Dangers of democracy

[whaleboat]

I recently attended a town hall meeting and was very disappointed with what I heard . The sentiment in the room was a dissatisfaction with our Nation's shift toward socialism and the feeling that our Constitution is being ignored . In the course of discussion the subject of term limits for elected officials came up , and the crowd was generally in favor of somehow imposing them . In my opinion term limits are ridiculous . Why would you kick somebody out of office if they're doing a good job ? But what really disappointed me is that people who felt the Constitution was being ignored wanted to correct the problem by messing with the Constitution .

 

[Contumacious]

I recently attended a town hall meeting and was very disappointed with what I heard . The sentiment in the room was a dissatisfaction with our Nation's shift toward socialism and the feeling that our Constitution is being ignored . In the course of discussion the subject of term limits for elected officials came up , and the crowd was generally in favor of somehow imposing them . In my opinion term limits are ridiculous . Why would you kick somebody out of office if they're doing a good job ? But what really disappointed me is that people who felt the Constitution was being ignored wanted to correct the problem by messing with the Constitution .

Tyranny of the majority is tyranny nevertheless.

Reason the Founding Fathers REJECTED democracy in favor of a Constitutional Republic.


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[Gunny]

I recently attended a town hall meeting and was very disappointed with what I heard . The sentiment in the room was a dissatisfaction with our Nation's shift toward socialism and the feeling that our Constitution is being ignored . In the course of discussion the subject of term limits for elected officials came up , and the crowd was generally in favor of somehow imposing them . In my opinion term limits are ridiculous . Why would you kick somebody out of office if they're doing a good job ? But what really disappointed me is that people who felt the Constitution was being ignored wanted to correct the problem by messing with the Constitution .

They want to correct the problem by ADHERING TO the Constitution. That is not "messing with it."

 

[PeterS]

I recently attended a town hall meeting and was very disappointed with what I heard . The sentiment in the room was a dissatisfaction with our Nation's shift toward socialism and the feeling that our Constitution is being ignored . In the course of discussion the subject of term limits for elected officials came up , and the crowd was generally in favor of somehow imposing them . In my opinion term limits are ridiculous . Why would you kick somebody out of office if they're doing a good job ? But what really disappointed me is that people who felt the Constitution was being ignored wanted to correct the problem by messing with the Constitution .

Personally I think term limits one of the best ideas yet. Two for the senate and 4 for congress. If you can't get what you want done in that time then give someone else a chance. I also attended a town hall and the worry wasn't with a move towards socialism but that a move towards socialism wouldn't alter the status-quo of our current socialized medicine. Them old people seem to really like their socialized medicine...

 

[veritas]

Health and lifestyle forum? A political issue?!?! It addresses a Bill from this year.


That sucks. You suck.

 

[PeterS]

I recently attended a town hall meeting and was very disappointed with what I heard . The sentiment in the room was a dissatisfaction with our Nation's shift toward socialism and the feeling that our Constitution is being ignored . In the course of discussion the subject of term limits for elected officials came up , and the crowd was generally in favor of somehow imposing them . In my opinion term limits are ridiculous . Why would you kick somebody out of office if they're doing a good job ? But what really disappointed me is that people who felt the Constitution was being ignored wanted to correct the problem by messing with the Constitution .

Tyranny of the majority is tyranny nevertheless.

Reason the Founding Fathers REJECTED democracy in favor of a Constitutional Republic.


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How does this eliminate tyranny of the majority? Who elects the representatives and if the representatives fails to do the bidding of the majority what happens?

 

[whaleboat]

I don't recall the Constitution saying anything about term limits . Adhering to the Constitution to institute term limits would mean calling for an amendment , As elected officials already serve a limited number of years and can then either be re-elected , or voted out , amending the Constitution to include term limits would indeed be messing with it . If it ain't broke don't fix it .

 

[goldcatt]

I don't recall the Constitution saying anything about term limits . Adhering to the Constitution to institute term limits would mean calling for an amendment , As elected officials already serve a limited number of years and can then either be re-elected , or voted out , amending the Constitution to include term limits would indeed be messing with it . If it ain't broke don't fix it .

That's the point, whale. Some people think it is broke and term limits would fix it. I'm not necesarily among them, but if they want to go for an amendment it's their call - and they might just succeed.

 

[Vel]

I don't recall the Constitution saying anything about term limits . Adhering to the Constitution to institute term limits would mean calling for an amendment , As elected officials already serve a limited number of years and can then either be re-elected , or voted out , amending the Constitution to include term limits would indeed be messing with it . If it ain't broke don't fix it .

I don't necessarily want to see mandatory term limits, but our current system is indeed broken. If we can't get serious about campaign finance reform, then perhaps we need to look at amending the Constitution to term limit some of these people.

 

[Polk]

I recently attended a town hall meeting and was very disappointed with what I heard . The sentiment in the room was a dissatisfaction with our Nation's shift toward socialism and the feeling that our Constitution is being ignored . In the course of discussion the subject of term limits for elected officials came up , and the crowd was generally in favor of somehow imposing them . In my opinion term limits are ridiculous . Why would you kick somebody out of office if they're doing a good job ? But what really disappointed me is that people who felt the Constitution was being ignored wanted to correct the problem by messing with the Constitution .

Tyranny of the majority is tyranny nevertheless.

Reason the Founding Fathers REJECTED democracy in favor of a Constitutional Republic.


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You act as if the Constitution was the byproduct of some noble and intellectual enterprise. It wasn't.

 

[Polk]

I don't recall the Constitution saying anything about term limits . Adhering to the Constitution to institute term limits would mean calling for an amendment , As elected officials already serve a limited number of years and can then either be re-elected , or voted out , amending the Constitution to include term limits would indeed be messing with it . If it ain't broke don't fix it .

I don't necessarily want to see mandatory term limits, but our current system is indeed broken. If we can't get serious about campaign finance reform, then perhaps we need to look at amending the Constitution to term limit some of these people.

If you think campaign financing is an issue, term limits will only make that issue worse.

 

[goldcatt]

I don't recall the Constitution saying anything about term limits . Adhering to the Constitution to institute term limits would mean calling for an amendment , As elected officials already serve a limited number of years and can then either be re-elected , or voted out , amending the Constitution to include term limits would indeed be messing with it . If it ain't broke don't fix it .

I don't necessarily want to see mandatory term limits, but our current system is indeed broken. If we can't get serious about campaign finance reform, then perhaps we need to look at amending the Constitution to term limit some of these people.

I'm with you here. Time in office would be no problem without the money and the corruption it brings.

 

[Vel]

I don't recall the Constitution saying anything about term limits . Adhering to the Constitution to institute term limits would mean calling for an amendment , As elected officials already serve a limited number of years and can then either be re-elected , or voted out , amending the Constitution to include term limits would indeed be messing with it . If it ain't broke don't fix it .

I don't necessarily want to see mandatory term limits, but our current system is indeed broken. If we can't get serious about campaign finance reform, then perhaps we need to look at amending the Constitution to term limit some of these people.

If you think campaign financing is an issue, term limits will only make that issue worse.

In what way do you see campaign finance reform worsening the current problem?

 

[Polk]

I don't necessarily want to see mandatory term limits, but our current system is indeed broken. If we can't get serious about campaign finance reform, then perhaps we need to look at amending the Constitution to term limit some of these people.

If you think campaign financing is an issue, term limits will only make that issue worse.

In what way do you see campaign finance reform worsening the current problem?

That wasn't what I was saying. I was saying that term limits will make campaign finance issues worse.

 

[whaleboat]

The founding of the good ol' USA , of which our Constitution was a part of , was not only a pivotol part of history . But , played a pivotol part in the noble and intellectual evolution of mankind .

 

[Contumacious]

I recently attended a town hall meeting and was very disappointed with what I heard . The sentiment in the room was a dissatisfaction with our Nation's shift toward socialism and the feeling that our Constitution is being ignored . In the course of discussion the subject of term limits for elected officials came up , and the crowd was generally in favor of somehow imposing them . In my opinion term limits are ridiculous . Why would you kick somebody out of office if they're doing a good job ? But what really disappointed me is that people who felt the Constitution was being ignored wanted to correct the problem by messing with the Constitution .

Tyranny of the majority is tyranny nevertheless.

Reason the Founding Fathers REJECTED democracy in favor of a Constitutional Republic.


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How does this eliminate tyranny of the majority? Who elects the representatives and if the representatives fails to do the bidding of the majority what happens?

1-Rights are secured by the Constitution - they no depend on the will of the majority, ie, I have a right to bear arms regardless of what the majority decides

2- The House Of Representatives was supposed to represent the will of the people and the Senate was supposed to represent the will of the States.

3- Also the Electoral College is supposed to protect our rights from super majorities;

4 An independent Judiciary was supposed to act as a bulwark of our liberties


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[Contumacious]

I recently attended a town hall meeting and was very disappointed with what I heard . The sentiment in the room was a dissatisfaction with our Nation's shift toward socialism and the feeling that our Constitution is being ignored . In the course of discussion the subject of term limits for elected officials came up , and the crowd was generally in favor of somehow imposing them . In my opinion term limits are ridiculous . Why would you kick somebody out of office if they're doing a good job ? But what really disappointed me is that people who felt the Constitution was being ignored wanted to correct the problem by messing with the Constitution .

Tyranny of the majority is tyranny nevertheless.

Reason the Founding Fathers REJECTED democracy in favor of a Constitutional Republic.


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You act as if the Constitution was the byproduct of some noble and intellectual enterprise. It wasn't.

Let me guess, you are going to argue that the welfare/warfare state was the byproduct of some noble and intellectual enterprise.


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[Contumacious]

]I don't recall the Constitution saying anything about term limits [/B]. Adhering to the Constitution to institute term limits would mean calling for an amendment , As elected officials already serve a limited number of years and can then either be re-elected , or voted out , amending the Constitution to include term limits would indeed be messing with it . If it ain't broke don't fix it .

That is correct, the Constitution is silent on term limits. That is because the Founding Fathers believed that so long as we were enjoying a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC it didn't matter whether a politician was in office 4 or 40 years. Our rights are not dependent of the chief executive - they are natural - unalienable -rights secured by the Constitution.

The problem is that under the Welfare/warfare state constitution - aka The Roosevelt Republic - we are acquiring "new" rights by the minute. In order to acquire power, fame and fortune the welfare state purveyors are willing to enslave 1/2 the populace in order to get elected to power. Rights are no longer secured by the constitution , they are dependent upon mere majorities.That my friend is the problem.





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[Roxiebell]

Icam

 

[whaleboat]

You are right Contumacious , You state the nature of our problem and then provide the answer with the quote from Samuel Adams . Cool