Compared to capitalism, what has socialism and communism ever produced or manufactured?

[Rustic]

Career politicians are the swamp, and the deep state is how they enrich the swap.... fact

You might want to look at Trump's Cabinet and Administration
CHRISTIE has called them a collection of "grifters and unindicted felons"...

The Swamp IS DJT

Oh and by the way...ignoring for the moment that pedophile protector that Trump has still not addressed sitting in his cabinet...I believe Zinke has just been indicted

Christie is a politically correct moron… Much like Bill Clinton he’s just a fence rider, he tells people what they want to hear.
While in office Trump has done none of these things you say, this was all before his presidency... That makes all the difference in the world. Why do you want to invade people’s personal lives? Finances or personal, firearm ownership is personal why the **** do you want to get involved in such personal things?

 

[Lesh]

Personal Finances should never be any of the governments business... They have no credibility on the issue.
* I’ve had friends that grew up on ranches and farms that were stacking bales and shoveling grain before they were teenagers there’s nothing wrong with that.
* 40 hour week? That’s for pussies
* Safety is a mindset not a rule
* I will never see any Social Security or Medicare/Cade... I’m a ecstatic about that, I don’t want that shit. I will gladly give up everything I’ve paid into that shit just to stop paying for it.

For millions of Americans the nanny state is of no use... fact

1, Working for your dad is one thing. Child labor is an entirely different thing

2. So you would do away with over time pay? Republicans really DO hate the working man

3. Safety? So what happens when your boss orders you to do something YOU know is unsafe...and you either do it or get fired. You get hurt and can't provide for your family and what does he do? He shrugs and hires an illegal immigrant to replace you

4.There may be some idiots who don't want Social Security or Medicare..but for the vast majority (tens of millions currently and HUNDREDS of millions over the years) it is the backbone of retirement and for a lot of people...all they have

So **** you

 

[danielpalos]

Most every advancement in technology, medicine, agriculture, transportation, communication, construction, energy and power, etc. this world has ever seen was conceived and developed by countries that practiced a capitalist ideology. Yet many Democrats are pushing socialism, the goal of which is communism as Lenin explained.

So what groundbreaking things have socialism/communism ever contributed to this world, aside from what they stole from capitalist countries?

What has Capitalism done without the Nurture of the Socialism of Government?

 

[Lesh]

Christie is a politically correct moron

Christie is no liberal. He's not even a never Trumper

 

[Rustic]

The richest corporation in the WORLD was demanding a 3 BILLION dollar tax break to move there despite the pressure they were going to put on the infra structure of NY

And they pay no taxes for federal or state..A waste of infrastructure just to get a business to operate. That is bullshit. I never have gotten a tax break after thirty five years of running a business, but then again I am not a greedy robber baron.

Government was established to serve you and your business. If a tax break yields more jobs, lower unemployment, more individual income, and goodwill to beget more businesses and jobs, that’s not being a greedy robber baron. Further, don’t think that a Government cannot be greedy. Heavy government politicos like Hillary Clinton actually use the word “take” when it comes to business.

If they did, yes, the left would endorse tax cuts for billionaires, but supply side economics don't work. "Trickle down" economics as instituted under Ronald Reagan, and which George H.W. Bush initially campaigned against as "voodoo economics" and then embraced as his VP, is a proven failure. Reagan's job growth wasn't the result of his tax cuts, it was the result of his military spending spree, all of which was on borrowed money.

There is absolutely no evidence that tax cuts create jobs, and much evidence that it actually costs jobs. Supply doesn't create jobs, supply and demand creates jobs. No tax cut has EVER paid for itself. Not once in the history of the nation. Reaganomics has stifled demand for 40 years by stifling the wages of the consumer classes.

What works is "Supply and Demand". Supply side tilts the economic table to the wealthy, and since Reagan's first round of tax cuts, wealth has trickled steadily but inexorably to the top, at the expense of the working poor and the middle class. Supply side economics is enriching the investor class at the expense of the middle class, which is shrinking. More people are now falling back into poverty that are rising to the ranks of the wealthy in the USA.

This impoverishing of the middle class is NOT happening in any other first world nation, because the rest of us have tax codes which favour working citizens and not corporations and the wealthy. The rest of the world is currently doing much better for its citizens than the USA is doing for theirs. Americans are fighting over building walls, when they should be building bridges, schools, and infrastructure. They're fighting expensive wars when they should be fighting opioid addiction, racial discrimination, and poverty.

A house divided against itself cannot stand. Trump is dividing Americans as never before, and Putin is gloating at his success.

Ok, when you overregulate businesses with mandates, tax them to where the are less competitive (“take their profits”), what happens to existing jobs? Are businesses then in a hiring mode?

Except that US Corporations were not being "taxed to where they are less competitive". Far from it. American corporations have been awash in cash for the past ten years. It wasn't competitiveness that caused American corporations to off-shore manufacturing, it was greed.

Walmart was the 2nd most profitable corporation in American when it was revealled that Walmart workers were receiving $9 billion in government wage subsidies like food stamps, MedicAid, and earned income credits. This is the same Walmart who has used government income supports to lower wages paid in the retail industry across the board, while using the power of their size to force small American retailers out of business, leaving Walmart the only store in town, and destroying the downtown tax bases of these towns.

This is unchecked corporate predation, funded by taxpayer dollars.

Lol

Stocking shelves and sweeping floors will never be considered a career, and they should never be considered careers those are beginner/starter jobs and should be treated and paid as such.

 

[Lesh]

Actually he’s only half black, get your facts straight.

The fact that you feel the need to parse that out...says all that needs to be said

 

[Lesh]

Stocking shelves and sweeping floors will never be considered a career, and they should never be considered careers those are beginner/starter jobs and should be treated and paid to such.

Unfortunately...in this "capitalist economy"...that's the only work that far too many ADULTS can get

 

[Rustic]

You didn't bother to read what you cited, the Wiki article confirms what I said - you Stalinists are identical to Nazis.

Let's looks at Nazis with you democrat Stalinists?

Violent hatred of non-party members?

Concentration Camps?

Violent suppression of opposition ideas?

Use of Brown Shirt type thugs?

Oppression of religion?

Totalitarian?

Violent oppression of free speech?

Newspeak is an utterly useless Bolshevik hate rag. I don't bother with them or ThinkProgress.

Wow, cool post.

180° out from reality, but cool post.

Really creep, exactly which of those do not go with both Stalinism and Nazis?

Be specific.

Oh, you're just lying - MARXIST!

You are as SPECIFICALLY out of your mid as the Coast Guard terrorist.

Friend of yours?

Lol
No doubt the guy is lunatic, But the mainstream media said the guy had a huge arsenal… That is not a huge arsenal.

The Coast Guard MAGA terrorist had bullet proof vests, more than 20 guns including several assault weapons, thousands of rounds of ammunition and he had detailed plans of who and how he wanted to KILL people

Don't even TRY to diminish the lethality of this white nationalist MAGA killer

Lol
Only a fool would call that an arsenal.
That ammo would would not even last a weekend shooting prairie dogs...
Also they called sporting rifles… Nothing more nothing less.

And yes he was a lunatic. but guilt by association? Really? What about all of Obama’s buddies? Do you really want to go there? So shut the **** up

 

[deanrd]

Putin is a communist KGB. And Republicans think Putin would be a great leader. That makes Republicans communist.

 

[Rustic]

Actually he’s only half black, get your facts straight.

The fact that you feel the need to parse that out...says all that needs to be said

Lol
If he was a conservative that’s exactly what you would do...
Progressives can’t stand anyone that disagrees with them… You just proved it

 

[Rustic]

Stocking shelves and sweeping floors will never be considered a career, and they should never be considered careers those are beginner/starter jobs and should be treated and paid to such.

Unfortunately...in this "capitalist economy"...that's the only work that far too many ADULTS can get

Lol
You don’t like your station in life... leave your pity party.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Stalinists? Nazis?

You're talking about DICTATORS

We can all agree that distators suck. Odd that you support Trump. He LOVES dictators and attacks leaders of Democratic governments

As far as Socialism

Socialism is the government ownership of the means of production.

Clearly that is not our system

Oh...some say that socialism is the ownership "or regulation" of the means of production.

Well we all agree that regulation is required. Doctors being licensed for instance is regulation. That makes it socialism. Food being manufactured in a safe manner is regulation. Clearly necessary and according to that definition...that is socialism

So what we're really saying is NOT that "SOCIALISM" is inherently bad but rather...how much socialism is required to mitigate the excesses of capitalism.

Doesn't sound nearly as scary in that more accurate context...does it.

Communism and socialism is dictatorship by definition

Marx designed it that way.

Capitalism has no such excesses to regulate.

You couldn't be more wrong. Capitalism is regulated or there would be monopolies, no competition and cartels like OPEC would abound.

Insider trading is a felony, and yet it abounds.

Socialism is an economic system, communism has never existed in the sense that the proletariat benefited; in fact Social Darwinism existed in both Capitalism and Communism unfettered, and has only been beaten back by activists, community organizers and the liberal movement first in the Republican Party, and since Truman, in the Democratic Party..

No retard. I know you are good at busting heads and taking people's property, but you know not one ******* thing about economics. Monopolies (with the exception of natural monopoly) cannot exist without government support for them.

"No retard"?

I've never busted a head or stolen anyone's property. So you lie when you make such a claim, and have no evidence to do so. Once again, take The DICK Cheney's advice.

Stalinists? Nazis?

You're talking about DICTATORS

We can all agree that distators suck. Odd that you support Trump. He LOVES dictators and attacks leaders of Democratic governments

As far as Socialism

Socialism is the government ownership of the means of production.

Clearly that is not our system

Oh...some say that socialism is the ownership "or regulation" of the means of production.

Well we all agree that regulation is required. Doctors being licensed for instance is regulation. That makes it socialism. Food being manufactured in a safe manner is regulation. Clearly necessary and according to that definition...that is socialism

So what we're really saying is NOT that "SOCIALISM" is inherently bad but rather...how much socialism is required to mitigate the excesses of capitalism.

Doesn't sound nearly as scary in that more accurate context...does it.

Communism and socialism is dictatorship by definition

Marx designed it that way.

Capitalism has no such excesses to regulate.

You couldn't be more wrong. Capitalism is regulated or there would be monopolies, no competition and cartels like OPEC would abound.

Insider trading is a felony, and yet it abounds.

Socialism is an economic system, communism has never existed in the sense that the proletariat benefited; in fact Social Darwinism existed in both Capitalism and Communism unfettered, and has only been beaten back by activists, community organizers and the liberal movement first in the Republican Party, and since Truman, in the Democratic Party..

OPEC is an organization of governments not private companies.

Monopolies do not exist without government interference and protection

Socialism is not an economic system you ******* fool it is government force.

OPEC IS A CARTEL. Read what I wrote, not what you wanted other readers to believe.

Monopolies do not exist as stated, because of regulators. However in the real world, when was the last gas war in America? (by gas war I mean price wars)

Define Socialism vis a vis socialism. You argue the former, I use it as the latter.

 

[Rustic]

Putin is a communist KGB. And Republicans think Putin would be a great leader. That makes Republicans communist.

Lol
What do you think Castro was? That just the result of socialism...

 

[rightwinger]

These deals always workout bad for the taxpayer.
As Amazon builds up its distribution network, it’s hit on a trick long practiced by the likes of Walmart: using the federal government to help pay its workers. A new study by Policy Matters Ohio found that more than 700 Amazon employees receive food stamps, or more than 10 percent of the tech giant’s 6,000-strong workforce in the state. Some of those recipients may be part-time help, but the fact that they need federal aid to survive suggests that they would be happy to work more. “Why is this giant, successful company offering such limited pay and hours of work that many of its workers need help buying food?” asked Zach Schiller, research director at Policy Matters.

Amazon Is Thriving Thanks to Taxpayer Dollars

This stupid shit again?

If you don't like welfare, take action. Any "foodstamps" (you can tell the demagogues when they use terms 30 years out of date) workers get is due to federal and state programs.

Or are you one of those "free market" types who seeks a $15 an hour minimum wage?

Anything less than a living wage is a government subsidy for the business.

You have been proven wrong and ignorant on this in the past.

Any wage is a living wage.

Any wage is a living wage?

How about $1/hr. That's "any wage". How ya gonna do on $40 bucks a week moron...

By Living within your means you uneducated dumbass

Hard to do when you are paid a wage you can’t live on, get sick or injured or the jobs in your community have dried up

 

[Rustic]

Personal Finances should never be any of the governments business... They have no credibility on the issue.
* I’ve had friends that grew up on ranches and farms that were stacking bales and shoveling grain before they were teenagers there’s nothing wrong with that.
* 40 hour week? That’s for pussies
* Safety is a mindset not a rule
* I will never see any Social Security or Medicare/Cade... I’m a ecstatic about that, I don’t want that shit. I will gladly give up everything I’ve paid into that shit just to stop paying for it.

For millions of Americans the nanny state is of no use... fact

1, Working for your dad is one thing. Child labor is an entirely different thing

2. So you would do away with over time pay? Republicans really DO hate the working man

3. Safety? So what happens when your boss orders you to do something YOU know is unsafe...and you either do it or get fired. You get hurt and can't provide for your family and what does he do? He shrugs and hires an illegal immigrant to replace you

4.There may be some idiots who don't want Social Security or Medicare..but for the vast majority (tens of millions currently and HUNDREDS of millions over the years) it is the backbone of retirement and for a lot of people...all they have

So **** you

If you had any understanding of ranching/farm life, A lot of the time as a young kid you would start out working for your neighbors stacking bales shoveling grain and the like. Doing that for your own family... that’s just called chores.

Never said anything about not paying overtime, but a 40 hour work week is for pussies.

Safety should be called common sense, politically correct people let it get in the way of progress.

Like I said it should be voluntary, Social Security should not be forced on anybody. Like I said I’d gladly give up everything I paid in up to this point just to get out of paying for in the future. Because I will not benefit from it whatsoever.

So **** you… LOL

 

[Lesh]

Stocking shelves and sweeping floors will never be considered a career, and they should never be considered careers those are beginner/starter jobs and should be treated and paid to such.

Unfortunately...in this "capitalist economy"...that's the only work that far too many ADULTS can get

Lol
You don’t like your station in life... leave your pity party.

I guess you hadda say "something" huh?

 

[Rustic]

Christie is a politically correct moron

Christie is no liberal. He's not even a never Trumper

Lol
Christie is a politically correct moron, you know a career politician

 

[Rustic]

This stupid shit again?

If you don't like welfare, take action. Any "foodstamps" (you can tell the demagogues when they use terms 30 years out of date) workers get is due to federal and state programs.

Or are you one of those "free market" types who seeks a $15 an hour minimum wage?

Anything less than a living wage is a government subsidy for the business.

You have been proven wrong and ignorant on this in the past.

Any wage is a living wage.

Any wage is a living wage?

How about $1/hr. That's "any wage". How ya gonna do on $40 bucks a week moron...

By Living within your means you uneducated dumbass

Hard to do when you are paid a wage you can’t live on, get sick or injured or the jobs in your community have dried up

Lol
It’s called personal responsibility, to get out of that situation.

 

[Lesh]

If you had any understanding of ranching/farm life, A lot of the time as a young kid you would start out working for your neighbors stacking bales shoveling grain and the like. Doing that for your own family... that’s just called chores.

Never said anything about not paying overtime, but a 40 hour work week is for pussies.

Safety should be called common sense, politically correct people lead to get in the way of progress.

Like I said it should be voluntary, Social Security should not be forced on anybody. Like I said I’d gladly give up everything I paid in up to this point just to get out of paying for in the future. Because I will not benefit from it whatsoever.

So **** you… LOL

We don't all live on a ranch moron. And working for dad is nothing like sending your kid out to work for some asshole in a sweatshop

The40 hour work week IS about over time, stupid.I've worked plenty of 60,80, 90 hour weeks...and gotten PAID for that well because of the 40 hour work week (and unions)

Social Security ONLY works by being a payroll deduction. Take that out and you **** the program...which IS the goal of Republicans and has been for 100 years.

I won't even ask why you "won't get anything out because I know it will be stupid. If you paid payroll taxes you GET social security

 

[Lesh]

Christie is a politically correct moron

Christie is no liberal. He's not even a never Trumper

Lol
Christie is a politically correct moron, you know a career politician

There's NOTHING "politically correct" about Christie.

He was MY Governor for far too long andI know more about him than I care to