Zone1 Critical Thoughts on White Nationalism?

[Mortimer]

I talk about White Nationalism and critice them. What is your opinion. Did I made any good argument?

 

[toobfreak]

Nationalism is just patriotism-- putting one's country as your first priority. There is no "race" to it, anyone can be nationalistic as opposed to the opposite: globalistic, which is a codeword for socialism, so quite trying to spin nationalism as if it were some racist thing.

 

[toobfreak]

That is called civic nationalism not racial nationalism. I talk about a subgroup of nationalism which is called white nationalism. You say i made that up and such people dont exist?

There are no subgroups. Nationalism is nationalism. Only racists divide things up by race.

 

[Mortimer]

There are no subgroups. Nationalism is nationalism. Only racists divide things up by race.

Was Hitler a Nationalist? Was he a Nationalist or not? Did Hitler passed racial laws and divided people by race? You might go there and ask them why they call themselfes nationalists when they are racists in your opinion. I didnt told them to call themselfes that way.

 

[toobfreak]

Was Hitler a Nationalist?

He may have been a milk-drinker too for all I know but what defined him was his White Supremacism, which is a function of racism and not the same thing as pure nationalism.

 

[Mortimer]

He may have been a milk-drinker too for all I know but what defined him was his White Supremacism, which is a function of racism and not the same thing as pure nationalism.

I never said anything about the term nationalism or that all nationalists are racist, why would i call myself "american nationalist" if i say that all nationalists are racists? Im just polite and call those people how they call themselfes. They call themselfes "White Nationalists" I didnt told them to call themselfes that way, why do you argue with me about the term and not about the ideas behind them? I discuss their ideas, you attack me why they call themselfes white nationalists.

 

[toobfreak]

I never said anything about the term nationalism or that all nationalists are racist

Dude, the title of your thread is ABOUT white NATIONALISM!

, why would i call myself "american nationalist" if i say that all nationalists are racists? Im just polite and call those people how they call themselfes. They call themselfes "White Nationalists" I didnt told them to call themselfes that way, why do you argue with me about the term and not about the ideas behind them? I discuss their ideas, you attack me why they call themselfes white nationalists.

I'll try again: I'm simply explaining to you that people who use the term white nationalism (and no other race is ever mentioned) are misleading you. Nationalists are not intrinsically racist (which is what white implies) and is not interchangeable with the term white supremacist.

That is just as clarification.

 

[presonorek]

He may have been a milk-drinker too for all I know but what defined him was his White Supremacism, which is a function of racism and not the same thing as pure nationalism.

Nationalism is not possible without racism. The cultural differences of europe versus Africa versus Asia are pretty vast. I don't they could agree on a national identity. A nationalist idea would be comprised of people from the same culture. It doesn't have anything to do with race on paper but really race would likely reveal different ideologies. So is nationalism racist? Yes but no. No but yes.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Nationalism is not possible without racism. The cultural differences of europe versus Africa versus Asia are pretty vast. I don't they could agree on a national identity. A nationalist idea would be comprised of people from the same culture. It doesn't have anything to do with race on paper but really race would likely reveal different ideologies. So is nationalism racist? Yes but no. No but yes.

That’s a really stupid idea. The Northern Europeans are basically the same racial stock, but there has been nationalism as long as there have been European nations. The Swedes fought the Germans in the Thirty Years War. The French and Germans fought many times. The British and French fought many times. The Dutch fought the British. The Spanish fought the Portugese. The various Italian city-states constantly fought among themselves.

 

[presonorek]

That’s a really stupid idea. The Northern Europeans are basically the same racial stock, but there has been nationalism as long as there have been European nations. The Swedes fought the Germans in the Thirty Years War. The French and Germans fought many times. The British and French fought many times. The Dutch fought the British. The Spanish fought the Portugese. The various Italian city-states constantly fought among themselves.

You said nothing that refuted what I said.

 

[AZrailwhale]

You said nothing that refuted what I said.

No I refuted your premis entirely. Racism and nationalism are completely different and can and do happen independently. You can have one, the other or both together. Racism is a bad thing, but nationalism can be a good thing in the proper proportion. Without nationalism, the UK would have surrendered to Nazi Germany in 1940 and the US would have surrendered to the Empire of Japan in 1941. On the other hand with extreme nationalism, the Japanese government was prepared to have every man, woman and child fight to the death to stop an American invasion.

 

[AyeCantSeeYou]

That is called civic nationalism not racial nationalism. I talk about a subgroup of nationalism which is called white nationalism. You say i made that up and such people dont exist?

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