Criminals know the vast majority of New Yorkers are unarmed and helpless

[Sallow]

One statistic that is truly shocking is the Alaskan rape rate. 5 times higher than some rates in the east.

Why? Surely guns stop this sort of thing, or maybe they can just make it worse.

Actually, they might.

Rape is an "ambush" crime. Most rapists come up on women when they least expect it like when they are opening a car door in a parking lot or garage. And women will keep their handguns in their purse. For the most part it's impossible for them to get to it and the Rapist may make use of it.

 

[rightwinger]

Total bulshit once again

91.7% of Internet statistics are made up on the spot

No, not really. However you have to be able to read the statistics.

To take, say, rape statistics from one country to another, you have to know what rape means, what programs there are in place to report rape, or what the police are like, what the courts are like, how likely are people to report rape, and so on and on and on.

If you don't, you just look stupid.

Dead is dead

 

[P@triot]

The crime rate is way down in New York. It is one of the safest major cities in the world

Tough gun laws is the reason

when was the last time anyone told you, you are full of shit ?!?!?

"It is one of the safest major cities in the world"

^^^^above^^^^ ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha "tough gun laws" ha ha ha ha ^^^^^above^^^^^^

can you possibly be any more insane ? "in the world" ???, how about limiting your assertion to strictly the U.S.of A. ?? most of the citizens of the U.S.of A. will never see the major cities in the world, many will visit NYC.


i most likely never will ever again !! and i thank GOD !!

NYC is one of the safest major cities in the US.

It had its lowest murder rate in decades last year

And yet assaults (such as the one with the hammer which started this thread) are skyrocketing. Just look at the data... 2008: 24,831 (297.6), 2009: 26,457 (314.9), 2010: 27,309 (327.6), 2011: 29,829 (363.2), 2012: 31,211 (376.5). It has increased significantly every year for four straight years.

So basically, to justify their irrational anti-gun position, liberals are saying that it's ok if you are horribly assaulted, raped, and robbed. So long as you don't die, it's all good...

Crime rate in New York, New York (NY): murders, rapes, robberies, assaults, burglaries, thefts, auto thefts, arson, law enforcement employees, police officers statistics

 

[P@triot]

One statistic that is truly shocking is the Alaskan rape rate. 5 times higher than some rates in the east.

Why? Surely guns stop this sort of thing, or maybe they can just make it worse.

Actually, they might.

Rape is an "ambush" crime. Most rapists come up on women when they least expect it like when they are opening a car door in a parking lot or garage. And women will keep their handguns in their purse. For the most part it's impossible for them to get to it and the Rapist may make use of it.

I love when liberals make up "facts" with regards to subjects they know nothing about...

 

[P@triot]

One statistic that is truly shocking is the Alaskan rape rate. 5 times higher than some rates in the east.

Why? Surely guns stop this sort of thing, or maybe they can just make it worse.

Actually, they might.

Rape is an "ambush" crime. Most rapists come up on women when they least expect it like when they are opening a car door in a parking lot or garage. And women will keep their handguns in their purse. For the most part it's impossible for them to get to it and the Rapist may make use of it.

First of all, there is no such thing as "ambush crime". The term simply doesn't exist.

Second, crime - by its very nature - requires the element of surprise. A bank robber doesn't phone the bank in advance to let them know they are on their way to rob the bank. The filth that go around playing the "knockout game" doesn't yell down the ally to their potential victim that they are going to sucker-punch them. The car their doesn't schedule an appointment with the automobile owner. Therefore, all crime would be categorized as "ambush crime" and hence the reason the nonsensical term doesn't exist.

Third, if you look at the statics on rape, the majority are done by someone the victim knew - a neighbor, a co-worker, a fellow resident in a coed dorm room, etc.. This is common sense for obvious reasons (a rapist in New York simply cannot rape a woman in California). Generally speaking (and statistically) the rapist begins to fantasize about their victim after multiple encounters and they almost never "ambush" them. They generally exploit an opportunity when it presents itself because the victim trusted the rapist since they knew them.

 

[novasteve]

The crime rate is way down in New York. It is one of the safest major cities in the world

Tough gun laws is the reason

No shitdick, stop and search is the reason, and that's ending.

 

[novasteve]

One statistic that is truly shocking is the Alaskan rape rate. 5 times higher than some rates in the east.

Why? Surely guns stop this sort of thing, or maybe they can just make it worse.

Actually, they might.

Rape is an "ambush" crime. Most rapists come up on women when they least expect it like when they are opening a car door in a parking lot or garage. And women will keep their handguns in their purse. For the most part it's impossible for them to get to it and the Rapist may make use of it.

On college campuses it is considered "Rape" if a woman consumed any amount of alcohol then had sex. Even if she initiated sex, she is a rape victim thanks to feminazis and limp wristed liberals.

 

[GreenBean]

The crime rate is way down in New York. It is one of the safest major cities in the world

Tough gun laws is the reason

Perhaps down in the sewer Norton, but not in the real world

Violent crime in New York City has been dropping since 1990. In 2013, there were 333 homicides, the lowest number since at least 1963 when reliable statistics were first kept. Crime rates spiked in the 1980s and early 1990s as the crack epidemic hit the city

as gun ownership increases, murder and suicide decreases. ............. If the astronomical murder rate in the nation's capitol {Where strict gun controllaws are in place}, in comparison to cities where gun ownership is permitted, didn't already make that fact clear, this study out of Harvard should.

"as gun ownership increases, murder and suicide decreases" - That's not an Opinion , But a proven Fact .

Harvard Study: Gun Control Is Counterproductive

 

[GreenBean]

In spite of weekly NRA propaganda, Chicago saw it murder rate drop 16% last year and recorded its fewest murders since 1965

It is what Republicans call a "war zone"

The Year in Murder: 2013 Marks a Historic Low for Many Cities - The Daily Beast

Wrongwinger continues to be the biggest tool on USMB. Over one weekend (Memorial Day weekend 2013), the city saw forty shootings and ten murders.

Let me repeat that - during a holiday weekend, the city had 40 shootings and 10 murders.

And wrongwinger wants to convince you that is "safe" and a "wonderful" thing. The worst part is though, if it were conservative policy that this occurred under, he would be having a ****'n annuerism and screaming like a mad man about the poor "children", and the loss of life, and sob-sob this, and sob-sob that, and oh the humanity. Proof that this tool is the worst partisan hack. No matter what the results either way, he will defend liberal failure to his last breath and denounce conservative success to his last breath.

Chicago's Memorial Day Weekend was Terrible

And major weekends fit into your annual crime rate. Any way you slice it, Chicago saw a 16% drop in its murder rate.

Gun control is working in Chicago despite NRA propaganda

Gun control is working in Chicago despite NRA propaganda

"No, not really. However you have to be able to read the statistics."

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

The crime rate is way down in New York. It is one of the safest major cities in the world

Tough gun laws is the reason

Then what's your excuse for Chicago and Washington D.C.?

Surrounding areas do not have anything resembling sensible gun legislation?

Whaddya think? AmIClose?

Not even remotely. Illinois, until the recent SCOTUS ruling had very restrictive gun laws, throughout the state. Chicago's violence has been a problem for a long time. Maryland is yet another state with very restrictive gun laws. Virginia, not so much, so if you have evidence that D.C.'s murder problem is due to VA gun laws feel free to present it. I suspect we'll all be waiting for an eternity since you don't and won't have any.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

The crime rate is way down in New York. It is one of the safest major cities in the world

Tough gun laws is the reason

Then what's your excuse for Chicago and Washington D.C.?

Haven't seen the DC numbers but Chicago murders are way down

Chicago murders are down over last year, that's correct. You know what else happened? They had to scrap their handgun ban.

What is your excuse for New Orleans huge murder rate with some of the laxist gun laws in the country?

High population of poor people. Those are the conditions that breed most violent crime, hence the reason urban areas generally experience more of it than suburban.

 

[Toro]

Idaho is over 90% white, Canada is about 75% white, and Canada has a lower murder rate than Idaho.

98% of all statistics are made up on the spot (people who aren't mindless liberals will enjoy the irony here). If you can't post a link backing up your false information, don't bother posting it.

Here you go.

Idaho is 94% white.

Idaho QuickFacts from the US Census Bureau

The average murder rate in Idaho over the past 15 years has been 2.27 per 100,000 inhabitants.

Murder Rates Nationally and By State | Death Penalty Information Center

Canada is 77% white.

Demographics of Canada - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The average murder rate in Canada over the past 15 years has been 1.83 per 100,000 population.

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tableaux/sum-som/l01/cst01/legal12b-eng.htm

Thus, though the white population is 22% higher in Idaho than in Canada, the murder rate in Idaho is 24% higher.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

NYC on track to be nation’s safest city

Welcome to Mayberry, NYC.

Murder in New York has dropped to levels not seen since the 1950s, and is falling so fast the Big Apple could finish the year with the lowest homicide rate of any big city in the nation.

There have been 279 homicides in the city through Oct. 31, down 23 percent from the 364 logged in the same 10-month period last year. The city is on pace for about 100 fewer slayings this year than the 419 it recorded last year, which was the lowest figure since 1962 when police began keeping reliable records....

NYC on track to be nation?s safest city | New York Post

Strict gun control works

Where is your evidence that's the reason? NYC's gun laws have been on the books for a long time without these results. My opinion is the reason their crime has decreased so much is due to the heavy handed tactics of law enforcement which began under Giuliani and continued under Bloomberg.

It's made the city safer, but done so at the expense of civil rights.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

One statistic that is truly shocking is the Alaskan rape rate. 5 times higher than some rates in the east.

Why? Surely guns stop this sort of thing, or maybe they can just make it worse.

Actually, they might.

Rape is an "ambush" crime. Most rapists come up on women when they least expect it like when they are opening a car door in a parking lot or garage. And women will keep their handguns in their purse. For the most part it's impossible for them to get to it and the Rapist may make use of it.

Wait a minute, are you making an argument that locking guns up and/or using trigger locks advantage the attacker?

 

[Toro]

You just defeated your own argument genius. New York has much stricter gun laws than Canada - they are completely banned in every capacity except for the rare exceptions when they actually grant a license - and yet New York has an exponentially higher murder rate than Canada.

Oops.....

False.

Handguns are all but banned in Canada.

In the US, you can buy a handgun at Wal-Mart then take it into New York City. They don't sell handguns at Wal-Mart anywhere in Canada. Because of America's much laxer gun laws, guns can easily permeate into New York City. That's not true in Canada. All incoming individuals are stopped and questioned when coming into the border in Canada. All incoming individuals are not stopped and questioned when coming into New York City.

It's also easier to obtain a handgun license in New York City. In Canada, to receive a permit for a handgun, you generally have to show a clear and present danger to yourself, or you are in a certain type of work. I know of no one in Canada who owns a handgun. I know people in NYC who do.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Yeah...all the gangbangers do!

 

[frigidweirdo]

One statistic that is truly shocking is the Alaskan rape rate. 5 times higher than some rates in the east.

Why? Surely guns stop this sort of thing, or maybe they can just make it worse.

Actually, they might.

Rape is an "ambush" crime. Most rapists come up on women when they least expect it like when they are opening a car door in a parking lot or garage. And women will keep their handguns in their purse. For the most part it's impossible for them to get to it and the Rapist may make use of it.

Yeah, they "might", but it appears that more guns equal more rape, whether it's guns that cause a higher rate of rape is a different matter.

The average rape rate in the US was 26.9 in 2012 United States Crime Rates 1960 - 2012

Alaska is 79.7

Looking at this map of how laws are going in different states after the Newton gun killing.

Those who have passed pro-gun bills are
South Dakota 70.2
Arkansas 42.3
Maine 28.0
Mississippi 27.5

Two of which are massively over average, and two of which are a bit higher.

New York the only one which has past anti gun laws is at 14.6

Now, you could go through all the stats, and you'd find states that have less guns laws and more guns in the hands of people but lower than average rape rates, and others which have are higher.

FBI ? Table 4

However the North East is 19.7
The mid west is 31.7
The south 27.1
The West 27.5

So the lowest area for rape is the North East which is the most liberal of areas, some of the stricter gun laws.

Now, are there other things that have an impact?

Compare States Education Spending for 2014 - Charts

I looked at how much local and state spending goes on education per capita. Alaska has the highest spending, which is worrying.

But, if guns can stop rapes, the question is whether they do so more than they empower men to commit rape with guns when otherwise they wouldn't. Hard to say really because you aren't going to find such stats.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Dead is dead

You'd be surprised.

 

[frigidweirdo]

And yet assaults (such as the one with the hammer which started this thread) are skyrocketing. Just look at the data... 2008: 24,831 (297.6), 2009: 26,457 (314.9), 2010: 27,309 (327.6), 2011: 29,829 (363.2), 2012: 31,211 (376.5). It has increased significantly every year for four straight years.

So basically, to justify their irrational anti-gun position, liberals are saying that it's ok if you are horribly assaulted, raped, and robbed. So long as you don't die, it's all good...

Murder is at its lowest since before 1965
Rape has been rising since 2009, however at 14.6 in 2012 it's nearly half the national average.
Robbery since 2009 is at it's lowest since before 1965
Violent crime has been rising since 2008, however it's as low as it was in 1967 and more than 2 1/2 times lower than the early 1990s.
Also at 406.8 it's lower than Texas which is at 408.6.

So, you can say that NY is irrational, yet without guns you're LESS LIKELY to be raped, less likely to be the victim of violent crime, less likely of being murdered, less likely of being robbed.

Merely pointing to a rise in crime since 2009 is meaningless, as it dropped massively before that since the 1990s.

 

[frigidweirdo]

I love when liberals make up "facts" with regards to subjects they know nothing about...

So who made what up?