Zone1 Communism and Religion

[BreezeWood]

what about the priesthood - throughout the centuries and the christian congregations that have harbored their illicit behavior ....

Along with preachers and rabbis. Grow up.

not disputing that the church hierarchies of all three middleastern religions - aren't you by chance a bible worshiping christian yourself ...

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Communists, or Bolsheviks, were militant atheists because they believed religion was a tool used by the elite to control the population and that it threatened their power.

Which was correct. Not saying it's justification for everything they thought or did. But they got that last part right.

So did our founding fathers.

 

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Which was correct. Not saying it's justification for everything they thought or did. But they got that last part right.

So did our founding fathers.

That you equate the founding fathers to militant atheists is very telling.

 

[Picaro]

That you equate the founding fathers to militant atheists is very telling.

It's the usual absurd fiction they like to peddle. They find two or three and then try to claim those were the only Founders or something never mind none were atheists and only a couple were deists out of many.

We got the establishment clause from a founding platform of an evangelical sect, the Baptist, and because there were many denominations who didn't want some other denomination being the national sect, like Anglicism was in Great Britain or Lutheranism in Denmark or Catholicism was in many countries. The individual states could have them, though, and a few did until well into the 19th century. The clause restricted the Feds form interfering in religion, not the other way around.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

That you equate the founding fathers to militant atheists is very telling.

That you don't understand the word "equate" is not very telling at all. I have noticed your frequent errors in basic logic, and I have to believe this error arises from the same ignorance.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

It's the usual absurd fiction they like to peddle.

Haha, and this makes you even dumber.

He made the dumb error.

Then you lapped it up.

 

[BreezeWood]

It's the usual absurd fiction they like to peddle. They find two or three and then try to claim those were the only Founders or something never mind none were atheists and only a couple were deists out of many.

your problem is who actually wrote the text for the u s constitution that made it the foremost secular gov't on planet earth. void entirely of any religious trappings anywhere found throughout the document -

regardless the pseudo founding father diatribes and madeup religious intents portrayed by desert dwellers all being contrary to recorded history.

 

[Picaro]

your problem is who actually wrote the text for the u s constitution that made it the foremost secular gov't on planet earth. void entirely of any religious trappings anywhere found throughout the document -

regardless the pseudo founding father diatribes and madeup religious intents portrayed by desert dwellers all being contrary to recorded history.

Your problem is you know you're full of shit but you can't help yourself, like most deviants. It was 'written' down by a secretary, over seen by a much older and experienced man. It is in there because no one sect was dominant and the Constitution would never be ratified without restricting the Federal govt. from interfering with the states' own choices, which in several cases were established sects, complete with taxing powers.

 

[Picaro]

Haha, and this makes you even dumber.

He made the dumb error.

Then you lapped it up.

Another liar heard from.

 

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That you don't understand the word "equate" is not very telling at all. I have noticed your frequent errors in basic logic, and I have to believe this error arises from the same ignorance.

In the sense that you believe the founding fathers were trying to subordinate religion in America. Yes. You equate the founders to militant atheists. Which in reality couldn't be farther from the truth.

 

[BreezeWood]

- without restricting the Federal govt. from interfering with the states' own choices ...

though not true the civil war amendments put that to rest ...

 

[Ringo]

The State is their god....Can't serve two masters, and all that.

July 7, 1941 U.S. Ambassador to the USSR Joseph Davis on Nazism and Communism:

“My friend Lindbergh surprised me greatly by stating that he prefers Nazism to Communism. It is a desperate thing to make such a choice, but the difference between the two is too great. Both Germany and Russia are totalitarian states. Both are realistic. Both employ strict and ruthless methods. There is, however, one essential difference, which can be shown as follows. If Marx, Lenin or Stalin were believing Christians, and if one were to try to place the communist experiment carried out in Russia within the framework of the tenets of the Catholic or Protestant Church, the result would be heralded as the greatest achievement of Christianity in all of human history in its pursuit of humanity and the realization of Christian precepts in the life of society.

The fact is that the Christian religion can be reconciled with Communist principles without doing great violence to its economic and political aims, the chief of which is the “brotherhood of all men.” Performing a similar test with regard to Nazism, we find that it is impossible to combine the two ideologies. The principle of Christian ideology cannot be superimposed on the Nazi philosophy without destroying the political basis of the state. The Nazi philosophy creates a state that is actually based on the negation of the altruistic principles of Christianity. To the Nazis, love, charity, justice and Christian values are merely manifestations of weakness and decadence if they conflict with the needs of the state.

That is the difference - the communist Soviet state can operate with Christianity as the basis for the ultimate goal of universal brotherhood of men. The Communists allow the state to die out as man improves, whereas the Nazi ideal is just the opposite - the state above all else.”

 

[surada]

Don't let us keep you away from your favorite Hamas videos, especially the latest ones where you get to cheer the hostage rapes and murders you sick scum love.

What a stupid accusation. Typical Trump follower

 

[Oddball]

July 7, 1941 U.S. Ambassador to the USSR Joseph Davis on Nazism and Communism:

“My friend Lindbergh surprised me greatly by stating that he prefers Nazism to Communism. It is a desperate thing to make such a choice, but the difference between the two is too great. Both Germany and Russia are totalitarian states. Both are realistic. Both employ strict and ruthless methods. There is, however, one essential difference, which can be shown as follows. If Marx, Lenin or Stalin were believing Christians, and if one were to try to place the communist experiment carried out in Russia within the framework of the tenets of the Catholic or Protestant Church, the result would be heralded as the greatest achievement of Christianity in all of human history in its pursuit of humanity and the realization of Christian precepts in the life of society.

The fact is that the Christian religion can be reconciled with Communist principles without doing great violence to its economic and political aims, the chief of which is the “brotherhood of all men.” Performing a similar test with regard to Nazism, we find that it is impossible to combine the two ideologies. The principle of Christian ideology cannot be superimposed on the Nazi philosophy without destroying the political basis of the state. The Nazi philosophy creates a state that is actually based on the negation of the altruistic principles of Christianity. To the Nazis, love, charity, justice and Christian values are merely manifestations of weakness and decadence if they conflict with the needs of the state.

That is the difference - the communist Soviet state can operate with Christianity as the basis for the ultimate goal of universal brotherhood of men. The Communists allow the state to die out as man improves, whereas the Nazi ideal is just the opposite - the state above all else.”

I'm having trouble laying my hand on the chapter and verse, where Jesus said to have the Romans enforce his law on all who choose not to accept and believe in it.

 

[Ringo]

I'm having trouble laying my hand on the chapter and verse, where Jesus said to have the Romans enforce his law on all who choose not to accept and believe in it.

I'm no theological expert, but I think somewhere in the Bible... or Blessed Augustine talks about obeying earthly authorities.

 

[Oddball]

I'm no theological expert, but I think somewhere in the Bible... or Blessed Augustine talks about obeying earthly authorities.

I'll score that "I can't find anything".