corrupt US government blocks UN from having an independent investigation into 61 murdered palestines

[Humanity]

Go and read the Geneva Conventions...

Simple!

I look forward to you pointing out my "errors"

You should start with reading Article 5 which states:

Art. 5 Where in the territory of a Party to the conflict, the latter is satisfied that an individual protected person is definitely suspected of or engaged in activities hostile to the security of the State, such individual person shall not be entitled to claim such rights and privileges under the present Convention as would, if exercised in the favour of such individual person, be prejudicial to the security of such State.

And Israel does this how?

Shoot or shell first ask questions after?

That is not what the article states is it!

 

[Shusha]

Go and read the Geneva Conventions...

Simple!

I look forward to you pointing out my "errors"

You should start with reading Article 5 which states:

Art. 5 Where in the territory of a Party to the conflict, the latter is satisfied that an individual protected person is definitely suspected of or engaged in activities hostile to the security of the State, such individual person shall not be entitled to claim such rights and privileges under the present Convention as would, if exercised in the favour of such individual person, be prejudicial to the security of such State.

And Israel does this how?

Shoot or shell first ask questions after?

That is not what the article states is it!

The article says that if a person is suspected of or engaged in activities hostile to the security of the State then they are no longer afforded protection under the Convention.

There are an awful lot of persons suspected of or engaged in hostile activities threatening the security of Israel at the Gaza border. These are not protected persons under the GCIV. Your claim that Israel is murdering innocent civilians is patently false. Israel is acting correctly according to international law with respect to these threats.

 

[Hollie]

I guess you have a different idea to "obligation" than the rest of the world...

Oh wait, you are a zionut... Of course you would!

Israel can do no wrong brigade!

Leave out the logical fallacies and the shameful personal attacks and outline Israel's obligations in international law, or your own moral belief system, concerning response to combatants mixed with protected persons.

And answer the question about the government of Gaza's obligations under same.

Else admit you can't.

YAWN!

Geneva Conventions!

I feel no shame in personal attacks in the same way that Team Israel feels no shame in believing that it's ok to murder Palestinians, in fact, most call for their murder!

Most Israelis (in fact), call for the murder of Arabs-Moslems calling themselves Pal’istanians?

Team islsmic terrorist Pom Pom flailers seem to have a real problem with understanding facts vs. their hysterical, pointless claims.

 

[member]

I guess you have a different idea to "obligation" than the rest of the world...

Oh wait, you are a zionut... Of course you would!

Israel can do no wrong brigade!

Leave out the logical fallacies and the shameful personal attacks and outline Israel's obligations in international law, or your own moral belief system, concerning response to combatants mixed with protected persons.

And answer the question about the government of Gaza's obligations under same.

Else admit you can't.

YAWN!

Geneva Conventions!

I feel no shame in personal attacks in the same way that Team Israel feels no shame in believing that it's ok to murder Palestinians, in fact, most call for their murder!

"I feel no shame in personal attacks in the same way that Team Israel feels no shame in believing that it's ok to murder Palestinians, in fact, most call for their murder!"





"in fact, most call for their murder!" --- talk about being overly-dramatic [in this case]....

...ridiculous [call for their murder]........and your heroes -- the terrorists, barbarians. the kids, the ones under 18 tossing rocks, they should be riding their bikes instead.

but your 1/2 right.....Terrorists ? always hope their diabolical plan goes haywire first in their face...before hurting innocent people.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Well at least you don't try and defend Israel...

A step in the right direction!

When Israel retaliates against Hamas terrorists hiding among civilians, the Palestinian causalities
are entirely the fault of Hamas.

That's a Hamas war-crime, not an Israeli war-crime.

You need to check out what international law says about that. Then come back to us!

Why don't you post the law(s) you think apply. I'll be happy to point out your error(s).

Go and read the Geneva Conventions...

Simple!

I look forward to you pointing out my "errors"

I have read them. That's why I know you're wrong.

But feel free to post the part that you feel allows Hamas to attack Israel
and prevents retaliation because the Hamas cowards hide behind civilians.

Or run away...…..

Even when the definition of protected persons is set out in this way, it may seem rather complicated. Nevertheless, disregarding points of detail, it will be seen that there are two main classes of protected person: (1)... and (2) ' the whole population ' of occupied territories (excluding nationals of the Occupying Power).

Treaties, States parties, and Commentaries - Geneva Convention (IV) on Civilians, 1949 - 4 - - Commentary of 1958

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

When Israel retaliates against Hamas terrorists hiding among civilians, the Palestinian causalities
are entirely the fault of Hamas.

That's a Hamas war-crime, not an Israeli war-crime.

You need to check out what international law says about that. Then come back to us!

Why don't you post the law(s) you think apply. I'll be happy to point out your error(s).

Go and read the Geneva Conventions...

Simple!

I look forward to you pointing out my "errors"

I have read them. That's why I know you're wrong.

But feel free to post the part that you feel allows Hamas to attack Israel
and prevents retaliation because the Hamas cowards hide behind civilians.

Or run away...…..

Even when the definition of protected persons is set out in this way, it may seem rather complicated. Nevertheless, disregarding points of detail, it will be seen that there are two main classes of protected person: (1)... and (2) ' the whole population ' of occupied territories (excluding nationals of the Occupying Power).

Treaties, States parties, and Commentaries - Geneva Convention (IV) on Civilians, 1949 - 4 - - Commentary of 1958

Nevertheless, disregarding points of detail, it will be seen that there are two main classes of protected person: (1)... and (2) ' the whole population ' of occupied territories

If Hamas launches attacks from behind "protected persons", Israeli retaliation is still legal.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

When Israel retaliates against Hamas terrorists hiding among civilians, the Palestinian causalities
are entirely the fault of Hamas.

That's a Hamas war-crime, not an Israeli war-crime.

You need to check out what international law says about that. Then come back to us!

Why don't you post the law(s) you think apply. I'll be happy to point out your error(s).

Go and read the Geneva Conventions...

Simple!

I look forward to you pointing out my "errors"

I have read them. That's why I know you're wrong.

But feel free to post the part that you feel allows Hamas to attack Israel
and prevents retaliation because the Hamas cowards hide behind civilians.

Or run away...…..

Even when the definition of protected persons is set out in this way, it may seem rather complicated. Nevertheless, disregarding points of detail, it will be seen that there are two main classes of protected person: (1)... and (2) ' the whole population ' of occupied territories (excluding nationals of the Occupying Power).

Treaties, States parties, and Commentaries - Geneva Convention (IV) on Civilians, 1949 - 4 - - Commentary of 1958

If Hamas launches attacks from behind "protected persons", Israeli retaliation is still legal.

Even when the definition of protected persons is set out in this way, it may seem rather complicated. Nevertheless, disregarding points of detail, it will be seen that there are two main classes of protected person: (1) ' enemy nationals ' within the national territory of each of the Parties to the conflict

As your omitted info confirms.....DERP!

 

[RoccoR]

RE: corrupt US government blocks UN from having an independent investigation into 61 murdered palestines
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

You are trying to mislead people here. The is no authority for the Arab Palestinians to attack or otherwise assault and civilian (Israelis included) or members of the occupying power in general. I know that many Arab Palestinians, with a thirst for blood, like to suggest that there is some legal basis for them to attack Israelis. That is simply not the case. But the continued insinuation that they have this blood thirsty authority only serves to demonstrate the true criminal character of-of those that suggest just that.

Even when the definition of protected persons is set out in this way, it may seem rather complicated. Nevertheless, disregarding points of detail, it will be seen that there are two main classes of protected person: (1)... and (2) ' the whole population ' of occupied territories (excluding nationals of the Occupying Power).

Treaties, States parties, and Commentaries - Geneva Convention (IV) on Civilians, 1949 - 4 - - Commentary of 1958

(COMMENT)

If the Arab Palestinians target individuals from Israel inside the territories, then they are punished under Article 68. The Jihadist, the Fedayeen, Hostile Insurgents, Radicalized Islamic Followers, and Asymmetric fighters are prohibited from specific actions.:

• The Arab Palestinian may NOT commit an offence which is solely intended to harm the Occupying Power.

• The Arab Palestinian may NOT commit espionage, or serious acts of sabotage against the military installations of the Occupying Power or of intentional offences which have caused the death of one or more persons.​

Israelis are not considered protect persons because and the Occupying Power, would normally provide for the security of "Protected Persons" (only law-abiding Arab Palestinians). See Posting #400, pertaining to the specific Customary and International Humanitarian Law cited --- covering the criminal activity that the Arab Palestinians engage in every single day.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[RoccoR]

RE: corrupt US government blocks UN from having an independent investigation into 61 murdered palestines
※→ et al,

I always thought it a bit strange that the many Arab Palestinians that advocate and incite the typical criminal violence under the guise of "Resistance Movement" (and therefore legal) should do so knowing that it violates Customary and International Humanitarian Law, and is punishable by the same.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

You need to check out what international law says about that. Then come back to us!

Why don't you post the law(s) you think apply. I'll be happy to point out your error(s).

Go and read the Geneva Conventions...

Simple!

I look forward to you pointing out my "errors"

I have read them. That's why I know you're wrong.

But feel free to post the part that you feel allows Hamas to attack Israel
and prevents retaliation because the Hamas cowards hide behind civilians.

Or run away...…..

Even when the definition of protected persons is set out in this way, it may seem rather complicated. Nevertheless, disregarding points of detail, it will be seen that there are two main classes of protected person: (1)... and (2) ' the whole population ' of occupied territories (excluding nationals of the Occupying Power).

Treaties, States parties, and Commentaries - Geneva Convention (IV) on Civilians, 1949 - 4 - - Commentary of 1958

If Hamas launches attacks from behind "protected persons", Israeli retaliation is still legal.

Even when the definition of protected persons is set out in this way, it may seem rather complicated. Nevertheless, disregarding points of detail, it will be seen that there are two main classes of protected person: (1) ' enemy nationals ' within the national territory of each of the Parties to the conflict

As your omitted info confirms.....DERP!

Occupations have different rules.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: corrupt US government blocks UN from having an independent investigation into 61 murdered palestines
※→ et al,

I always thought it a bit strange that the many Arab Palestinians that advocate and incite the typical criminal violence under the guise of "Resistance Movement" (and therefore legal) should do so knowing that it violates Customary and International Humanitarian Law, and is punishable by the same.

Most Respectfully,
R

You never specify which International Laws the Palestinians violate.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Why don't you post the law(s) you think apply. I'll be happy to point out your error(s).

Go and read the Geneva Conventions...

Simple!

I look forward to you pointing out my "errors"

I have read them. That's why I know you're wrong.

But feel free to post the part that you feel allows Hamas to attack Israel
and prevents retaliation because the Hamas cowards hide behind civilians.

Or run away...…..

Even when the definition of protected persons is set out in this way, it may seem rather complicated. Nevertheless, disregarding points of detail, it will be seen that there are two main classes of protected person: (1)... and (2) ' the whole population ' of occupied territories (excluding nationals of the Occupying Power).

Treaties, States parties, and Commentaries - Geneva Convention (IV) on Civilians, 1949 - 4 - - Commentary of 1958

If Hamas launches attacks from behind "protected persons", Israeli retaliation is still legal.

Even when the definition of protected persons is set out in this way, it may seem rather complicated. Nevertheless, disregarding points of detail, it will be seen that there are two main classes of protected person: (1) ' enemy nationals ' within the national territory of each of the Parties to the conflict

As your omitted info confirms.....DERP!

Occupations have different rules.

So Israeli soldiers or civilians in Gaza can be attacked by Hamas, while Hamas hides behind civilians because.....occupation?

Can you show which part of the GC backs that claim?

 

[RoccoR]

RE: corrupt US government blocks UN from having an independent investigation into 61 murdered palestines
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Well, this is a bit misleading. Military Occupations and Foreign Civil Administrations are covered by exactly the same Customary and International Humanitarian Law that cover International Armed Conflicts (IACs) and
Non-International Armed Conflicts (NIAC).

Occupations have different rules.

(COMMENT)

Occupations, Civil Administrations, and generalized air/sea/land applicable laws are essentially the same. There are shared "Common Articles." What varies is that each situation has some unique applications.

But the obligations in the NIAC/AIC and the Occupations are essentially the same. You cannot target civilians unless they are engaged in activities that would negate their "protected status." And you cannot abuse the "protected status" to conduct criminal activity in war, or pursue Jihadist, Fedayeen, Hostile Insurgency, Radicalized Islamic Followers, and other activities of Asymmetric fighter. (Regardless of the Resistance Status).

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Humanity]

Your claim that Israel is murdering innocent civilians is patently false

How many more links would like me to post that proves you a liar?

Palestinian journalist killed in Israel-Gaza protests

You blind defense of Israel is that of a sick mind!

 

[Humanity]

Customary and International Humanitarian Law

You are aware that Israel is not except from that law?

 

[Hollie]

Your claim that Israel is murdering innocent civilians is patently false

How many more links would like me to post that proves you a liar?

Palestinian journalist killed in Israel-Gaza protests

You blind defense of Israel is that of a sick mind!

You rely too much on pointless melodrama as a way to sidestep your failed argument. Explain how your “murdering innocent civilians” nonsense applies in the context of a war zone created by Islamic terrorists.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: corrupt US government blocks UN from having an independent investigation into 61 murdered palestines
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Well, this is a bit misleading. Military Occupations and Foreign Civil Administrations are covered by exactly the same Customary and International Humanitarian Law that cover International Armed Conflicts (IACs) and
Non-International Armed Conflicts (NIAC).

Occupations have different rules.

(COMMENT)

Occupations, Civil Administrations, and generalized air/sea/land applicable laws are essentially the same. There are shared "Common Articles." What varies is that each situation has some unique applications.

But the obligations in the NIAC/AIC and the Occupations are essentially the same. You cannot target civilians unless they are engaged in activities that would negate their "protected status." And you cannot abuse the "protected status" to conduct criminal activity in war, or pursue Jihadist, Fedayeen, Hostile Insurgency, Radicalized Islamic Followers, and other activities of Asymmetric fighter. (Regardless of the Resistance Status).

Most Respectfully,
R

The main question was about the settlers: Are they civilians or not? According to the Geneva Accord they are not. Even according to the Israelis they are not.

In 2003 we went to Cairo. The Egyptians asked whether Hamas is ready to stop the martyrdom operations or not. We gave the Egyptians a better offer. We were ready to have an agreement to stop targeting civilians [on] both sides. The army is supposed to fight, but civilians should be out of it. The Egyptians agreed and passed it on to the Israelis.

Ariel Sharon sent Efraim Halevi, who was the head of Shin Bet at the time. The Egyptians, who were the mediators, negotiated with Halevi. When we reached the definition of civilians, we accepted the definition put forward by the Geneva Accord. The Israelis were surprised, as they did not expect that. We said that the settlers are not civilians and the answer was, yes, they are not.

Halevi went back to Israel, but Sharon rejected the proposal.

A Dialogue with Hamas - Part 1 - Worldpress.org

 

[Humanity]

Your claim that Israel is murdering innocent civilians is patently false

How many more links would like me to post that proves you a liar?

Palestinian journalist killed in Israel-Gaza protests

You blind defense of Israel is that of a sick mind!

You rely too much on pointless melodrama as a way to sidestep your failed argument. Explain how your “murdering innocent civilians” nonsense applies in the context of a war zone created by Islamic terrorists.

Exactly...

That is the kind of fucked up zionut thinking that induces a disliking of Israel.

Because your glorious Israel is beyond international and customary law because you morons think that Israel has some kind of 'special' status and beyond reproach.

When you retards start thinking about Israel as an 'ordinary' country then there might be some progress.

 

[Hollie]

Your claim that Israel is murdering innocent civilians is patently false

How many more links would like me to post that proves you a liar?

Palestinian journalist killed in Israel-Gaza protests

You blind defense of Israel is that of a sick mind!

You rely too much on pointless melodrama as a way to sidestep your failed argument. Explain how your “murdering innocent civilians” nonsense applies in the context of a war zone created by Islamic terrorists.

Exactly...

That is the kind of fucked up zionut thinking that induces a disliking of Israel.

Because your glorious Israel is beyond international and customary law because you morons think that Israel has some kind of 'special' status and beyond reproach.

When you retards start thinking about Israel as an 'ordinary' country then there might be some progress.

You made an effort to sidestep my comments but left yourself stuttrring and mumbling. So, the question remains; how does "murdering innocent civilians" apply in the context of a war zone created by Islamic terrorists?

You might also want to consider your claim about Israel having some special status. Islamic terrorists are the aggressors in the on-going border war. What international laws apply to the islamic terrorists and their acts of war?

 

[Humanity]

Your claim that Israel is murdering innocent civilians is patently false

How many more links would like me to post that proves you a liar?

Palestinian journalist killed in Israel-Gaza protests

You blind defense of Israel is that of a sick mind!

You rely too much on pointless melodrama as a way to sidestep your failed argument. Explain how your “murdering innocent civilians” nonsense applies in the context of a war zone created by Islamic terrorists.

Exactly...

That is the kind of fucked up zionut thinking that induces a disliking of Israel.

Because your glorious Israel is beyond international and customary law because you morons think that Israel has some kind of 'special' status and beyond reproach.

When you retards start thinking about Israel as an 'ordinary' country then there might be some progress.

You made an effort to sidestep my comments but left yourself stuttrring and mumbling. So, the question remains; how does "murdering innocent civilians" apply in the context of a war zone created by Islamic terrorists?

You might also want to consider your claim about Israel having some special status. Islamic terrorists are the aggressors in the on-going border war. What international laws apply to the islamic terrorists and their acts of war?

It's ok...

Your lack of intelligence and extreme bias and hatred of Islam will not be swayed so why would I bother wasting my time explaining something to you that is as obvious as the lack of brain cells in your head?