louis the other week and my private insurance tried to ration my healthcare. Turns our if I wanted the 1990's technology cast for my kid I had to pay the difference out of pocket. Aetna only wanted to pay for the 1940's era plaster cast even though we all know the new one is better.
Death panels exist now, and will exist in any solution to HC that anybody comes up with.
Get over it.