Cons/repubs: how often do you think republicans in office lie or distort the truth?

[Edgetho]

"They're all bitches" huh guys?

Just because you can't hang on to a good one, just because you refuse to try to understand them, just because you can't tell the difference between a good one and a bad one....... 'They're all bitches'

get a fucking clue

 

[DennyO]

I tend to agree with the one is more insightful than I who said politicians only lie when their lips are moving. I think they all will sell their mothers into slavery for just one more vote.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Edge, George Washington himself warned of the perils of parties. The founders themselves were wary of parties, they neither anticipated nor desired parties. They expressed such in Federalist #10.

However [political parties] may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion.

-George Washington, Farewell Address, September 19, 1796

It is in vain to say that enlightened statesmen will be able to adjust these clashing interests, and render them all subservient to the public good. Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. Nor, in many cases, can such an adjustment be made at all without taking into view indirect and remote considerations, which will rarely prevail over the immediate interest which one party may find in disregarding the rights of another or the good of the whole.

-James Madison, Federalist #10, November 22, 1787

 

[American4Americ]

Edge, George Washington himself warned of the perils of parties. The founders themselves were wary of parties, they neither anticipated nor desired parties. They expressed such in Federalist #10.

However [political parties] may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion.

-George Washington

It is in vain to say that enlightened statesmen will be able to adjust these clashing interests, and render them all subservient to the public good. Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. Nor, in many cases, can such an adjustment be made at all without taking into view indirect and remote considerations, which will rarely prevail over the immediate interest which one party may find in disregarding the rights of another or the good of the whole.

-James Madison, Federalist #10, November 22, 1787

Hardly, James Madison was the first to take steps to form a political party, with Thomas Jefferson. George Washington was also being naïve, since he acted like a partisan federalist.

 

[hjmick]

As often as Democrats... Damn near every time they open their mouths.

 

[Edgetho]

I tend to agree with the one is more insightful than I who said politicians only lie when their lips are moving. I think they all will sell their mothers into slavery for just one more vote.

And I think you, not just you, but all of the ones who think TAL (they all lie) need to cite specific examples.......

We have some glaring examples of dimocraps lying...

For instance, never before in the history of this Country has a sitting Attorney General been held in CRIMINAL Contempt of Congress.

the scumbag-in-chief PERSONALLY lied about his signature HC Plan. And we all know it.

He also personally lied about Benghazi.

His Administration has lied about the IRS targeting of Conservative Groups.

He has personally lied about the NSA.

Then there's Fast and Furious.

How about the DOJ tapping the phones of over 100 Journalists? They lied about that, too.

Not to mention the tapping of Fox News' James Rosen AND HIS MOTHER'S telephones?

And the lying scumbag Eric Himmler stating that he never had anything to do with any Reporters phones being tapped WHEN HE PERSONALLY SIGNED THE AFFIDAVIT TO HAVE THE PHONES TAPPED.

How about Solyndra?

Dozens more.

People, the dimocrap party is a criminal organization. Just that goddamned simple

 

[TemplarKormac]

Edge, George Washington himself warned of the perils of parties. The founders themselves were wary of parties, they neither anticipated nor desired parties. They expressed such in Federalist #10.

However [political parties] may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion.

-George Washington

It is in vain to say that enlightened statesmen will be able to adjust these clashing interests, and render them all subservient to the public good. Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. Nor, in many cases, can such an adjustment be made at all without taking into view indirect and remote considerations, which will rarely prevail over the immediate interest which one party may find in disregarding the rights of another or the good of the whole.

-James Madison, Federalist #10, November 22, 1787

Hardly, James Madison was the first to take steps to form a political party, with Thomas Jefferson. George Washington was also being naïve, since he acted like a partisan federalist.

Spoken as a true partisan yourself.

And yeah, because Madison and Jefferson were in opposition to Alexander Hamilton. Hamilton wanted a stronger centralized government, and stronger ties with Britain. It's easy to assume Madison and Jefferson didn't like that platform, simply because their principles were based on limited government, and INDEPENDENCE FROM BRITAIN. The quote by Madison was made in 1787, five years before the formation of the Democrat-Republican Party and during the ratification of the US Constitution. Washington's quote was made four years after the formation of the Democrat-Republican Party.

Also, Washington was not a member of any party during his presidency. Let's stop the lies right here and now.

 

[Edgetho]

Edge, George Washington himself warned of the perils of parties. The founders themselves were wary of parties, they neither anticipated nor desired parties. They expressed such in Federalist #10.

However [political parties] may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion.

-George Washington, Farewell Address, September 19, 1796

It is in vain to say that enlightened statesmen will be able to adjust these clashing interests, and render them all subservient to the public good. Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. Nor, in many cases, can such an adjustment be made at all without taking into view indirect and remote considerations, which will rarely prevail over the immediate interest which one party may find in disregarding the rights of another or the good of the whole.

-James Madison, Federalist #10, November 22, 1787

There have been two great Revolutions in Human History, both of them in the 18th Century.

One was ours.... 1776-1783. The greater of the two because it was successful.

The other was the most cataclysmic event in the history of western Civilization...

The French Revolution 1789-1799.

IMO, Washington was fearful of the rise of people who thought like, and sympathized with, the French Revolutionaries -- Robespierre, et al.

Which Jefferson did. And so did a lot of other Americans at the time.... And to this day.

To this day, there are still two, and only two, schools of revolutionary thought in this world....

One based on American ideas and ideals and one based on the French ideal.

Never, not one time in 200 years, has any country succeeded using the French Revolution as a template for society..... communism, Fascism, socialism, Nazism.... All were the bastard children of the filthy whore, the French Revolution.

While every Country that has ever embraced the ideals and goals of the American Revolution has met with success.

And that, my children, is the difference between the parties today. Ours, the Republican Party is based on the ideals of the American Revolution, where the individual reigns supreme.

Theirs... dimocrap scum, is based on the French Revolution where the individual is merely a servant of the State.

You should look into it. It's fun and interesting.

 

[TemplarKormac]

And I resent being told I have "lost my way" simply because I don't support the establismentarians in Washington. They all lie, they all look after their own hides. Its easy to see when they run for office on promises they never keep. I speak only of the establishment, not of those who actually DO give a damn about America.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Don't puss around on this question. Don't say something stupid like "no one lies like democrats!". Just answer the question. How honest do you think republicans are?

And since I know some of you will ask, yes, I do think democrats lie and distort the truth. Happy? Okay, now you're turn. How full of shit are republicans?

The sooner you accept ALL politicians lie, the sooner things will make a bit more sense.

 

[Edgetho]

Edge, George Washington himself warned of the perils of parties. The founders themselves were wary of parties, they neither anticipated nor desired parties. They expressed such in Federalist #10.

Hardly, James Madison was the first to take steps to form a political party, with Thomas Jefferson. George Washington was also being naïve, since he acted like a partisan federalist.

Spoken as a true partisan yourself.

And yeah, because Madison and Jefferson were in opposition to Alexander Hamilton. Hamilton wanted a stronger centralized government, and stronger ties with Britain. It's easy to assume Madison and Jefferson didn't like that platform, simply because their principles were based on limited government, and INDEPENDENCE FROM BRITAIN. The quote by Madison was made in 1787, five years before the formation of the Democrat-Republican Party and during the ratification of the US Constitution. Washington's quote was made four years after the formation of the Democrat-Republican Party.

Also, Washington was not a member of any party during his presidency. Let's stop the lies right here and now.

It's "democratic-Republican" and Jefferson always referred to himself as a 'Republican'.

The word 'democratic' was added to make it seem like it was more populist.

But modern day dimocraps can have Jefferson. He is my least favorite Founding Father because of his sympathy for the French Revolution..... One of the most barbaric and blood-thirsty, psychopathic murdering events in history.

And Jefferson knew it. He backed away from it after being pressured, but he never renounced the French revolution.

 

[TemplarKormac]

All of the Founding Fathers are important. I avoid pigeonholing them into categories. Because without any of them, this America wouldn't exist.

 

[Edgetho]

All of the Founding Fathers are important. I avoid pigeonholing them into categories. Because without any of them, this America wouldn't exist.

That was in answer to your post about Washington fearing party politics.

What he really feared was the pro-French Revolution democratic-Republicans.

Fortunately, Jefferson walked away from the Radicals in the party and aligned himself with much more moderate forces after he won the presidency in 1800. Otherwise, there would have probably been another War here.

While many people in this Country sympathized with French revolution in abstract, they didn't want the radical policies that came with it.

Now days, they do.

Republicans and dimocraps aren't a new thing...... It goes back to very founding of this Country.

What are we going to be..... Robespierre radicals or Washington moderates?

Up to this point, with the FDR regime as a notable exception, we've been Washington moderates.

Now, the dimocraps feel like they have enough power to finally show their true colors.

Note; the dimocrap party has had a lot of strange bedfellows (slavers, eugenicists, etc), but the heart of the dimocrap party is as I have noted..... French Revolutionary

 

[JakeStarkey]

Cons/repubs: how often do you think republicans in office lie or distort the truth?

About as much as liberals/Dems