Constitutional Conservatives Support Open Borders

[Synthaholic]

Maybe you should stick to Halakha. Here in the U.S. our Constitution gives the SCOTUS the authority to rule whether any law that comes before them is Constitutional or not.

That's it. Period.

Please cite which clause fo the Constitution does this, you ignorant prick.

Clause 2, Section 2.

There is no such thing as "Clause 2 Section 2" in citing the Constitution. Cites are by Article, Section, and Clause.
You are truly an ignorant prick.

I'm ignorant?

Section 2: CLICK
Section 2, Clause 2: CLICK

Stick to Halakha.

Damn, son. I click on the link and it brings me to the article headed:

Article Three of the United States Constitution

The stupid has really got a hold of you today.

Article 3, Section 2, Clause 2, you ignorant slut.

 

[Synthaholic]

How about EOs have zero to do with the Constitution? ANd then just go from there.

To where? Who gives a shit? There are plenty of powers that aren't written in the Constitution. That doesn't make them unlawful or unConstitutional.

 

[Synthaholic]

What bill was that?

What's wrong smarty pants, is your google broke?

Senate votes to bar Iran's UN pick from entering US | Fox News

Oh, I thought it was going to be a re-naming of a post office in Reagan's honor. But this is close.

A showboat bill. OK, that's cool. But it's nothing of consequence.

Cruz is a civil service, elective lightweight. He should have followed Al Franken's lead and kept his fucking mouth closed for the first term, and do a lot of work. Ted Cruz could have done the work. He has a decent brain. But he chose to run for POTUS after 3 years of being in public office, and never having any Executive experience.

Wow, imagine the nerve of a white man running for president after only 3 years of being in public office!
Actually Cruz was in public office since 2003 as Solicitor General.

Federal bureaucrat - the type you abhore. Except when it's a conservative. He was appointed, not elected.

Cruz is unqualified.

Dayum you just keep racking up the points. Are you trying for dumbest poster on USMB? Some kind of contest with Nutwinger?
Cruz was SOlicitor General of Texas, dumbshit, which isn't a federal position. Yet. And the fact tht he was appointed not elected does not make that position not a public office.

Getting appointed is just cronyism, especially in Texas.

I thought you were referring to his work in the Bush admin.

Cruz is disqualified from being POTUS due to being a natural-born Canadian, not an American.

 

[Synthaholic]

Which part of the Constitution grants Congress the power to set immigration rules

You're moving the goalpost, dopey. It's about whether the Fed Gov has the Constitutional right to control the border. That was your argument. Not immigration.

So immigration doesn't have to do with people moving over the border? You're exhausting your quota of dumb and ignorant today.

What is the OP about, open borders or immigration?

 

[Synthaholic]

ON that count everything is a national security issue, which means the Constitution grants unlimited power, which we know is not the case.

It depends on whether you have lawyers like John Yoo on staff, signing off on your illegal acts with his "professional opinion".

 

[Synthaholic]

Where does the fed gov get the authority in the Constitutioon to regulate the border?

Already answered and then re-highlighted: national security.

 

[Synthaholic]

On your view everything is national security. NSA spying is national security. Drug dealing is national security. TSA is national security. You can make a case for everything being part of national security and thus everything is authorized under the Constitution.

That's exactly what the Bush administration did, whether you see it, or admit it.

 

[Synthaholic]

The only people I've ever heard advocating open borders are Socialists who hope to flood our country with illegal immigrants in order to collapse the infrastructure and bring down the capitalist beast.

This is comic book fanboy nonsense.

 

[OKTexas]

Yet we still have modern day slaves imported virtually daily. What's wrong can't find anything that says the Article I cited isn't in full effect? STFU till you do.

Really? We have slaves imported into this country? Link?

Initial estimates cited in the TVPA suggested that approximately 50,000 individuals were trafficked into the United States each year. This estimate was subsequently reduced to 18,000 20,000 in the U.S. Department of States June 2003 Trafficking in Persons Report, and in its 2005 and 2006 reports, altered again to an estimate of 14,500 17,500 individuals trafficked annually into the United States.

According to official administrative data, since 2001, the U.S. Department of Justice has prosecuted 360 defendants in human trafficking cases, and secured 238 convictions (U.S. Department of Justice, 2007).

Additionally, as of June 2007, 1,264 foreign nationals (adults and children) have been certified by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services as victims of human trafficking, eligible to receive public benefits. Of these, 1,153 are adults, with 69 percent female victims. Of the 111 minor victims certified, 82 percent were female. For some victim service providers and NGOs, these figures are not considered representative of the actual number of human trafficking victims in the country. They believe that many victims go unreported (and uncounted) because they do not want to cooperate with law enforcement and, therefore, are never reported to authorities or receive Federal assistance (Caliber Associates, 2007).

Human Trafficking Into and Within the United States: A Review of the Literature

OK so there is no legal slavery, as per the 13th Amendment.
Thanks, Capt Obvious.

All I said is it's happening, not that it was legal, and congress has the Constitutional authority to pass laws concerning that, but also migration into the country per Article 1, Section 9. So take you childish snide comments and shove them up your obviously regressive ass.

It's so fun to see people bitter when they lose an argument. Better luck next time.

So typical of a regressive to get their ass kicked and then declare victory. Fuck of slime ball.

 

[Contumacious]

How about EOs have zero to do with the Constitution? ANd then just go from there.

To where? Who gives a shit? There are plenty of powers that aren't written in the Constitution. That doesn't make them unlawful or unConstitutional.

BULLSHIT.

Fedgov's powers are specifically enumerated, if they are not they the authority has been USURPED.

I understand that the fascists, socialists, the berners don't have a problem with that.

Freedom loving Americans, on the other hand. must be very very concerned.


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[ninja007]

libs love it- immigration- legal or illegal- means less white people.

 

[Contumacious]

Well thank you for admitting that you are a racist motherfucker .

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We weren't even talking about race, you fucking moron.

Suck my rod you stupid son of a bitch - be a man and admit that you are a KKK Grand Wizard.

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Look how this series of posts degenerated once a left-wing loon got involved. I don't care to be any type of message board police...anyone ought to be free to made a fool of himself any way he wants too...and it is good that this Board allows it.

But it is becoming increasingly remarkable....increasingly worth noting...how completely bankrupt, foolish, and uneducated the left-wing responses on this board are.

You can't have political discussion with a left-winger....you get "racist mother-fucker" when race was not even in the discussion....and "suck my rod you stupid son-of-a-bitch" when that fact is pointed out.

The absurdity is palpable...and it is in every thread that a liberal is involved in.

Their entire repertoire of Political Discussion is some variation of:

Nutter

Racist

Homophobe

Rube

Islamophobe

Hater Dupe (I have the Hater Dupe guy on ignore)

Bigot

And they have no idea how foolish they look. What does that tell you?

Suck my rod you stupid racist son-of-a-bitch , Listen cocksucker ,

a link was provided showing that Thomas Jefferson, our 3rd Prez and Founding Father opposed the 1798 Immigration Act - Congress allowed it expired in 1800 and there were NO IMMIGRATION Laws until a RACIST SCOTUS declared that because the Chinese wanted to work in the California gold mines thereby upsetting the Aryan Brotherhood that there was "an emergency" requiring the motherfuckers to act a a mini-legislature and amending the Constitution,

REBUT and/or REFUTE with FACTS


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Suck my rod you stupid racist son-of-a-bitch , Listen cocksucker ,

a link was provided showing that Thomas Jefferson, our 3rd Prez and Founding Father opposed the 1798 Immigration Act - Congress allowed it expired in 1800 and there were NO IMMIGRATION Laws until a RACIST SCOTUS declared that because the Chinese wanted to work in the California gold mines thereby upsetting the Aryan Brotherhood that there was "an emergency" requiring the motherfuckers to act a a mini-legislature and amending the Constitution,

REBUT and/or REFUTE with FACTS

 

[jon_berzerk]

article IV section 4

The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government, and shall protect each of them against invasion; and on application of the legislature, or of the executive (when the legislature cannot be convened) against domestic violence.

 

[Contumacious]

article IV section 4

The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government, and shall protect each of them against invasion; and on application of the legislature, or of the executive (when the legislature cannot be convened) against domestic violence.

Do you motherfuckers ever read the Constitutional debates and the Founding Fathers positions?

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[TheGreatGatsby]

We weren't even talking about race, you fucking moron.

Suck my rod you stupid son of a bitch - be a man and admit that you are a KKK Grand Wizard.

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____________________________

Look how this series of posts degenerated once a left-wing loon got involved. I don't care to be any type of message board police...anyone ought to be free to made a fool of himself any way he wants too...and it is good that this Board allows it.

But it is becoming increasingly remarkable....increasingly worth noting...how completely bankrupt, foolish, and uneducated the left-wing responses on this board are.

You can't have political discussion with a left-winger....you get "racist mother-fucker" when race was not even in the discussion....and "suck my rod you stupid son-of-a-bitch" when that fact is pointed out.

The absurdity is palpable...and it is in every thread that a liberal is involved in.

Their entire repertoire of Political Discussion is some variation of:

Nutter

Racist

Homophobe

Rube

Islamophobe

Hater Dupe (I have the Hater Dupe guy on ignore)

Bigot

And they have no idea how foolish they look. What does that tell you?

Suck my rod you stupid racist son-of-a-bitch , Listen cocksucker ,

a link was provided showing that Thomas Jefferson, our 3rd Prez and Founding Father opposed the 1798 Immigration Act - Congress allowed it expired in 1800 and there were NO IMMIGRATION Laws until a RACIST SCOTUS declared that because the Chinese wanted to work in the California gold mines thereby upsetting the Aryan Brotherhood that there was "an emergency" requiring the motherfuckers to act a a mini-legislature and amending the Constitution,

REBUT and/or REFUTE with FACTS


.

Suck my rod you stupid racist son-of-a-bitch , Listen cocksucker ,

a link was provided showing that Thomas Jefferson, our 3rd Prez and Founding Father opposed the 1798 Immigration Act - Congress allowed it expired in 1800 and there were NO IMMIGRATION Laws until a RACIST SCOTUS declared that because the Chinese wanted to work in the California gold mines thereby upsetting the Aryan Brotherhood that there was "an emergency" requiring the motherfuckers to act a a mini-legislature and amending the Constitution,

REBUT and/or REFUTE with FACTS

Mrs. Tough Libtard-Wingnut. I hyphenated your name for ya. I know how you douches like that.

 

[bripat9643]

Most people that call themselves "constitutional conservatives" don't base what they say on the reality of the constitution, but based on their hatred of government. Don't fucking tell me that millions of professors in law, constitutional matters and judges are all wrong and some red neck backwater prick is somehow right.

That's exactly correct. They are all wrong. They have a vested interest in ignoring the Constitution.

The constitution allows the federal government to have a public sector and to help people. Period. in away if the people vote for the government to do things = more democratic. i am glad we have clean air, water and food regulations in this country! I am glad we have a government that believes education and science is worth investing in.

Wrong. We have a Constitution of enumerated powers. That means government can do only the things enumerated in the document. Welfare and Social Security aren't on the list of those powers.

 

[bripat9643]

If Obama will not enforce a law then he effectively legalizes whatever the law criminalized. That is making law.

You remain an idiot who thinks he's smart. The saddest type.

Please show me where conservatives have railed against prosecutorial discretion, because that's all this is.

Obama is a prosecutor? Wow, who knew?
You stupid ignorant prick,an EO is not the document a prosecutor issues.

It's still the use of legal discretion. Prosecutors have it in determining whether to prosecute a crime, and the POTUS has it in determining whether to enforce.

What section of the Constitution gives the POTUS the power to choose which laws he wants to enforce? There is none, you ignorant prick.

You gotta laugh at Synthoholic thinking he could debate Cruz. He's such a coward that he even puts little o me on "ignore" because he can't take getting his ass whipped on a constant basis.

 

[jon_berzerk]

article IV section 4

The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government, and shall protect each of them against invasion; and on application of the legislature, or of the executive (when the legislature cannot be convened) against domestic violence.

Do you motherfuckers ever read the Constitutional debates and the Founding Fathers positions?

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you are such a dope

try Article I, Section 8 as well

To establish a uniform rule of naturalization

 

[The Rabbi]

article IV section 4

The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government, and shall protect each of them against invasion; and on application of the legislature, or of the executive (when the legislature cannot be convened) against domestic violence.

A person getting off a boat is not invading. That' s just nonsense.

 

[Boss]

It isnt ridiculous. It is the principle of Constitutional Conservatives.

I am a constitutional conservative, I listen to constitutional conservatives speak, I read books by them, I have never heard THIS argument made by any of them. The only people I've ever heard advocating open borders are Socialists who hope to flood our country with illegal immigrants in order to collapse the infrastructure and bring down the capitalist beast.

With open borders, we ostensibly cease to have a country. A constitution means nothing with no country. I'm not sure about what kind of point you're trying to make, I've scratched my head through this whole thread wondering about that. Sometimes, people can be absurd to illustrate absurdity... but I don't think that's the case here, I think you're being genuine. This is not the principle of any constitutional conservative I know of and I don't see where you've posted any examples of a prominent conservative uttering such a thing. This gets my vote for most bizarre thread of the week.

OK then if you are a Constitutional Conservative you can cite what authority Congress has to regulate immigration. Don't give me the Naturalization clause because we've already covered that.

But that IS the authority to regulate immigration. We've covered it and you simply denied reality and claimed it doesn't deal with immigration... but it does. That is exactly what naturalization is... the dealing with immigration by government.

Your parsing of the constitution leads to things like claiming the 2nd amendment doesn't allow us to own guns or the 1st amendment doesn't allow religious freedom.