Columbus. Good or bad?

[Hector12]

With modern technology, easily.

I would have also had the advantage of modern knowledge

Modern technology and modern knowledge were developed by whites, not Negroes, and not American Indians.

 

[Zebra]

Christopher Columbus was awful (but this other guy was not) - The Oatmeal

Happy Bartolomé Day.

theoatmeal.com

a real eye opener!

 

[Zebra]

read about the fate of the Taino Indios

 

[Zebra]

Columbus was neither good or bad but a product of the period of time that he lived in.
He was an intrepid explorer and adventurer who basically discovered the New World.
To blame him for the future problems his discovery ushered in is ridiculous.
Columbus was an agent of the inevitable.
If he hadn't discovered the New World then somebody else would have.
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please read what he did to the Taino people.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

He was still a murderer and enslaveer.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Because Amerigo was the first explorer to realize this was a different continent.
Columbus thought this was Asia.

Columbus only thought that at first

By the time he made his later voyuages he knew better

 

[Soupnazi630]

The Europeans made similar laws about breeding with Native Americans. Didn't stop white folks from raping them, though.

The colonization of the New World was a humanitarian disaster. But it didn't happen to white people, so that made it okay in your eyes.

The colonization was a good thing which elevated humanity

 

[hjmick]

I just have read this .... I hope others read it too.

Columbus was worse than I had known.

Sometimes a comic strip can inform...

And The Oatmeal has some good ones.

 

[Rocko]

In a vacuum good

 

[Sunni Man]

please read what he did to the Taino people.

Again, Columbus wasn't a saint.
He was just a product of his time.

 

[ShahdagMountains]

a real eye opener!

I’ve been to his house.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Not a reason, just an excuse, Sunni Man

 

[Sunni Man]

Not a reason, just an excuse, Sunni Man

I wasn't trying to make an excuse for Columbus's behavior. Which was perfectly normal in his time.
But people today like to pass judgement on social norms during centuries long ago.
We find ancient Roman and Greek civilization basically barbaric.
Even many of the ways people behaved during Biblical times is incomprehensible to modern people. Such as administering capitol punishment by stoning to death.
I'm positive people several hundred years from now.
Will look at us as being ruthless savages killing each other by the hundreds of millions in global wars

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Yes, Sunni Man, we have to be careful about the error of "presentism" putting todays values on history's story and people.

But it can be said honestly that Hitler was an awful person.

And so was Columbus by his peers. One priest wrote a terrible article about him to the Pope and Queen Isabel.

 

[Zebra]

Yes, Sunni Man, we have to be careful about the error of "presentism" putting todays values on history's story and people.

But it can be said honestly that Hitler was an awful person.

And so was Columbus by his peers. One priest wrote a terrible article about him to the Pope and Queen Isabel.

that is true

he was terrible even for the standard of his own time

 

[Zebra]

have read how he treated the Tainos?

 

[mikegriffith1]

The leftist revisionist attacks on Columbus are shameful, not to mention misleading (and sometimes outright fictional). I recommend four books to get the full story on Columbus:

Columbus and the Quest for Jerusalem: How Religion Drove the Voyages that Led to America, by Carol Delaney, a cultural anthropologist at Stanford University.

Admiral of the Ocean Sea: A Life of Christopher Columbus, by Samuel Eliot Morison, one of the all-time great maritime historians.

Christopher Columbus: A Man Among the Gentiles, by Clark B. Hinckley, a lifelong historian of Columbus.

Christopher Columbus The Hero: Defending Columbus From Modern Day Revisionism, by Rafael Ortiz, author of several other books on Columbus.

 

[Zebra]

Columbus started a real genocide

 

[JoeB131]

The leftist revisionist attacks on Columbus are shameful, not to mention misleading (and sometimes outright fictional). I recommend four books to get the full story on Columbus:

Columbus and the Quest for Jerusalem: How Religion Drove the Voyages that Led to America, by Carol Delaney, a cultural anthropologist at Stanford University.

Admiral of the Ocean Sea: A Life of Christopher Columbus, by Samuel Eliot Morison, one of the all-time great maritime historians.

Christopher Columbus: A Man Among the Gentiles, by Clark B. Hinckley, a lifelong historian of Columbus.

Christopher Columbus The Hero: Defending Columbus From Modern Day Revisionism, by Rafael Ortiz, author of several other books on Columbus.

Mormon Mike, the only revisionism is actually pointing out what the shitball did.

He did genocide the Taino people

Taíno genocide - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

He engaged in Sex Slavery.

Columbus and Sex Trafficking

This is an adapted excerpt from Christine Stark’s “Strategies to Restore Justice for Sex Trafficked Native Women.” (photo by Sarah Whiting)In 1492 Columbus sailed the ocean blue” is the beginning of a poem children have been taught for generations about the Spanish explorer’s landing i

www.womenspress.com

As an academic researcher and an organizer around my Native ancestry, I have researched the business ventures that Columbus led. His first order of business was to send four sailing ships back to Europe, loaded to capacity with 550 Natives that were auctioned off in Mediterranean markets.

The result: a centuries-long process of attempted genocide and colonization of Indigenous people, including the enslavement of 2.5 to 5 million Indigenous people, death of Indigenous people from disease and murder, dismemberment, rape, land theft, destruction of animals and natural resources, starvation, removal, concentration camps, and forced religious conversion. In combination with coerced, unfair, and unfulfilled treaties, the pre-contact Indigenous population who resided in the land that is now the U.S. was ultimately reduced by 90 percent.

Less known is that Columbus and his men raped, abducted, traded, and sold for sex Indigenous women and girls. According to Columbus’s notes, men “seized about five women each as their concubines, while others marauded across the island in search of villages with gold.”

Columbus wrote about the Taino, the first Indigenous people he encountered. “A hundred castellanoes [Spanish coin] are as easily obtained for a woman as for a farm … there are plenty of dealers who go about looking for girls. Those from nine to ten [years old] are now in demand.”

His abuses were so bad he was sent back to Spain in chains.

How much of a shithead do you have to be to have the people who thought the Spanish Inquisition was a good idea to say, "Whoa, man! That's a bit harsh!"

 

[Zebra]

Mormon Mike, the only revisionism is actually pointing out what the shitball did.

He did genocide the Taino people

Taíno genocide - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

He engaged in Sex Slavery.

Columbus and Sex Trafficking

This is an adapted excerpt from Christine Stark’s “Strategies to Restore Justice for Sex Trafficked Native Women.” (photo by Sarah Whiting)In 1492 Columbus sailed the ocean blue” is the beginning of a poem children have been taught for generations about the Spanish explorer’s landing i

www.womenspress.com

As an academic researcher and an organizer around my Native ancestry, I have researched the business ventures that Columbus led. His first order of business was to send four sailing ships back to Europe, loaded to capacity with 550 Natives that were auctioned off in Mediterranean markets.

The result: a centuries-long process of attempted genocide and colonization of Indigenous people, including the enslavement of 2.5 to 5 million Indigenous people, death of Indigenous people from disease and murder, dismemberment, rape, land theft, destruction of animals and natural resources, starvation, removal, concentration camps, and forced religious conversion. In combination with coerced, unfair, and unfulfilled treaties, the pre-contact Indigenous population who resided in the land that is now the U.S. was ultimately reduced by 90 percent.

Less known is that Columbus and his men raped, abducted, traded, and sold for sex Indigenous women and girls. According to Columbus’s notes, men “seized about five women each as their concubines, while others marauded across the island in search of villages with gold.”

Columbus wrote about the Taino, the first Indigenous people he encountered. “A hundred castellanoes [Spanish coin] are as easily obtained for a woman as for a farm … there are plenty of dealers who go about looking for girls. Those from nine to ten [years old] are now in demand.”

His abuses were so bad he was sent back to Spain in chains.

How much of a shithead do you have to be to have the people who thought the Spanish Inquisition was a good idea to say, "Whoa, man! That's a bit harsh!"

well said!