corrupt US government blocks UN from having an independent investigation into 61 murdered palestines

[member]

The Palestinians have the right to defend themselves from Israeli aggression.

Exactly. And they have the right to die as combatants in the conflict. They also have an obligation to protect the innocent civilians in their midst and remove them from areas of conflict where combatants are engaged.

You will find that Israel also has an obligation to protect the innocent civilians when it decides to bomb Gaza, fire live rounds into a crowd.

um, no. If innocent civilians mix themselves in with combatants then they become valid targets. Real innocent civilians would remove themselves from the situation.

Aha, just like Israel, you clearly do not have any understanding of international law...

You, just like Israel, should go check it out. It's quite fascinating!

Launching rockets at Israeli civilians, Hamas violation of international law.
Doing so while hiding amongst Palestinian civilians, another Hamas violation of international law.

"Well, at least you didn't deny Israels obligation!
Israel has FAILED the obligations to protect the civilians of Gaza. Period!"


"Launching rockets at Israeli civilians, Hamas violation of international law. Doing so while hiding amongst Palestinian civilians, another Hamas violation of international law."




"Israel has FAILED the obligations to protect the civilians of Gaza"

reminds me of the ramblings of a tribal terrorist and their pointy fingers......

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Exactly. And they have the right to die as combatants in the conflict. They also have an obligation to protect the innocent civilians in their midst and remove them from areas of conflict where combatants are engaged.

You will find that Israel also has an obligation to protect the innocent civilians when it decides to bomb Gaza, fire live rounds into a crowd.

um, no. If innocent civilians mix themselves in with combatants then they become valid targets. Real innocent civilians would remove themselves from the situation.

Aha, just like Israel, you clearly do not have any understanding of international law...

You, just like Israel, should go check it out. It's quite fascinating!

Launching rockets at Israeli civilians, Hamas violation of international law.
Doing so while hiding amongst Palestinian civilians, another Hamas violation of international law.

Well at least you don't try and defend Israel...

A step in the right direction!

When Israel retaliates against Hamas terrorists hiding among civilians, the Palestinian causalities
are entirely the fault of Hamas.

That's a Hamas war-crime, not an Israeli war-crime.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Exactly. And they have the right to die as combatants in the conflict. They also have an obligation to protect the innocent civilians in their midst and remove them from areas of conflict where combatants are engaged.

You will find that Israel also has an obligation to protect the innocent civilians when it decides to bomb Gaza, fire live rounds into a crowd.

um, no. If innocent civilians mix themselves in with combatants then they become valid targets. Real innocent civilians would remove themselves from the situation.

Aha, just like Israel, you clearly do not have any understanding of international law...

You, just like Israel, should go check it out. It's quite fascinating!

Launching rockets at Israeli civilians, Hamas violation of international law.
Doing so while hiding amongst Palestinian civilians, another Hamas violation of international law.

"Well, at least you didn't deny Israels obligation!
Israel has FAILED the obligations to protect the civilians of Gaza. Period!"


"Launching rockets at Israeli civilians, Hamas violation of international law. Doing so while hiding amongst Palestinian civilians, another Hamas violation of international law."




"Israel has FAILED the obligations to protect the civilians of Gaza"

reminds me of the ramblings of a tribal terrorist and their pointy fingers......

Israel has no obligation to protect civilians in Gaza when Hamas launches attacks from civilian buildings.
If Hamas launches a rocket from a school or hospital and Israel flattens the building, that's on Hamas.....
Sorry if that makes you cry.

 

[Humanity]

The Palestinians have the right to defend themselves from Israeli aggression.

Exactly. And they have the right to die as combatants in the conflict. They also have an obligation to protect the innocent civilians in their midst and remove them from areas of conflict where combatants are engaged.

You will find that Israel also has an obligation to protect the innocent civilians when it decides to bomb Gaza, fire live rounds into a crowd.

Israel absolutely does have that obligation. And she has been fulfilling that obligation astoundingly well by the military practices she has been using.

What has the government of Gaza been doing to protect the innocent civilians? Are they policing the protest and ensuring that all children and innocent civilians keep at least 300m from the fence? Are they searching people and removing weapons from everyone except combatants? Are they publicly urging calm and obedience to IDF instruction? What?

Well, at least you didn't deny Israels obligation!

Israel has FAILED the obligations to protect the civilians of Gaza. Period!

Israel has not failed in her obligation. On the contrary, her actions have been exemplary under the conditions. If you feel they are not, please provide an explanation of how they do not conform to international law and/or how you believe they should improve under the conditions.

Also please address my second set of points concerning what actions the government of Gaza is obligated to take to protect its own citizens.

I guess you have a different idea to "obligation" than the rest of the world...

Oh wait, you are a zionut... Of course you would!

Israel can do no wrong brigade!

 

[Humanity]

Exactly. And they have the right to die as combatants in the conflict. They also have an obligation to protect the innocent civilians in their midst and remove them from areas of conflict where combatants are engaged.

You will find that Israel also has an obligation to protect the innocent civilians when it decides to bomb Gaza, fire live rounds into a crowd.

um, no. If innocent civilians mix themselves in with combatants then they become valid targets. Real innocent civilians would remove themselves from the situation.

Aha, just like Israel, you clearly do not have any understanding of international law...

You, just like Israel, should go check it out. It's quite fascinating!

Launching rockets at Israeli civilians, Hamas violation of international law.
Doing so while hiding amongst Palestinian civilians, another Hamas violation of international law.

"Well, at least you didn't deny Israels obligation!
Israel has FAILED the obligations to protect the civilians of Gaza. Period!"


"Launching rockets at Israeli civilians, Hamas violation of international law. Doing so while hiding amongst Palestinian civilians, another Hamas violation of international law."




"Israel has FAILED the obligations to protect the civilians of Gaza"

reminds me of the ramblings of a tribal terrorist and their pointy fingers......

Well, you are a true "member" aren't you!

If you actually said anything among the blue text and over use of smilies perhaps you could try again?

 

[Humanity]

You will find that Israel also has an obligation to protect the innocent civilians when it decides to bomb Gaza, fire live rounds into a crowd.

um, no. If innocent civilians mix themselves in with combatants then they become valid targets. Real innocent civilians would remove themselves from the situation.

Aha, just like Israel, you clearly do not have any understanding of international law...

You, just like Israel, should go check it out. It's quite fascinating!

Launching rockets at Israeli civilians, Hamas violation of international law.
Doing so while hiding amongst Palestinian civilians, another Hamas violation of international law.

Well at least you don't try and defend Israel...

A step in the right direction!

When Israel retaliates against Hamas terrorists hiding among civilians, the Palestinian causalities
are entirely the fault of Hamas.

That's a Hamas war-crime, not an Israeli war-crime.

You need to check out what international law says about that. Then come back to us!

 

[Humanity]

You will find that Israel also has an obligation to protect the innocent civilians when it decides to bomb Gaza, fire live rounds into a crowd.

um, no. If innocent civilians mix themselves in with combatants then they become valid targets. Real innocent civilians would remove themselves from the situation.

Aha, just like Israel, you clearly do not have any understanding of international law...

You, just like Israel, should go check it out. It's quite fascinating!

Launching rockets at Israeli civilians, Hamas violation of international law.
Doing so while hiding amongst Palestinian civilians, another Hamas violation of international law.

"Well, at least you didn't deny Israels obligation!
Israel has FAILED the obligations to protect the civilians of Gaza. Period!"


"Launching rockets at Israeli civilians, Hamas violation of international law. Doing so while hiding amongst Palestinian civilians, another Hamas violation of international law."




"Israel has FAILED the obligations to protect the civilians of Gaza"

reminds me of the ramblings of a tribal terrorist and their pointy fingers......

Israel has no obligation to protect civilians in Gaza when Hamas launches attacks from civilian buildings.
If Hamas launches a rocket from a school or hospital and Israel flattens the building, that's on Hamas.....
Sorry if that makes you cry.

Well, sorry to make you look dumb again but Israel DOES have an obligation.

Butthurt again!

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

um, no. If innocent civilians mix themselves in with combatants then they become valid targets. Real innocent civilians would remove themselves from the situation.

Aha, just like Israel, you clearly do not have any understanding of international law...

You, just like Israel, should go check it out. It's quite fascinating!

Launching rockets at Israeli civilians, Hamas violation of international law.
Doing so while hiding amongst Palestinian civilians, another Hamas violation of international law.

Well at least you don't try and defend Israel...

A step in the right direction!

When Israel retaliates against Hamas terrorists hiding among civilians, the Palestinian causalities
are entirely the fault of Hamas.

That's a Hamas war-crime, not an Israeli war-crime.

You need to check out what international law says about that. Then come back to us!

Why don't you post the law(s) you think apply. I'll be happy to point out your error(s).

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

um, no. If innocent civilians mix themselves in with combatants then they become valid targets. Real innocent civilians would remove themselves from the situation.

Aha, just like Israel, you clearly do not have any understanding of international law...

You, just like Israel, should go check it out. It's quite fascinating!

Launching rockets at Israeli civilians, Hamas violation of international law.
Doing so while hiding amongst Palestinian civilians, another Hamas violation of international law.

"Well, at least you didn't deny Israels obligation!
Israel has FAILED the obligations to protect the civilians of Gaza. Period!"


"Launching rockets at Israeli civilians, Hamas violation of international law. Doing so while hiding amongst Palestinian civilians, another Hamas violation of international law."




"Israel has FAILED the obligations to protect the civilians of Gaza"

reminds me of the ramblings of a tribal terrorist and their pointy fingers......

Israel has no obligation to protect civilians in Gaza when Hamas launches attacks from civilian buildings.
If Hamas launches a rocket from a school or hospital and Israel flattens the building, that's on Hamas.....
Sorry if that makes you cry.

Well, sorry to make you look dumb again but Israel DOES have an obligation.

Butthurt again!

Israel is under no obligation to not retaliate, just because Hamas is hiding behind civilians.

 

[Shusha]

I guess you have a different idea to "obligation" than the rest of the world...

Oh wait, you are a zionut... Of course you would!

Israel can do no wrong brigade!

Leave out the logical fallacies and the shameful personal attacks and outline Israel's obligations in international law, or your own moral belief system, concerning response to combatants mixed with protected persons.

And answer the question about the government of Gaza's obligations under same.

Else admit you can't.

 

[Humanity]

Aha, just like Israel, you clearly do not have any understanding of international law...

You, just like Israel, should go check it out. It's quite fascinating!

Launching rockets at Israeli civilians, Hamas violation of international law.
Doing so while hiding amongst Palestinian civilians, another Hamas violation of international law.

Well at least you don't try and defend Israel...

A step in the right direction!

When Israel retaliates against Hamas terrorists hiding among civilians, the Palestinian causalities
are entirely the fault of Hamas.

That's a Hamas war-crime, not an Israeli war-crime.

You need to check out what international law says about that. Then come back to us!

Why don't you post the law(s) you think apply. I'll be happy to point out your error(s).

Go and read the Geneva Conventions...

Simple!

I look forward to you pointing out my "errors"

 

[Shusha]

Humanity

See, I think you believe that international law makes combatants immune to attack if they are hidden among civilians. Which is incorrect.

 

[Humanity]

Aha, just like Israel, you clearly do not have any understanding of international law...

You, just like Israel, should go check it out. It's quite fascinating!

Launching rockets at Israeli civilians, Hamas violation of international law.
Doing so while hiding amongst Palestinian civilians, another Hamas violation of international law.

"Well, at least you didn't deny Israels obligation!
Israel has FAILED the obligations to protect the civilians of Gaza. Period!"


"Launching rockets at Israeli civilians, Hamas violation of international law. Doing so while hiding amongst Palestinian civilians, another Hamas violation of international law."




"Israel has FAILED the obligations to protect the civilians of Gaza"

reminds me of the ramblings of a tribal terrorist and their pointy fingers......

Israel has no obligation to protect civilians in Gaza when Hamas launches attacks from civilian buildings.
If Hamas launches a rocket from a school or hospital and Israel flattens the building, that's on Hamas.....
Sorry if that makes you cry.

Well, sorry to make you look dumb again but Israel DOES have an obligation.

Butthurt again!

Israel is under no obligation to not retaliate, just because Hamas is hiding behind civilians.

So then, to use your 'logic'(?) Hamas is equally without blame as it is their obligation to ensure that they are no longer occupied territory!

 

[Humanity]

I guess you have a different idea to "obligation" than the rest of the world...

Oh wait, you are a zionut... Of course you would!

Israel can do no wrong brigade!

Leave out the logical fallacies and the shameful personal attacks and outline Israel's obligations in international law, or your own moral belief system, concerning response to combatants mixed with protected persons.

And answer the question about the government of Gaza's obligations under same.

Else admit you can't.

YAWN!

Geneva Conventions!

I feel no shame in personal attacks in the same way that Team Israel feels no shame in believing that it's ok to murder Palestinians, in fact, most call for their murder!

 

[Humanity]

Humanity

See, I think you believe that international law makes combatants immune to attack if they are hidden among civilians. Which is incorrect.

See, you should never assume anything!

 

[Shusha]

Go and read the Geneva Conventions...

Simple!

I look forward to you pointing out my "errors"

You should start with reading Article 5 which states:

Art. 5 Where in the territory of a Party to the conflict, the latter is satisfied that an individual protected person is definitely suspected of or engaged in activities hostile to the security of the State, such individual person shall not be entitled to claim such rights and privileges under the present Convention as would, if exercised in the favour of such individual person, be prejudicial to the security of such State.

 

[Shusha]

See, you should never assume anything!

So, you agree that combatants hidden in civilians are not immune to attack, then, yes? So given a mixed combatant/civilian population -- what obligations does each Party to the conflict have? This isn't hard. Why are you being so coy?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Launching rockets at Israeli civilians, Hamas violation of international law.
Doing so while hiding amongst Palestinian civilians, another Hamas violation of international law.

Well at least you don't try and defend Israel...

A step in the right direction!

When Israel retaliates against Hamas terrorists hiding among civilians, the Palestinian causalities
are entirely the fault of Hamas.

That's a Hamas war-crime, not an Israeli war-crime.

You need to check out what international law says about that. Then come back to us!

Why don't you post the law(s) you think apply. I'll be happy to point out your error(s).

Go and read the Geneva Conventions...

Simple!

I look forward to you pointing out my "errors"

I have read them. That's why I know you're wrong.

But feel free to post the part that you feel allows Hamas to attack Israel
and prevents retaliation because the Hamas cowards hide behind civilians.

Or run away...…..

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Launching rockets at Israeli civilians, Hamas violation of international law.
Doing so while hiding amongst Palestinian civilians, another Hamas violation of international law.

"Well, at least you didn't deny Israels obligation!
Israel has FAILED the obligations to protect the civilians of Gaza. Period!"


"Launching rockets at Israeli civilians, Hamas violation of international law. Doing so while hiding amongst Palestinian civilians, another Hamas violation of international law."




"Israel has FAILED the obligations to protect the civilians of Gaza"

reminds me of the ramblings of a tribal terrorist and their pointy fingers......

Israel has no obligation to protect civilians in Gaza when Hamas launches attacks from civilian buildings.
If Hamas launches a rocket from a school or hospital and Israel flattens the building, that's on Hamas.....
Sorry if that makes you cry.

Well, sorry to make you look dumb again but Israel DOES have an obligation.

Butthurt again!

Israel is under no obligation to not retaliate, just because Hamas is hiding behind civilians.

So then, to use your 'logic'(?) Hamas is equally without blame as it is their obligation to ensure that they are no longer occupied territory!

Hamas is to blame for the civilian casualties on both sides.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: corrupt US government blocks UN from having an independent investigation into 61 murdered palestines
※→ Shusha, Humanity,

Shuasha, you are 100% correct. See • ARTICLE 28 [ Link ] • consisting of the three principle rules and the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court.

See, I think you believe that international law makes combatants immune to attack if they are hidden among civilians. Which is incorrect.

(COMMENT)

Under Customary and International Humanitarian Law (IHL) (from the ICRC Database). which includes the Fourth Geneva Convention, the primary rules that are applicable are:

Rule 23. Each party to the conflict must, to the extent feasible, avoid locating military objectives within or near densely populated areas.

Rule 24. Each party to the conflict must, to the extent feasible, remove civilian persons and objects under its control from the vicinity of military objectives.

Rule 97. The use of human shields is prohibited.

Convention (IV) relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War. Geneva, 12 August 1949.
Treatment II. Danger zones
• ARTICLE 28 [ Link ] •

The presence of a protected person may not be used to render certain points or areas immune from military operations.
​

International and non-international armed conflicts

In the context of international armed conflicts, this rule is set forth in the Third Geneva Convention (with respect to prisoners of war), the Fourth Geneva Convention (with respect to protected civilians) and Additional Protocol I (with respect to civilians in general).[1] Under the Statute of the International Criminal Court, “utilizing the presence of a civilian or other protected person to render certain points, areas or military forces immune from military operations” constitutes a war crime in international armed conflicts.[2]

[1] Third Geneva Convention, Article 23, first paragraph (cited in Vol. II, Ch. 32, § 2251); Fourth Geneva Convention, Article 28 (ibid., § 2252); Additional Protocol I, Article 51(7) (adopted by consensus) (ibid., § 2254).
[2] ICC Statute, Article 8(2)(b)(xxiii) (ibid., § 2255).
Utilizing the presence of a civilian or other protected person to
render certain points, areas or military forces immune from military
operations;​

I hope this answer the question.

Most Resepctfully,
R