Court Forces Non-Religious Mom To Get Christian Counseling Or Lose Custody Of Her Children

[jillian]

contradicts her recorded statements
that's on video.

How so when Salzman was interested in religion?
It's a she said, then she said type of thing.
We don't know which one is right or not.
We need other people to come forward if Pepper pushed religion on them.
It also seems that no one else so far is complaining about it.

i find pepper's claim that salzman was interested in having a religious class while professing a disbelief in god to be somewhat hard to swallow.
again, if you don't believe in a particular deity why would you want to learn how that supposed deity would want you to behave?

Did you forget about this part?
“There was interested in analyzing her belief system. She asked me specifically… how do I understand spirituality, meaning and purpose and life,” Pepper said.

i know what she claims. just doesn't seem very likely since she does say, on camera, that she knows salzman doesn't believe in god.
but again, i don't think this is a problem with the judge, or with the courts. I think it's a problem with farming out government work to someone with little oversight.

I can understand that.
What I have a problem with is, this is the only person so far that is complaining about her.

that you know of. so i'd say your information is, as usual, limited.

 

[ogibillm]

contradicts her recorded statements
that's on video.

How so when Salzman was interested in religion?
It's a she said, then she said type of thing.
We don't know which one is right or not.
We need other people to come forward if Pepper pushed religion on them.
It also seems that no one else so far is complaining about it.

i find pepper's claim that salzman was interested in having a religious class while professing a disbelief in god to be somewhat hard to swallow.
again, if you don't believe in a particular deity why would you want to learn how that supposed deity would want you to behave?

Did you forget about this part?
“There was interested in analyzing her belief system. She asked me specifically… how do I understand spirituality, meaning and purpose and life,” Pepper said.

i know what she claims. just doesn't seem very likely since she does say, on camera, that she knows salzman doesn't believe in god.
but again, i don't think this is a problem with the judge, or with the courts. I think it's a problem with farming out government work to someone with little oversight.

I can understand that.
What I have a problem with is, this is the only person so far that is complaining about her.

well, for one, if it were me in that position, i'd suck it up, do the time, and get it over with if the lady was telling me to give my life over the flying spaghetti monster. i mean this lady lost her kids because she stopped going. how many people in a position to lose their kids would raise a stink about the counseling the court ordered them to attend? my guess is not many. it's also tough to say how long she's been doing the counseling, and how many people would actually object to the religious aspects of it. most people in this country are christians after all.
finally, there always has to be a first.

 

[peach174]

How so when Salzman was interested in religion?
It's a she said, then she said type of thing.
We don't know which one is right or not.
We need other people to come forward if Pepper pushed religion on them.
It also seems that no one else so far is complaining about it.

i find pepper's claim that salzman was interested in having a religious class while professing a disbelief in god to be somewhat hard to swallow.
again, if you don't believe in a particular deity why would you want to learn how that supposed deity would want you to behave?

Did you forget about this part?
“There was interested in analyzing her belief system. She asked me specifically… how do I understand spirituality, meaning and purpose and life,” Pepper said.

i know what she claims. just doesn't seem very likely since she does say, on camera, that she knows salzman doesn't believe in god.
but again, i don't think this is a problem with the judge, or with the courts. I think it's a problem with farming out government work to someone with little oversight.

I can understand that.
What I have a problem with is, this is the only person so far that is complaining about her.

that you know of. so i'd say your information is, as usual, limited.

Did you miss the word so far?
You know of more?

Give us the details.

 

[peach174]

How so when Salzman was interested in religion?
It's a she said, then she said type of thing.
We don't know which one is right or not.
We need other people to come forward if Pepper pushed religion on them.
It also seems that no one else so far is complaining about it.

i find pepper's claim that salzman was interested in having a religious class while professing a disbelief in god to be somewhat hard to swallow.
again, if you don't believe in a particular deity why would you want to learn how that supposed deity would want you to behave?

Did you forget about this part?
“There was interested in analyzing her belief system. She asked me specifically… how do I understand spirituality, meaning and purpose and life,” Pepper said.

i know what she claims. just doesn't seem very likely since she does say, on camera, that she knows salzman doesn't believe in god.
but again, i don't think this is a problem with the judge, or with the courts. I think it's a problem with farming out government work to someone with little oversight.

I can understand that.
What I have a problem with is, this is the only person so far that is complaining about her.

well, for one, if it were me in that position, i'd suck it up, do the time, and get it over with if the lady was telling me to give my life over the flying spaghetti monster. i mean this lady lost her kids because she stopped going. how many people in a position to lose their kids would raise a stink about the counseling the court ordered them to attend? my guess is not many. it's also tough to say how long she's been doing the counseling, and how many people would actually object to the religious aspects of it. most people in this country are christians after all.
finally, there always has to be a first.

The biggest problem is we don't know why she was ordered by the court in the first place.
She and her ex was having conflicts of shared parenting after their divorce so they went to the New Mexico Family Court Division.

Just a guess, but maybe he wants to raise them as Christians and she doesn't.
Especially based on what was said about her saying how do I understand spirituality, meaning and purpose and life,”
Perhaps this was part of many reasons why they got divorced.
We just don't know.

 

[Dot Com]

The judge should be removed form the bench as he is doing something unconstitutional by forcing his religious beliefs on normal people




Holly Salzman is a loving mother of two sons who lives in Albuquerque, New Mexico. She recently sought court aid in coparenting her children with their father, from whom she is now divorced. The judge then ordered her to attend sessions with a Christian counselor or face contempt of court charges and lose custody of her children.


Court Forces Non-Religious Mom To Get Christian Counseling Or Lose Custody Of Her Children

Cross grovelers piss me off to no end!!!

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Right wing goyim should be placed in mental institutions

^ that

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[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

All this is is one more story of how pussified this country has became.

"I don't want to see gays"

" I don't want to hear a prayer"

"I....I...I..."

STFU and deal with it you pussies.

why would anyone want christianity shoved down their throat?

i think you should be force converted to judaism. how'd you like that, wanker?

No one was forced to convert here stupid.

"OMG I had to listen to a woman pray!!!!!"

You stupid morons.

no one should be forced to listen to it.

but thanks for once again proving that its sub;literates like you who tell everyone else how stupid they are.

wackjob

You are certainly not a lawyer, a first year law student knows that you don't have a right not to hear talk about God.

Talk about stupid.

The COTUS ONLY protects your rights from being violated by LAWS.

Nothing else.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

Christian counseling sounds like the right thing to do. Good for the judge. Btw liberals, the judge made a decision. We're all supposed to honor it like you all expect it for the Kim Davis matter.

Sucks don't it? You gave the judges all the power over us, so deal with it.

 

[daws101]

All this is is one more story of how pussified this country has became.

"I don't want to see gays"

" I don't want to hear a prayer"

"I....I...I..."

STFU and deal with it you pussies.

why would anyone want christianity shoved down their throat?

i think you should be force converted to judaism. how'd you like that, wanker?

No one was forced to convert here stupid.

"OMG I had to listen to a woman pray!!!!!"

You stupid morons.

no one should be forced to listen to it.

but thanks for once again proving that its sub;literates like you who tell everyone else how stupid they are.

wackjob

You are certainly not a lawyer, a first year law student knows that you don't have a right not to hear talk about God.

Talk about stupid.

The COTUS ONLY protects your rights from being violated by LAWS.

Nothing else.

Yes you do ever heard of nuisance laws?

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

All this is is one more story of how pussified this country has became.

"I don't want to see gays"

" I don't want to hear a prayer"

"I....I...I..."

STFU and deal with it you pussies.

why would anyone want christianity shoved down their throat?

i think you should be force converted to judaism. how'd you like that, wanker?

No one was forced to convert here stupid.

"OMG I had to listen to a woman pray!!!!!"

You stupid morons.

no one should be forced to listen to it.

but thanks for once again proving that its sub;literates like you who tell everyone else how stupid they are.

wackjob

You are certainly not a lawyer, a first year law student knows that you don't have a right not to hear talk about God.

Talk about stupid.

The COTUS ONLY protects your rights from being violated by LAWS.

Nothing else.

Yes you do ever heard of nuisance laws?

So you're suggesting that every person who talks about religion where you can hear it should be charged with causing a nuisance?

You're an idiot.

 

[daws101]

Christian counseling sounds like the right thing to do. Good for the judge. Btw liberals, the judge made a decision. We're all supposed to honor it like you all expect it for the Kim Davis matter.

Sucks don't it? You gave the judges all the power over us, so deal with it.

***** please! Conservatives are like white on rice when a judge rules in their favor .
When they don't you whine that they're activist judges.

 

[ogibillm]

Christian counseling sounds like the right thing to do. Good for the judge. Btw liberals, the judge made a decision. We're all supposed to honor it like you all expect it for the Kim Davis matter.

Sucks don't it? You gave the judges all the power over us, so deal with it.

even you aren't this dumb.

 

[daws101]

why would anyone want christianity shoved down their throat?

i think you should be force converted to judaism. how'd you like that, wanker?

No one was forced to convert here stupid.

"OMG I had to listen to a woman pray!!!!!"

You stupid morons.

no one should be forced to listen to it.

but thanks for once again proving that its sub;literates like you who tell everyone else how stupid they are.

wackjob

You are certainly not a lawyer, a first year law student knows that you don't have a right not to hear talk about God.

Talk about stupid.

The COTUS ONLY protects your rights from being violated by LAWS.

Nothing else.

Yes you do ever heard of nuisance laws?

So you're suggesting that every person who talks about religion where you can hear it should be charged with causing a nuisance?

You're an idiot.

Did'nt say or infer that .
I just pointed out the massive flaws in your pseudo logic

 

[AvgGuyIA]

Then give us the grounds for the order.

Look at the original decree of termination of the marriage pertaining to the children. Wanna bet there is something about children living in a religious environment?

And if there is, the judge has grounds.

******* wow! You're on the right side for once.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

No one was forced to convert here stupid.

"OMG I had to listen to a woman pray!!!!!"

You stupid morons.

no one should be forced to listen to it.

but thanks for once again proving that its sub;literates like you who tell everyone else how stupid they are.

wackjob

You are certainly not a lawyer, a first year law student knows that you don't have a right not to hear talk about God.

Talk about stupid.

The COTUS ONLY protects your rights from being violated by LAWS.

Nothing else.

Yes you do ever heard of nuisance laws?

So you're suggesting that every person who talks about religion where you can hear it should be charged with causing a nuisance?

You're an idiot.

Did'nt say or infer that .
I just pointed out the massive flaws in your pseudo logic

Daws, I'm magnitudes smarter than you are, and also you're a partisan chump.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

Then give us the grounds for the order.

Look at the original decree of termination of the marriage pertaining to the children. Wanna bet there is something about children living in a religious environment?

And if there is, the judge has grounds.

******* wow! You're on the right side for once.

Jake's often on the right side of the things. It just so happens the left is often right and Jake stands there screaming that he's actually the right.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

I don't understand how you people never learn and jump to conclusions in thread after thread after thread without knowing any facts.

Left and right.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Then give us the grounds for the order.

Look at the original decree of termination of the marriage pertaining to the children. Wanna bet there is something about children living in a religious environment?

And if there is, the judge has grounds.

******* wow! You're on the right side for once.

I am always on the right side, and am almost never wrong. You think ideology instead of what the law means and serving your neighbors. That is your greatest undoing.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Say that to him again, STTAB, and he might make you famous.

 

[daws101]

no one should be forced to listen to it.

but thanks for once again proving that its sub;literates like you who tell everyone else how stupid they are.

wackjob

You are certainly not a lawyer, a first year law student knows that you don't have a right not to hear talk about God.

Talk about stupid.

The COTUS ONLY protects your rights from being violated by LAWS.

Nothing else.

Yes you do ever heard of nuisance laws?

So you're suggesting that every person who talks about religion where you can hear it should be charged with causing a nuisance?

You're an idiot.

Did'nt say or infer that .
I just pointed out the massive flaws in your pseudo logic

Daws, I'm magnitudes smarter than you are, and also you're a partisan chump.

Besides being hilariously wrong I could be brain dead and still be infinitely smarter and more clever than you on your best day.

 

[daws101]

Then give us the grounds for the order.

Look at the original decree of termination of the marriage pertaining to the children. Wanna bet there is something about children living in a religious environment?

And if there is, the judge has grounds.

******* wow! You're on the right side for once.

I am always on the right side, and am almost never wrong. You think ideology instead of law and serve your neighbors. That is your greatest undoing.

You forgot modest.