Confederate flag is racist? So why did 4 NORTHERN states have legal slavery during the Civil War.?

[OohPooPahDoo]

KY MD DE and MO all had legal widespread slavery during the 4 years of the Civil War. Around 400,000 slaved combined in the 4 states. How could the CW possibly be about slavery then???

The idea that the CW was about slavery is not just wrong, it's absurd. But most americans have been brainwashed into believing it.

The Confederacy was a nation founded on white supremacy. The United States was founded in spite of white supremacy.

See the difference?

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

KY MD DE and MO all had legal widespread slavery during the 4 years of the Civil War. Around 400,000 slaved combined in the 4 states. How could the CW possibly be about slavery then???

The idea that the CW was about slavery is not just wrong, it's absurd. But most americans have been brainwashed into believing it.

The Southern states explicitly stated it was about slavery in their secession declarations, as did prominent southern politicians. DERP. Have you ever read Alexander Hamilton Stephens "cornerstone" speech? No, of course not. Let me sketch it out for you - the "cornerstone" of the Confederacy is the idea that men are NOT created equal, and that the subjugation of blacks as slaves to whites was the natural and proper order of things.

 

[Rogue 9]

KY MD DE and MO all had legal widespread slavery during the 4 years of the Civil War.

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Those states were not Northern and someone from one of them at the time would have been insulted had you said so; they were loyal. There's a difference.

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OMG - what a brazen liar you are!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They most certainly were northern. Their govts chose to stay in the union and they fought for the north and they participated in the 1862 and 1864 northern elections. And yet they practiced slavery. That is proof positive that the CW was NOT about slavery.

The four border states could have gone to the south but chose not to. If they had, there would have been no war because the north wouldn't have had a chance.

That doesn't make them "northern," you goddamned idiot; it made them not treasonous. You don't have to be from the North to not commit treason.

. The historical record is overwhelmingly clear; the Slave Power seceded to preserve and expand the institution of slavery.

No - slave power didn't. Four of the slave states stayed in the union. How do you explain that?? If lincoln's goal was to free the slaves why didn't he order the four northern slave states to end slavery or join the south. THINK

I explain that by the majority of the residents of those states not being insane. Just because the slave states didn't act in a monolithic bloc does not mean that the ones that did secede did not do so out of a bid to preserve and expand slavery, just like they said (which you blithely ignored while quoting my post).

KY MD DE and MO all had legal widespread slavery during the 4 years of the Civil War. Around 400,000 slaved combined in the 4 states. How could the CW possibly be about slavery then???

The idea that the CW was about slavery is not just wrong, it's absurd. But most americans have been brainwashed into believing it.

The Southern states explicitly stated it was about slavery in their secession declarations, as did prominent southern politicians. DERP. Have you ever read Alexander Hamilton Stephens "cornerstone" speech? No, of course not. Let me sketch it out for you - the "cornerstone" of the Confederacy is the idea that men are NOT created equal, and that the subjugation of blacks as slaves to whites was the natural and proper order of things.

If he hasn't it's his own damned fault; I quoted it for him in the post he was calling me a liar for.

 

[regent]

Things change, people change and some people change quicker than others. Slavery was an idea whose time to change had come, but some began to believe it before others. Evidence of change is all over these boards and even as we wait new changes are being formulated.
Think of the changes in our attitude towards the poor and disabled in just the last 100 years. When I was a kid blind men would stand on street corners tin cup in hand shaking their cups to attract attention for a penny or two. I've been to the dump a number of times and no longer do I see families going thru the garbage looking for edible scraps. No longer do we have Congressmen suggesting restaurants save their left-overs for the poor. No longer do....

 

[ShootSpeeders]

The Confederacy was a nation founded on white supremacy. The United States was founded in spite of white supremacy.

See the difference?

What a dumb thing to say. The US Constitution recognized slavery. Ever hear of the 3/5th clause??

 

[ShootSpeeders]

The Southern states explicitly stated it was about slavery in their secession declarations, as did prominent southern politicians. DERP. Have you ever read Alexander Hamilton Stephens "cornerstone" speech? No, of course not. Let me sketch it out for you - the "cornerstone" of the Confederacy is the idea that men are NOT created equal, and that the subjugation of blacks as slaves to whites was the natural and proper order of things.

You're changing the subject as usual. Everyone agrees the south believed in slavery But since 4 northern states also practiced slavery, then the north believed in it too. And the war could not have been about slavery. THINK

 

[ShootSpeeders]

Think of the changes in our attitude towards the poor and disabled in just the last 100 years. When I was a kid blind men would stand on street corners tin cup in hand shaking their cups to attract attention for a penny or two.....

Most of them could see fine. You are a fool.

 

[Syriusly]

The Southern states explicitly stated it was about slavery in their secession declarations, as did prominent southern politicians. DERP. Have you ever read Alexander Hamilton Stephens "cornerstone" speech? No, of course not. Let me sketch it out for you - the "cornerstone" of the Confederacy is the idea that men are NOT created equal, and that the subjugation of blacks as slaves to whites was the natural and proper order of things.

You're changing the subject as usual. Everyone agrees the south believed in slavery But since 4 northern states also practiced slavery, then the north believed in it too. And the war could not have been about slavery. THINK

Since when has Missouri ever been a "Northern State"- I mean other than in your teeny tiny little brain?

4 Southern States who had legal slavery stayed in the Union.

The Union did not go to war to free the slaves- but the Confederacy was formed to protected slavery.

 

[ogibillm]

The fact that 4 slave states did not secede because of slavery doesn't change the fact that 11 did.

But it proves that the civil war was NOT about slavery. THINK

no, it proves that not all slave states were traitors.

KY MD DE and MO all had legal widespread slavery during the 4 years of the Civil War.

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Those states were not Northern and someone from one of them at the time would have been insulted had you said so; they were loyal. There's a difference.

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OMG - what a brazen liar you are!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They most certainly were northern. Their govts chose to stay in the union and they fought for the north and they participated in the 1862 and 1864 northern elections. And yet they practiced slavery. That is proof positive that the CW was NOT about slavery.

The four border states could have gone to the south but chose not to. If they had, there would have been no war because the north wouldn't have had a chance.

missouri was split. we had a confederate government, with a governor and everything. missouri had confederate troops as well.

still, the legitimate government of missouri never seceded.

 

[guno]

Since 2009 the history of our nation and the traditions, values, and mores of us as a once-united people have suddenly become suspect as if we've been doing everything ass-backwards for the last 239 years.

What has changed?

Could it be the semi-Negro on the woodpile?

Nope. It's racist right wingers who just can't accept a black president, and the total loss of integrity by the GOP

We can accept a black president, why, we can even accept one that really IS black, not just a slim margine of black.
That black that will get the acceptance however will have to be one that is a non-socialist POS thats only intent is to destroy the United States. And I suspect that that American Black President that is supported by the right will not be married to a transvestite that thinks that its ok for the average person to live on less that 40k a year while he/she flies around the world on lavish taxpayer funded vacations.
But, you keep thinking what you want. If you and yours ever actually get the U.S to a place that you think is good, You are going to be in a very bad postion when you realize there is nobody left to pay for your lifestyle.

The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other peoples money

And the American people elected President Obama twice and rejected you slimy white rightwing christer trash 2 times

 

[JakeStarkey]

Will the stupid butts just shut up.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The Southern states explicitly stated it was about slavery in their secession declarations, as did prominent southern politicians. DERP. Have you ever read Alexander Hamilton Stephens "cornerstone" speech? No, of course not. Let me sketch it out for you - the "cornerstone" of the Confederacy is the idea that men are NOT created equal, and that the subjugation of blacks as slaves to whites was the natural and proper order of things.

You're changing the subject as usual. Everyone agrees the south believed in slavery But since 4 northern states also practiced slavery, then the north believed in it too. And the war could not have been about slavery. THINK

Non sequitur.

 

[BULLDOG]

Since 2009 the history of our nation and the traditions, values, and mores of us as a once-united people have suddenly become suspect as if we've been doing everything ass-backwards for the last 239 years.

What has changed?

Could it be the semi-Negro on the woodpile?

Nope. It's racist right wingers who just can't accept a black president, and the total loss of integrity by the GOP

We can accept a black president, why, we can even accept one that really IS black, not just a slim margine of black.
That black that will get the acceptance however will have to be one that is a non-socialist POS thats only intent is to destroy the United States. And I suspect that that American Black President that is supported by the right will not be married to a transvestite that thinks that its ok for the average person to live on less that 40k a year while he/she flies around the world on lavish taxpayer funded vacations.
But, you keep thinking what you want. If you and yours ever actually get the U.S to a place that you think is good, You are going to be in a very bad postion when you realize there is nobody left to pay for your lifestyle.

The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other peoples money

Without quoting bumper stickers, you couldn't communicate at all, could you?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Since 2009 the history of our nation and the traditions, values, and mores of us as a once-united people have suddenly become suspect as if we've been doing everything ass-backwards for the last 239 years.

What has changed?

Could it be the semi-Negro on the woodpile?

Nope. It's racist right wingers who just can't accept a black president, and the total loss of integrity by the GOP

We can accept a black president, why, we can even accept one that really IS black, not just a slim margine of black.
That black that will get the acceptance however will have to be one that is a non-socialist POS thats only intent is to destroy the United States. And I suspect that that American Black President that is supported by the right will not be married to a transvestite that thinks that its ok for the average person to live on less that 40k a year while he/she flies around the world on lavish taxpayer funded vacations.
But, you keep thinking what you want. If you and yours ever actually get the U.S to a place that you think is good, You are going to be in a very bad postion when you realize there is nobody left to pay for your lifestyle.

The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other peoples money

Without quoting bumper stickers, you couldn't communicate at all, could you?

 

[bodecea]

The fact that 4 slave states did not secede because of slavery doesn't change the fact that 11 did.

But it proves that the civil war was NOT about slavery. THINK

It was to the Confederacy...they said so in every article of Secession for each one of the traitor states. Think yourself.

 

[bodecea]

KY MD DE and MO all had legal widespread slavery during the 4 years of the Civil War.

.

Those states were not Northern and someone from one of them at the time would have been insulted had you said so; they were loyal. There's a difference.

.

OMG - what a brazen liar you are!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They most certainly were northern. Their govts chose to stay in the union and they fought for the north and they participated in the 1862 and 1864 northern elections. And yet they practiced slavery. That is proof positive that the CW was NOT about slavery.

The four border states could have gone to the south but chose not to. If they had, there would have been no war because the north wouldn't have had a chance.

They are south of the Mason-Dixon line. You just aren't very bright...must be a Southern education.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Shoots thinks the border states were northern states, though they think of themselves as southerners. He is not very bright.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

Since 2009 the history of our nation and the traditions, values, and mores of us as a once-united people have suddenly become suspect as if we've been doing everything ass-backwards for the last 239 years.

What has changed?

Could it be the semi-Negro on the woodpile?

Nope. It's racist right wingers who just can't accept a black president, and the total loss of integrity by the GOP

We can accept a black president, why, we can even accept one that really IS black, not just a slim margine of black.
That black that will get the acceptance however will have to be one that is a non-socialist POS thats only intent is to destroy the United States. And I suspect that that American Black President that is supported by the right will not be married to a transvestite that thinks that its ok for the average person to live on less that 40k a year while he/she flies around the world on lavish taxpayer funded vacations.
But, you keep thinking what you want. If you and yours ever actually get the U.S to a place that you think is good, You are going to be in a very bad postion when you realize there is nobody left to pay for your lifestyle.

The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other peoples money

And the American people elected President Obama twice and rejected you slimy white rightwing christer trash 2 times

get real, he was elected by double votes and the votes from his illegal pets, those filthy animals that sneak across our border.
why do you think the socialists want to give all those disease infested vermin amnesty ? for the votes that's why.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Maryland Patriot is a loony, obviously. However, both parties do want illegals: one, eventually, for votes, and the other for cheap labor.

 

[ShootSpeeders]

The fact that 4 slave states did not secede because of slavery doesn't change the fact that 11 did.

But it proves that the civil war was NOT about slavery. THINK

It was to the Confederacy...they said so in every article of Secession for each one of the traitor states. Think yourself.

But not the north. Lincoln didn't care about the slaves at all. He said that many times. His goal was to preserve the union. If the north had been fighting to free the slaves, they would have freed the slaves in the four northern states that had slavery. That should be obvious to everyone.