oh----fair statement----"FAITH" is almost a silly topic of "debate"
Zone1 Contradiction on Jews/Christians in Quran?
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Votto
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IF Christianity is made into a force for world political power then yes.
However, looking at the life of Christ they tried to make him a king after the miracle of loaves of bread and fish to feed the multitudes and he declined. Christ sought no political office and sought no military intervention.
Christ once said that his kingdom was not of this world nor could be. Granted, Constantine latched onto the Christian faith and claimed to conquer in the name of Christ, but Constantine was not even a Christian as he continued to worship the pagan gods. It is rumored, however, that he converted on his death bed, but to say that Constantine was doing the will of God by conquering with the sword in the name of God is just wrong. Constantine more than likely just wanted political power and saw how Christianity was spreading like wildfire despite being severely persecuted. In fact, the more they were persecuted and thrown to the lions the faster the fledgling faith seemed to spread. He just wanted a piece of it as all for his own selfish ambitions.
After the advent of the Guttenberg press and the increased learning ability of the populace to read, eventually the truth of what is in the Bible was revealed to the masses instead of them relying on the corrupt clergy of the Catholic church. It was at that time that the Christian faith began to move away from the notion of a theocracy.
But Islam cannot do so. Islam insists on living by Sharia law, which means controlling the political and military powers of this world, something Jesus spoke against.
thanks---but I don't remember Jesus speaking, specifically, against political and
military powers except POSSIBLY in an oblique manner against Roman rule.
According to the writings in the NT ---what HE DID DO---is send people out
into the world to spread a 'religious belief'----the rest is quite a bloody
history as a result of Constantine's Justinian law.
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John 18:35 “Am I a Jew?” Pilate replied. “Your own people and chief priests handed you over to me. What is it you have done?”
36 Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place.”
37 “You are a king, then!” said Pilate.
Jesus answered, “You say that I am a king. In fact, the reason I was born and came into the world is to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.”
38 “What is truth?” retorted Pilate.
Jesus told him that he was the truth, something that went right over his head.
Men like Pilate are looking for worldly solutions for the present time for all their needs and wants. They want it instantly or have no real interest.
I do not mean to offend you---BUT that is Constantine's book. John who?
John was a very common name back then----it is used even by arabic
speaking muslims----Sinwar's first name is YAHYA <<< john (don't let
this fact upset you----it is still a nice name)
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Constantine did not write the book of John
Try again.
Does that scripture sound anything like what a power-hungry political leader would write?
No.
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Christians (and Jews) don't "believe" in Allah. They worship another entity that has no such name. So, there would be no contradiction for the above mentioned "Allah" to hate them along with others that do not "believe" as is apparently desired.
of course he didn't write it----he commissioned it. Try reading it again.
What happened to "John's" originals? I have no doubt that it is
unreasonable to expect all the "gospels" to have survived---but at least
a few----somewhere. The NT supports Constantine's agenda TOO MUCH
for comfort. Constantine was the originator of the body of laws upon which
the INQUISITION was based. Are you suggesting to Pope Lucius III that he did
not understand the NT?----and Queen Isabella (friend of Cortez) ?
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The Christian Bible is what Christians are guided by
If you want to start a thread on questioning the authenticity of the Bible by all means start another thread.
I for one reject such accusations as do most Christians
Likewise, if you try to question the Koran then you will get the same treatment from Muslims.
The books are what they are that make both religions what they are.
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Is it Quran or Hadith claiming,
Marry was actually Miriam the prophetess, the sister of Moses,
and Pharaoh asked Haman to punish Mordechai for the 10 plagues?
It's the kinda nonsense that's got Mooohammad camel pissed
when the Jews naturally thought he was telling a joke.
And why Quran is undecided about Jews,
being divided between approaching
them to prove he's a prophet, and
murdering the Khaybar Jews,
and the flying donkey,
later in Jerusalem.
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ok----the koran is that which guides muslims. The funerals of the
KORANIC LEGAL KILLINGS of 8 young kidnapped hostages happened
today. I predict that the call upon the UN to consider the event---will
not happen. You need not predict---I know muslims and I know that
they consider or are taught to consider the koran to be DIVINE. I have
no idea what went on in the mind of Pope Lucius---but he endorsed
the Inquisition
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I do not consider any of the books of the Bible to have been tampered with by Constantine, although I suspect he prevented the book of Enoch from being included in the Canonized book because of his harsh position on the fate of world leaders, indicating that pretty much all of them will not be treated well in the next life due to their oppression and corruption and greed.
The Book of Enoch is referenced by the book of Jude, and it was used by the early Christian church before the time of Constantine.
But you are correct about Islam worshiping the Koran as being perfect.
However, I don't view the Bible the way they view their Koran. I view it as being written by flawed individuals who were inspired by God.
Conversely, Muslims believe Mo was perfect as well as their current religious leaders are perfect, but that is just a recipe for disaster if they are not perfect.
Christians only believe one man was perfect and that was Christ, and we have 4 different accounts of his life in the gospels that was written by imperfect people.
Having 4 different accounts of the life of Christ is why you have various witnesses in a court of law. The more witnesses the more evidence you have.
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Enoch is an interesting scriptural writing but arcane. Speaking of oppression
and corruption and greed-----take another look at Constantine.
Not fake, Pic. YAHYA is the arabic form of JOHN. John is and was
a very common name for a very long time almost all over the world
starting with Judea and with the spread of Christianity and Islam
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Arcane? Not good enough for ya?
Enoch is perhaps the most evangelic book written for the coming of Christ. It was written before Christ but you would not know is when reading it.
you are entitled to your interpretation
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the "my servants" sentence was never spoken by jesus - was included as the forgeries and fallacies of the christian bible by the crucifiers who wrote that bible.
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jesus was pure, the requirement to be heavenly ... jesus was not perfect nor does such a condition exist anywhere their errors are plenty to find.
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