David Frum Fired From Right Wing Think Tank

[Immanuel]

How is it that so many people on a political message board do NOT know who Frum is? Come on folks, this is a 1 + 1 question here. If you don't know, it's time to be held back a grade. Seriously!

David Frum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Maybe it is because the pundits have made many of us completely disgusted and rather than following them and worshiping them we have simply quit reading any of them with any regularity.

Immie

 

[kwc57]

How is it that so many people on a political message board do NOT know who Frum is? Come on folks, this is a 1 + 1 question here. If you don't know, it's time to be held back a grade. Seriously!

David Frum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Maybe it is because the pundits have made many of us completely disgusted and rather than following them and worshiping them we have simply quit reading any of them with any regularity.

Immie

Understood.......but Frum wasn't just one of the thousands of pundits out there slinging crap against the wall. He was a Whitehouse insider like Rove, Card, Fleischer, etc.

 

[Immanuel]

How is it that so many people on a political message board do NOT know who Frum is? Come on folks, this is a 1 + 1 question here. If you don't know, it's time to be held back a grade. Seriously!

David Frum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Maybe it is because the pundits have made many of us completely disgusted and rather than following them and worshiping them we have simply quit reading any of them with any regularity.

Immie

Understood.......but Frum wasn't just one of the thousands of pundits out there slinging crap against the wall. He was a Whitehouse insider like Rove, Card, Fleischer, etc.

That only makes him worse!

Immie

 

[MarcATL]

How is it that so many people on a political message board do NOT know who Frum is? Come on folks, this is a 1 + 1 question here. If you don't know, it's time to be held back a grade. Seriously!

David Frum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

David J. Frum is a Canadian American self-described conservative journalist active in both the United States and Canadian political arenas. A former economic speechwriter for President George W. Bush, he is also the author of the first "insider" book about the Bush presidency. His editorial columns have appeared in a variety of Canadian and American magazines and newspapers, including the National Post and The Week. He is also the founder of FrumForum.com (formerly NewMajority.com), a political group blog.......

......His first book, Dead Right, was released in 1994. Frank Rich of the New York Times described it as "the smartest book written from the inside about the American conservative movement" and William F. Buckley, Jr. found it "the most refreshing ideological experience in a generation."[16] He is also the author of What's Right (1996) and How We Got Here (2000), a history of the 1970s. Michael Barone of U.S. News & World Report praised How We Got Here, noting that "more than any other book… it shows how we came to be the way we are." John Podhoretz described it as "compulsively readable" and a "commanding amalgam of history, sociology and polemic."[17]

In January 2003, he released The Right Man: The Surprise Presidency of George W. Bush, the first insider account of the Bush presidency. Frum is widely cited as having authored the phrase "axis of evil," which he discusses in his book.[18] As the title suggests, Frum also discusses how the events of September 11, 2001 redefined the country and the President. Frum writes, "George W. Bush was hardly the obvious man for the job. But by a very strange fate, he turned out to be, of all unlikely things, the right man."

Frum's book An End to Evil was co-written with Richard Perle. It provided a defense of the 2003 invasion of Iraq, and advocated regime change in Iran and Syria. Furthermore, it called for a tougher policy with North Korea, as well as advocating a tougher U.S. stance against Saudi Arabia and other Islamic nations in order to "win the war on terror" (the book's by-line).

In 2008, he published Comeback: Conservatism That Can Win Again, a work which former Congressman David M. McIntosh called "required reading for all GOP candidates."

But according to Apocalypto over there, Frum is a fraud and has never been a Conservative...ever!

 

[kwc57]

How is it that so many people on a political message board do NOT know who Frum is? Come on folks, this is a 1 + 1 question here. If you don't know, it's time to be held back a grade. Seriously!

David Frum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

David J. Frum is a Canadian American self-described conservative journalist active in both the United States and Canadian political arenas. A former economic speechwriter for President George W. Bush, he is also the author of the first "insider" book about the Bush presidency. His editorial columns have appeared in a variety of Canadian and American magazines and newspapers, including the National Post and The Week. He is also the founder of FrumForum.com (formerly NewMajority.com), a political group blog.......

......His first book, Dead Right, was released in 1994. Frank Rich of the New York Times described it as "the smartest book written from the inside about the American conservative movement" and William F. Buckley, Jr. found it "the most refreshing ideological experience in a generation."[16] He is also the author of What's Right (1996) and How We Got Here (2000), a history of the 1970s. Michael Barone of U.S. News & World Report praised How We Got Here, noting that "more than any other book… it shows how we came to be the way we are." John Podhoretz described it as "compulsively readable" and a "commanding amalgam of history, sociology and polemic."[17]

In January 2003, he released The Right Man: The Surprise Presidency of George W. Bush, the first insider account of the Bush presidency. Frum is widely cited as having authored the phrase "axis of evil," which he discusses in his book.[18] As the title suggests, Frum also discusses how the events of September 11, 2001 redefined the country and the President. Frum writes, "George W. Bush was hardly the obvious man for the job. But by a very strange fate, he turned out to be, of all unlikely things, the right man."

Frum's book An End to Evil was co-written with Richard Perle. It provided a defense of the 2003 invasion of Iraq, and advocated regime change in Iran and Syria. Furthermore, it called for a tougher policy with North Korea, as well as advocating a tougher U.S. stance against Saudi Arabia and other Islamic nations in order to "win the war on terror" (the book's by-line).

In 2008, he published Comeback: Conservatism That Can Win Again, a work which former Congressman David M. McIntosh called "required reading for all GOP candidates."

But according to Acopalypto over there, Frum is a fraud and has never been a Conservative...ever!

Yeah......just a little game both sides play when one of their own sees the light and discovers that they are not always right and don't always have the answer and strays off message.

 

[The Rabbi]

Rightwinger, weren't you the one saying that the Dems reached out to be bipartisan and the GOP refused during health care?
So now you admit it was merely a fig leaf to appear bipartisan but in fact the Dems had no intention of compromising anything.
Snagged again.

In fact Frum is an idiot. The GOP had no power from the beginning to stop any piece of legislation the Dums concocted. And yet they remained central to the debate, achieving an unprecedented united front in the face of Democratic bullying and railroading.
It is not their waterloo but their finest hour. It will be remembered as a turning point that will reach a crescendo in November in the largest turnover in U.S. history.

Yes I am.....in fact they wasted three months trying to get bipartisan support starting with the Finance Committee. The final attempt was the Healthcare summit where the President repeatedly offered "Show me what you want in the bill....if you will vote for it, I will work to get it in" The Republicans, like parrots responded...."Scrap the bill and start over"
This gave the President the ammunition he needed to push the bill through. He demonstrated to the American Public that the Republicans were only in it to obstruct.

The Dums didn't need bipartisan support. They didnt care about bipartisan support. If they actually wanted bipartisan support they could have had it with Olympia Snowe but the WH instead chose to shut down committee negotiations and go it alone.
The only reason the phony "summit" was staged, where Obama got his ass handed to him, was because the MA election showed what a tough sell reform was going to be in Democratic districts.
But November is just around the corner. Taxes will increase. Companies will be shunting workers' healthcare off to the governmetn as they figure out it is cheaper to pay the fine than premiums. More people will die. And the GOP will get the biggest turnover in congressional history.

 

[MarcATL]

Obama sat down with them after trying to reach out to them many, many times before.

What do you want Republicans?

"To start over from scratch."

And they were dead serious.

Plum loco, but dead serious.

LOL!!

 

[Political Junky]

Obama sat down with them after trying to reach out to them many, many times before.

What do you want Republicans?

"To start over from scratch."

And they were dead serious.

Plum loco, but dead serious.

LOL!!

Yes, Cons want to start over from scratch.
They're campaigning on repeal of the health care bill.

 

[kwc57]

Rightwinger, weren't you the one saying that the Dems reached out to be bipartisan and the GOP refused during health care?
So now you admit it was merely a fig leaf to appear bipartisan but in fact the Dems had no intention of compromising anything.
Snagged again.

In fact Frum is an idiot. The GOP had no power from the beginning to stop any piece of legislation the Dums concocted. And yet they remained central to the debate, achieving an unprecedented united front in the face of Democratic bullying and railroading.
It is not their waterloo but their finest hour. It will be remembered as a turning point that will reach a crescendo in November in the largest turnover in U.S. history.

Yes I am.....in fact they wasted three months trying to get bipartisan support starting with the Finance Committee. The final attempt was the Healthcare summit where the President repeatedly offered "Show me what you want in the bill....if you will vote for it, I will work to get it in" The Republicans, like parrots responded...."Scrap the bill and start over"
This gave the President the ammunition he needed to push the bill through. He demonstrated to the American Public that the Republicans were only in it to obstruct.

The Dums didn't need bipartisan support. They didnt care about bipartisan support. If they actually wanted bipartisan support they could have had it with Olympia Snowe but the WH instead chose to shut down committee negotiations and go it alone.
The only reason the phony "summit" was staged, where Obama got his ass handed to him, was because the MA election showed what a tough sell reform was going to be in Democratic districts.
But November is just around the corner. Taxes will increase. Companies will be shunting workers' healthcare off to the governmetn as they figure out it is cheaper to pay the fine than premiums. More people will die. And the GOP will get the biggest turnover in congressional history.

You are correct, the Dems didn't care about bipartisan support. But likewise, the Repubs didn't really care about healthcare reform. Prior to the dems winning back a majority in congress and holding the admin (you know, those six years the Repubs held both), what exactly had the Repubs offered in the way of HC reform? Zilch. They were totally happy with the way things were. It wasn't until the Dems got serious that the Repubs all of a sudden said "us too". But their solution was to scrap it and start over. Too little, too late.

 

[The Rabbi]

Where have Dems been on Social Security reform? They have had 3 years to reform a bankrupt system and nary a peep.
But George Bush tried and got slapped down for his troubles from the Left, which swore there wasn't a problem. Really.
Maybe that's why the GOP wasn't eager to go engage in another bruising battle with the sniveling cowards of the Left.

 

[Political Junky]

Where have Dems been on Social Security reform? They have had 3 years to reform a bankrupt system and nary a peep.
But George Bush tried and got slapped down for his troubles from the Left, which swore there wasn't a problem. Really.
Maybe that's why the GOP wasn't eager to go engage in another bruising battle with the sniveling cowards of the Left.

Bush Jr's proposal was to privatize Social Security, and have it invested in the Stock Mkt. That was shortly before the Market took a dive.

 

[uscitizen]

Where have Dems been on Social Security reform? They have had 3 years to reform a bankrupt system and nary a peep.
But George Bush tried and got slapped down for his troubles from the Left, which swore there wasn't a problem. Really.
Maybe that's why the GOP wasn't eager to go engage in another bruising battle with the sniveling cowards of the Left.

LMAO, just LMAO.

Incredible rhetoric.

 

[MarcATL]

Where have Dems been on Social Security reform? They have had 3 years to reform a bankrupt system and nary a peep.
But George Bush tried and got slapped down for his troubles from the Left, which swore there wasn't a problem. Really.
Maybe that's why the GOP wasn't eager to go engage in another bruising battle with the sniveling cowards of the Left.

Bush Jr's proposal was to privatize Social Security, and have it invested in the Stock Mkt. That was shortly before the Market took a dive.

Thank God we managed to dodge THAT bullet. As if the two unnecessary wars and the tax cuts wasn't enough DAMAGE to the country.

 

[The Rabbi]

Where have Dems been on Social Security reform? They have had 3 years to reform a bankrupt system and nary a peep.
But George Bush tried and got slapped down for his troubles from the Left, which swore there wasn't a problem. Really.
Maybe that's why the GOP wasn't eager to go engage in another bruising battle with the sniveling cowards of the Left.

Bush Jr's proposal was to privatize Social Security, and have it invested in the Stock Mkt. That was shortly before the Market took a dive.

Bush's initial proposal: May 2001.
DJIA=10,911

Today's close of DJIA: 10,850

Yeah, wow. We really fell off a cliff with that one!
I realize facts to the Left is like garlic to vampires.

 

[The T]

Good. Frum is a PHONEY 'Conservative'. he is always the "go-to-guy" for the Leftist media. Frum frequently slams Conservatives/Conservatism.

Davey baby? YOU'RE A FUCKIN'FRAUD.

 

[rightwinger]

Rightwinger, weren't you the one saying that the Dems reached out to be bipartisan and the GOP refused during health care?
So now you admit it was merely a fig leaf to appear bipartisan but in fact the Dems had no intention of compromising anything.
Snagged again.

In fact Frum is an idiot. The GOP had no power from the beginning to stop any piece of legislation the Dums concocted. And yet they remained central to the debate, achieving an unprecedented united front in the face of Democratic bullying and railroading.
It is not their waterloo but their finest hour. It will be remembered as a turning point that will reach a crescendo in November in the largest turnover in U.S. history.

Yes I am.....in fact they wasted three months trying to get bipartisan support starting with the Finance Committee. The final attempt was the Healthcare summit where the President repeatedly offered "Show me what you want in the bill....if you will vote for it, I will work to get it in" The Republicans, like parrots responded...."Scrap the bill and start over"
This gave the President the ammunition he needed to push the bill through. He demonstrated to the American Public that the Republicans were only in it to obstruct.

The Dums didn't need bipartisan support. They didnt care about bipartisan support. If they actually wanted bipartisan support they could have had it with Olympia Snowe but the WH instead chose to shut down committee negotiations and go it alone.
The only reason the phony "summit" was staged, where Obama got his ass handed to him, was because the MA election showed what a tough sell reform was going to be in Democratic districts.
But November is just around the corner. Taxes will increase. Companies will be shunting workers' healthcare off to the governmetn as they figure out it is cheaper to pay the fine than premiums. More people will die. And the GOP will get the biggest turnover in congressional history.

Yes my dear friend, November is just around the corner. People will wake up and find that granny is still alive, there are no death panels, their insurance company is still calling the shots and the economy is much stronger.
Meanwhile, the GOP will be whining that they need to take healthcare away from 33 million Americans, ban people with pre-existing conditions, introduce caps on how much insurance you can have...

November? Bring it on brother!

 

[rightwinger]

Where have Dems been on Social Security reform? They have had 3 years to reform a bankrupt system and nary a peep.
But George Bush tried and got slapped down for his troubles from the Left, which swore there wasn't a problem. Really.
Maybe that's why the GOP wasn't eager to go engage in another bruising battle with the sniveling cowards of the Left.

Bush Jr's proposal was to privatize Social Security, and have it invested in the Stock Mkt. That was shortly before the Market took a dive.

Yes...as usual Bush's timing was impeccable. Yes America, put your money in the market right before it loses half its value

 

[The Rabbi]

Yes I am.....in fact they wasted three months trying to get bipartisan support starting with the Finance Committee. The final attempt was the Healthcare summit where the President repeatedly offered "Show me what you want in the bill....if you will vote for it, I will work to get it in" The Republicans, like parrots responded...."Scrap the bill and start over"
This gave the President the ammunition he needed to push the bill through. He demonstrated to the American Public that the Republicans were only in it to obstruct.

The Dums didn't need bipartisan support. They didnt care about bipartisan support. If they actually wanted bipartisan support they could have had it with Olympia Snowe but the WH instead chose to shut down committee negotiations and go it alone.
The only reason the phony "summit" was staged, where Obama got his ass handed to him, was because the MA election showed what a tough sell reform was going to be in Democratic districts.
But November is just around the corner. Taxes will increase. Companies will be shunting workers' healthcare off to the governmetn as they figure out it is cheaper to pay the fine than premiums. More people will die. And the GOP will get the biggest turnover in congressional history.

Yes my dear friend, November is just around the corner. People will wake up and find that granny is still alive, there are no death panels, their insurance company is still calling the shots and the economy is much stronger.
Meanwhile, the GOP will be whining that they need to take healthcare away from 33 million Americans, ban people with pre-existing conditions, introduce caps on how much insurance you can have...

November? Bring it on brother!

Actually they'll find their taxes have increased, they have no health benefits they didn't have last year (except insurance through their employer), and they are still unemployed.
Yeah. Bring it on is right. There isn't a poll around showing the public's opinion of Congress to be higher than snake shit.

 

[Immanuel]

Yes I am.....in fact they wasted three months trying to get bipartisan support starting with the Finance Committee. The final attempt was the Healthcare summit where the President repeatedly offered "Show me what you want in the bill....if you will vote for it, I will work to get it in" The Republicans, like parrots responded...."Scrap the bill and start over"
This gave the President the ammunition he needed to push the bill through. He demonstrated to the American Public that the Republicans were only in it to obstruct.

The Dums didn't need bipartisan support. They didnt care about bipartisan support. If they actually wanted bipartisan support they could have had it with Olympia Snowe but the WH instead chose to shut down committee negotiations and go it alone.
The only reason the phony "summit" was staged, where Obama got his ass handed to him, was because the MA election showed what a tough sell reform was going to be in Democratic districts.
But November is just around the corner. Taxes will increase. Companies will be shunting workers' healthcare off to the governmetn as they figure out it is cheaper to pay the fine than premiums. More people will die. And the GOP will get the biggest turnover in congressional history.

Yes my dear friend, November is just around the corner. People will wake up and find that granny is still alive, there are no death panels, their insurance company is still calling the shots and the economy is much stronger.

November? Bring it on brother!

I suppose that is why none of the major provisions actually take effect until after the 2012 elections.

Immie

 

[The T]

The Dums didn't need bipartisan support. They didnt care about bipartisan support. If they actually wanted bipartisan support they could have had it with Olympia Snowe but the WH instead chose to shut down committee negotiations and go it alone.
The only reason the phony "summit" was staged, where Obama got his ass handed to him, was because the MA election showed what a tough sell reform was going to be in Democratic districts.
But November is just around the corner. Taxes will increase. Companies will be shunting workers' healthcare off to the governmetn as they figure out it is cheaper to pay the fine than premiums. More people will die. And the GOP will get the biggest turnover in congressional history.

Yes my dear friend, November is just around the corner. People will wake up and find that granny is still alive, there are no death panels, their insurance company is still calling the shots and the economy is much stronger.
Meanwhile, the GOP will be whining that they need to take healthcare away from 33 million Americans, ban people with pre-existing conditions, introduce caps on how much insurance you can have...

November? Bring it on brother!

Actually they'll find their taxes have increased, they have no health benefits they didn't have last year (except insurance through their employer), and they are still unemployed.
Yeah. Bring it on is right. There isn't a poll around showing the public's opinion of Congress to be higher than snake shit.

Slowly sinking toward the depths of Whale poo.