Colorado...has everything gun grabbers want...and still has mass shootings...

[2aguy]

over 320 million guns in private hands......only 8,124 gun murders in2014...

13 million people legally carry guns for self defense....


Normal gun culture is not the problem...the real problem.....boys raised without fathers......who then turn to violent crime and then they commit murder because they did not develop empathy for others......

 

[JimH52]

Yep...they passed gun control laws and they still have mass shootings....

--expanded background checks.....

--magazine limits( a new study shows magazine limits don't save lives in mass shootings)...

Colorado: Expanded Background Checks, 'High Cap' Mag Ban, High Profile Shootings - Breitbart

These shootings came roughly two and a half years after Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper (D) signed multiple gun controls into law in reaction to the July 2012 Aurora theater attack and the December 2012 attack on Sandy Hook Elementary. Among the laws signed were expanded–or universal–background checks, a ban on “high capacity” ammunition magazines, and new rules on how long a gun can be out of the owner’s possession before another background check is required for him or her to get it back.

The expanded background checks in Colorado are the exact same checks that are being pushed at the national level. Likewise, the “high capacity” magazine ban is similar to “high capacity” magazine bans being pushed at the national level and in certain states and municipalities around the country.

Actually CO has more mass shootings than any state I can think of. I wonder why?

Cause they got lots o mountains with crazy old white people watching FOX news 24/7. Yup, gotta figure out how to vet us crazy old white guys better.

 

[Pogo]

Has it yet sunk in to the crevices of your cranium that (a) anybody who wants to can simply drive across the state line, regardless what that state's laws are, and (b) maybe the laws are irrelevant, and rather it's the culture of violence and death that we foster all around us? Not to mention the masculinity issue?

Has it sunk into the crevices of your limited cranial capacity that anyone who wants can probably purchase a any type of firearm they want off the black market which goes across national boundaries or if they have a good machine shop they can produce any type of firearm they want

No shit Sherlock. I've been saying that since I got to this site.

Do you assholes ever actually read the posts you click "reply" on or what?

and it's a human condition/culture that has been around since man first picked up a thighbone to hunt for food?

Gun-fetish culture isn't. That's something we pretty much OWN.

Nope.....only the criminal culture has that problem. Normal gun owners are fine and use guns responsibly....a lot of democrats though....they fit your description...just look at how all the anit gunners here immediately talk about sex when they start talking guns...they have the problem and they need help.

Horse. *******. SHIT-MARU.

Any number of (i.e. most) movies........... any evening of (i.e. most) television............. the comic books you seem to live in............. any number of (i.e. most) video games............ children's toys (those for boys)....... even the everyday language idioms we use: we "shoot for" or "target" something we have "in the crosshairs" and "stick to our guns", maybe even bring in the "big guns" - especially that one, she's a "pistol". If our plan "misfires" we have to "bite the bullet"; if it doesn't we may hit the "bull's eye" and "shoot down" our opposition....

THAT is what I mean by culture. Not some subclass you separate out and pretend they're all by themselves -- the ENTIRE culture drummed into everybody from birth. It's our values, which celebrate and glorify shooting, destroying and killing. We are obsessed with firearms, we always have been, and that chicken's coming home to roost.

​

THAT is what "culture" means. Got nothing to do with "criminals" -- that is but one subset of the overall culture, and they're as much a victim of this sick obsession as the rest of us are.

Most gun murder in the United States is committed by career criminals......mass shootings by white kids is tiny.....and those would be the obvious people influenced by your claims........the criminal class....they are the most influenced by bad culture but only because they have been created by generations of teen mothers raising children....

Normal gun culture is the majority culture with guns.......deviant gun culture is exactly that...deviant, a minority....

over 320 million guns in private hands and only 8,124 gun murders....mostly committed by career criminals with backgrounds of single parent homes...and no real father figures...

And once AGAIN you completely fail to address the point at all.

Are you just illiterate from living in comic books?

 

[westwall]

Yep...they passed gun control laws and they still have mass shootings....

--expanded background checks.....

--magazine limits( a new study shows magazine limits don't save lives in mass shootings)...

Colorado: Expanded Background Checks, 'High Cap' Mag Ban, High Profile Shootings - Breitbart

These shootings came roughly two and a half years after Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper (D) signed multiple gun controls into law in reaction to the July 2012 Aurora theater attack and the December 2012 attack on Sandy Hook Elementary. Among the laws signed were expanded–or universal–background checks, a ban on “high capacity” ammunition magazines, and new rules on how long a gun can be out of the owner’s possession before another background check is required for him or her to get it back.

The expanded background checks in Colorado are the exact same checks that are being pushed at the national level. Likewise, the “high capacity” magazine ban is similar to “high capacity” magazine bans being pushed at the national level and in certain states and municipalities around the country.

Actually CO has more mass shootings than any state I can think of. I wonder why?

Cause they got lots o mountains with crazy old white people watching FOX news 24/7. Yup, gotta figure out how to vet us crazy old white guys better.

Then why is it always progressive assholes who are killing everybody?

 

[westwall]

Has it sunk into the crevices of your limited cranial capacity that anyone who wants can probably purchase a any type of firearm they want off the black market which goes across national boundaries or if they have a good machine shop they can produce any type of firearm they want

No shit Sherlock. I've been saying that since I got to this site.

Do you assholes ever actually read the posts you click "reply" on or what?

and it's a human condition/culture that has been around since man first picked up a thighbone to hunt for food?

Gun-fetish culture isn't. That's something we pretty much OWN.

Nope.....only the criminal culture has that problem. Normal gun owners are fine and use guns responsibly....a lot of democrats though....they fit your description...just look at how all the anit gunners here immediately talk about sex when they start talking guns...they have the problem and they need help.

Horse. *******. SHIT-MARU.

Any number of (i.e. most) movies........... any evening of (i.e. most) television............. the comic books you seem to live in............. any number of (i.e. most) video games............ children's toys (those for boys)....... even the everyday language idioms we use: we "shoot for" or "target" something we have "in the crosshairs" and "stick to our guns", maybe even bring in the "big guns" - especially that one, she's a "pistol". If our plan "misfires" we have to "bite the bullet"; if it doesn't we may hit the "bull's eye" and "shoot down" our opposition....

THAT is what I mean by culture. Not some subclass you separate out and pretend they're all by themselves -- the ENTIRE culture drummed into everybody from birth. It's our values, which celebrate and glorify shooting, destroying and killing. We are obsessed with firearms, we always have been, and that chicken's coming home to roost.

​

THAT is what "culture" means. Got nothing to do with "criminals" -- that is but one subset of the overall culture, and they're as much a victim of this sick obsession as the rest of us are.

Most gun murder in the United States is committed by career criminals......mass shootings by white kids is tiny.....and those would be the obvious people influenced by your claims........the criminal class....they are the most influenced by bad culture but only because they have been created by generations of teen mothers raising children....

Normal gun culture is the majority culture with guns.......deviant gun culture is exactly that...deviant, a minority....

over 320 million guns in private hands and only 8,124 gun murders....mostly committed by career criminals with backgrounds of single parent homes...and no real father figures...

And once AGAIN you completely fail to address the point at all.

Are you just illiterate from living in comic books?

Actually, he addressed it quite well. Why are you incapable of understanding simple English. What are you a foreigner?

 

[2aguy]

Has it sunk into the crevices of your limited cranial capacity that anyone who wants can probably purchase a any type of firearm they want off the black market which goes across national boundaries or if they have a good machine shop they can produce any type of firearm they want

No shit Sherlock. I've been saying that since I got to this site.

Do you assholes ever actually read the posts you click "reply" on or what?

and it's a human condition/culture that has been around since man first picked up a thighbone to hunt for food?

Gun-fetish culture isn't. That's something we pretty much OWN.

Nope.....only the criminal culture has that problem. Normal gun owners are fine and use guns responsibly....a lot of democrats though....they fit your description...just look at how all the anit gunners here immediately talk about sex when they start talking guns...they have the problem and they need help.

Horse. *******. SHIT-MARU.

Any number of (i.e. most) movies........... any evening of (i.e. most) television............. the comic books you seem to live in............. any number of (i.e. most) video games............ children's toys (those for boys)....... even the everyday language idioms we use: we "shoot for" or "target" something we have "in the crosshairs" and "stick to our guns", maybe even bring in the "big guns" - especially that one, she's a "pistol". If our plan "misfires" we have to "bite the bullet"; if it doesn't we may hit the "bull's eye" and "shoot down" our opposition....

THAT is what I mean by culture. Not some subclass you separate out and pretend they're all by themselves -- the ENTIRE culture drummed into everybody from birth. It's our values, which celebrate and glorify shooting, destroying and killing. We are obsessed with firearms, we always have been, and that chicken's coming home to roost.

​

THAT is what "culture" means. Got nothing to do with "criminals" -- that is but one subset of the overall culture, and they're as much a victim of this sick obsession as the rest of us are.

Most gun murder in the United States is committed by career criminals......mass shootings by white kids is tiny.....and those would be the obvious people influenced by your claims........the criminal class....they are the most influenced by bad culture but only because they have been created by generations of teen mothers raising children....

Normal gun culture is the majority culture with guns.......deviant gun culture is exactly that...deviant, a minority....

over 320 million guns in private hands and only 8,124 gun murders....mostly committed by career criminals with backgrounds of single parent homes...and no real father figures...

And once AGAIN you completely fail to address the point at all.

Are you just illiterate from living in comic books?

I live in reality....you left wing gun grabbers live in the fantasy world....

 

[Unkotare]

....
....... even the everyday language idioms [sic] we use: we "shoot for" or "target" something we have "in the crosshairs" and "stick to our guns", maybe even bring in the "big guns" - especially that one, she's a "pistol". If our plan "misfires" we have to "bite the bullet"; if it doesn't we may hit the "bull's eye" and "shoot down" our opposition....

THAT is what I mean by culture. Not some subclass you separate out and pretend they're all by themselves -- the ENTIRE culture drummed into everybody from birth. It's our values, which celebrate and glorify shooting, destroying and killing. We are obsessed with firearms, we always have been, and that chicken's coming home to roost.

THAT is what "culture" means. Got nothing to do with "criminals" -- that is but one subset of the overall culture, and they're as much a victim [sic] of this sick obsession as the rest of us are.​

​

Holy crap, talk about trying too hard. Those poor violent criminals are just victims forced to commit crime by the English language and your asinine generalizations about American culture. What a joke.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

"Colorado...has everything gun grabbers want...and still has mass shootings..."

The fails as a post hoc fallacy:

“A gun crime was committed in Colorado, therefore Colorado gun laws 'don't work.'"

As already correctly noted: a criminal can bring a gun into a given state from another jurisdiction, in no way undermining the efficacy of that state's gun laws.

The thread premise also fails as a lie: that a particular firearm regulatory policy – or firearm regulatory measures collectively – are designed to 'stop all gun crimes,' when in fact nothing could be further from the truth.

No one has maintained that firearm regulatory measures are a 'panacea' for gun violence.

Last, there is no such thing as a 'gun grabber,' this is just another ridiculous lie contrived by the right; no one seeks to 'grab guns,' no one advocates all firearms be 'banned,' and no one advocates that guns be 'confiscated.'

 

[2aguy]

"Colorado...has everything gun grabbers want...and still has mass shootings..."

The fails as a post hoc fallacy:

“A gun crime was committed in Colorado, therefore Colorado gun laws 'don't work.'"

As already correctly noted: a criminal can bring a gun into a given state from another jurisdiction, in no way undermining the efficacy of that state's gun laws.

The thread premise also fails as a lie: that a particular firearm regulatory policy – or firearm regulatory measures collectively – are designed to 'stop all gun crimes,' when in fact nothing could be further from the truth.

No one has maintained that firearm regulatory measures are a 'panacea' for gun violence.

Last, there is no such thing as a 'gun grabber,' this is just another ridiculous lie contrived by the right; no one seeks to 'grab guns,' no one advocates all firearms be 'banned,' and no one advocates that guns be 'confiscated.'

And L.A. and New York have the same strict gun control laws as Chicago, D.C. and Baltimore.....but Chicago, D.C. and Baltimore have more gun murders....

So what you are saying is that L.A. and New York criminals can't drive and get guns.......moron.

 

[jon_berzerk]

Has it yet sunk in to the crevices of your cranium that (a) anybody who wants to can simply drive across the state line, regardless what that state's laws are, and (b) maybe the laws are irrelevant, and rather it's the culture of violence and death that we foster all around us? Not to mention the masculinity issue?

Has it sunk into the crevices of your limited cranial capacity that anyone who wants can probably purchase a any type of firearm they want off the black market which goes across national boundaries or if they have a good machine shop they can produce any type of firearm they want and it's a human condition/culture that has been around since man first picked up a thighbone to hunt for food?

*****CHUCKLE*****

they have a good machine shop they can produce any type of firearm they want

it does not even have to be that good of a machine shop

forget pogo she is persistently short sighted

 

[2aguy]

"Colorado...has everything gun grabbers want...and still has mass shootings..."

The fails as a post hoc fallacy:

“A gun crime was committed in Colorado, therefore Colorado gun laws 'don't work.'"

As already correctly noted: a criminal can bring a gun into a given state from another jurisdiction, in no way undermining the efficacy of that state's gun laws.

The thread premise also fails as a lie: that a particular firearm regulatory policy – or firearm regulatory measures collectively – are designed to 'stop all gun crimes,' when in fact nothing could be further from the truth.

No one has maintained that firearm regulatory measures are a 'panacea' for gun violence.

Last, there is no such thing as a 'gun grabber,' this is just another ridiculous lie contrived by the right; no one seeks to 'grab guns,' no one advocates all firearms be 'banned,' and no one advocates that guns be 'confiscated.'

Last, there is no such thing as a 'gun grabber,' this is just another ridiculous lie contrived by the right; no one seeks to 'grab guns,' no one advocates all firearms be 'banned,' and no one advocates that guns be 'confiscated

That is a lie....the entire democrat leadership seeks to ban guns....they say it when they can get away with it, and ban whatever they can get their hands on...

 

[Pogo]

No shit Sherlock. I've been saying that since I got to this site.

Do you assholes ever actually read the posts you click "reply" on or what?

Gun-fetish culture isn't. That's something we pretty much OWN.

Nope.....only the criminal culture has that problem. Normal gun owners are fine and use guns responsibly....a lot of democrats though....they fit your description...just look at how all the anit gunners here immediately talk about sex when they start talking guns...they have the problem and they need help.

Horse. *******. SHIT-MARU.

Any number of (i.e. most) movies........... any evening of (i.e. most) television............. the comic books you seem to live in............. any number of (i.e. most) video games............ children's toys (those for boys)....... even the everyday language idioms we use: we "shoot for" or "target" something we have "in the crosshairs" and "stick to our guns", maybe even bring in the "big guns" - especially that one, she's a "pistol". If our plan "misfires" we have to "bite the bullet"; if it doesn't we may hit the "bull's eye" and "shoot down" our opposition....

THAT is what I mean by culture. Not some subclass you separate out and pretend they're all by themselves -- the ENTIRE culture drummed into everybody from birth. It's our values, which celebrate and glorify shooting, destroying and killing. We are obsessed with firearms, we always have been, and that chicken's coming home to roost.

​

THAT is what "culture" means. Got nothing to do with "criminals" -- that is but one subset of the overall culture, and they're as much a victim of this sick obsession as the rest of us are.

Most gun murder in the United States is committed by career criminals......mass shootings by white kids is tiny.....and those would be the obvious people influenced by your claims........the criminal class....they are the most influenced by bad culture but only because they have been created by generations of teen mothers raising children....

Normal gun culture is the majority culture with guns.......deviant gun culture is exactly that...deviant, a minority....

over 320 million guns in private hands and only 8,124 gun murders....mostly committed by career criminals with backgrounds of single parent homes...and no real father figures...

And once AGAIN you completely fail to address the point at all.

Are you just illiterate from living in comic books?

I live in reality....you left wing gun grabbers live in the fantasy world....

"Gun grabber" huh?

Link to that is ---- where?

Now you see what I mean about not reading the posts you respond to?

Once AGAIN --- learn to read.
Dismissed.

 

[Damaged Eagle]

Has it yet sunk in to the crevices of your cranium that (a) anybody who wants to can simply drive across the state line, regardless what that state's laws are, and (b) maybe the laws are irrelevant, and rather it's the culture of violence and death that we foster all around us? Not to mention the masculinity issue?

Has it sunk into the crevices of your limited cranial capacity that anyone who wants can probably purchase a any type of firearm they want off the black market which goes across national boundaries or if they have a good machine shop they can produce any type of firearm they want

No shit Sherlock. I've been saying that since I got to this site.

I don't see you saying that here.

Maybe you should take you finger our of your ass and read the ******* post. It's in there. It's always been in there since I came to this site, on this issue, right after Jacksonville and Jovan Belcher and right before Sandy Hook and Webster.

All I see is a progressive nut who doesn't want to hold the person responsible for the crime and wishes to make it harder for the honest person to obtain a item that is legal to purchase. You don't like firearms we get that. If you don't like them then don't purchase the them.

Gun-fetish culture isn't. That's something we pretty much OWN.

Tell that to the people in the Middle East and Africa.

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That's not a culture -- that's yet another subset.

You clowns aren't even listening at all.

It's not a subset it's a culture. Just as the criminal culture in the United States will always be able to obtain firearms no matter how many laws you pass.

It's people like you who are the problem.

You blame the tool instead of the person using the tool.

*****SMILE*****

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

however.......not one law abiding citizen had a gun in he planned parenthood/murder gun free zone.......so gun control actually works like a charm.....

It works very well, when you take into account the true motive behind it. It worked exactly as intended, in this situation, as in many others; only the violent criminal was armed, and no law-abiding citizens were equipped to stop him.

"...only the violent criminal was armed..."

Yes, the cops had toys guns, maybe paintball guns from a recent upgrade. That must have been why his "protection" worked and their "protection" failed? As we all know, guns are for "protection"...

Planned parenthood/murder is a gun free site...no one in the building had a gun.....and yet...this guy had complete access to them for a long time...and shot no one...not the baby killers or the misguided staff and patients........

but it was a gun free zone...except for the shooter....another victory for gun control......

This fails as a confirmation bias fallacy: there is no objective, documented evidence in support of the notion that private citizens carrying guns can 'prevent' a gun crime from occurring; and there is no objective, documented evidence that criminals intent on committing acts of gun violence purposely seek out venues perceived to be 'gun free' to commit their crimes.

'Gun free zones' is another myth and lie contrived by some on the right.

 

[Pogo]

Has it yet sunk in to the crevices of your cranium that (a) anybody who wants to can simply drive across the state line, regardless what that state's laws are, and (b) maybe the laws are irrelevant, and rather it's the culture of violence and death that we foster all around us? Not to mention the masculinity issue?

Has it sunk into the crevices of your limited cranial capacity that anyone who wants can probably purchase a any type of firearm they want off the black market which goes across national boundaries or if they have a good machine shop they can produce any type of firearm they want

No shit Sherlock. I've been saying that since I got to this site.

I don't see you saying that here.

Maybe you should take you finger our of your ass and read the ******* post. It's in there. It's always been in there since I came to this site, on this issue, right after Jacksonville and Jovan Belcher and right before Sandy Hook and Webster.

All I see is a progressive nut who doesn't want to hold the person responsible for the crime and wishes to make it harder for the honest person to obtain a item that is legal to purchase. You don't like firearms we get that. If you don't like them then don't purchase the them.

Gun-fetish culture isn't. That's something we pretty much OWN.

Tell that to the people in the Middle East and Africa.

View attachment 55870

That's not a culture -- that's yet another subset.

You clowns aren't even listening at all.

It's not a subset it's a culture. Just as the criminal culture in the United States will always be able to obtain firearms no matter how many laws you pass.

It's people like you who are the problem.

You blame the tool instead of the person using the tool.

And YOUR link to any of that -- "blaming the tool".... "passing laws" is ..... where?


Same thing.
Sorry, you don't get to just extract it out of your own colon. When you attribute something to me, you have to document it, otherwise---- BULLSHIT.

So you're another liar.

Seriously I don't know what the **** planet you apes come from where you just plunk words in other people's mouths they never said, and it somehow becomes history. That's fucked up.

 

[2aguy]

however.......not one law abiding citizen had a gun in he planned parenthood/murder gun free zone.......so gun control actually works like a charm.....

It works very well, when you take into account the true motive behind it. It worked exactly as intended, in this situation, as in many others; only the violent criminal was armed, and no law-abiding citizens were equipped to stop him.

"...only the violent criminal was armed..."

Yes, the cops had toys guns, maybe paintball guns from a recent upgrade. That must have been why his "protection" worked and their "protection" failed? As we all know, guns are for "protection"...

Planned parenthood/murder is a gun free site...no one in the building had a gun.....and yet...this guy had complete access to them for a long time...and shot no one...not the baby killers or the misguided staff and patients........

but it was a gun free zone...except for the shooter....another victory for gun control......

This fails as a confirmation bias fallacy: there is no objective, documented evidence in support of the notion that private citizens carrying guns can 'prevent' a gun crime from occurring; and there is no objective, documented evidence that criminals intent on committing acts of gun violence purposely seek out venues perceived to be 'gun free' to commit their crimes.

'Gun free zones' is another myth and lie contrived by some on the right.

Except for all of the objective, documented research that private citizens carrying prevent gun crime...

http://crimepreventionresearchcente...-Maryland-Law-Review-Lott-Concealed-Carry.pdf

Lott...list of papers...

Of course, the single paper that Shermer cites was mentioned and discussed at length in the review of the literature that Lott provided in More Guns, Less Crime (click on screen shots to make them larger). Unfortunately, Scientific American wasn’t willing to allow a link to this list of papers.



Do Right-to-carry laws reduce violent crime? - Crime Prevention Research Center



A 2012 survey of the literature is available here. Some of the research showing that concealed carry laws reduce violent crime is listed here.

Crime, Deterrence, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns by John R. Lott, Jr. and David B. Mustard, Journal of Legal Studies, 1997

The Effect of Concealed Weapons Laws: An Extreme Bound Analysis by William Alan Bartley and Mark A Cohen, published in Economic Inquiry, April 1998 (Copy available here)

Criminal Deterrence, Geographic Spillovers, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns by Stephen Bronars and John R. Lott, Jr., American Economic Review, May 1998

The Impact of Gun Laws on Police Deaths by David Mustard, published in the Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Privately Produced General Deterrence By BRUCE L. BENSON AND BRENT D. MAST, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Does the Right to Carry Concealed Handguns Deter Countable Crimes? Only a Count Analysis Can Say By FLORENZ PLASSMANN AND T. NICOLAUS TIDEMAN, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Testing for the Effects of Concealed Weapons Laws: Specification Errors and Robustness By CARLISLE E. MOODY, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Safe-Storage Gun Laws: Accidental Deaths, Suicides, and Crime By JOHN R. LOTT, JR., AND JOHN E. WHITLEY, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Right-to-Carry Concealed Weapon Laws and Homicide in Large U.S. Counties: The Effect on Weapon Types, Victim Characteristics, and Victim-Offender Relationships By DAVID E. OLSON AND MICHAEL D. MALTZ, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

The Impact of Banning Juvenile Gun Possession By Thomas B. Marvell, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Measurement Error in County-Level UCR Data by John R. Lott, Jr. and John Whitley, published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology, June 2003, Volume 19, Issue 2, pp 185-198

Confirming More Guns, Less Crime by Florenz Plassmann and John Whitley, published in the Stanford Law Review, 2003

Using Placebo Laws to Test “More Guns, Less Crime” by Eric Helland and Alexander Tabarrok, published in Advances in Economic Analysis and Policy, 4 (1): Article 1, 2004

Multiple Victim Public Shootings, Bombings, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handgun Laws: Contrasting Private and Public Law Enforcement By John R. Lott, Jr. and William Landes, published in The Bias Against Guns

More Readers of Gun Magazines, But Not More Crimes by Florenz Plassmann and John R. Lott, Jr.

“More Guns, Less Crime” by John R Lott, Jr. (University of Chicago Press, 2010, 3rd edition).

“The Debate on Shall-Issue Laws” by Carlisle e. Moody, Thomas B. Marvell, Paul R Zimmerman, and Fasil Alemante published in Review of Economics & Finance, 2014

“An examination of the effects of concealed weapons laws and assault weapons bans on state-level murder rates” by Mark Giusa published in Applied Economics Letters, Volume 21, Issue 4, 2014

“The Debate on Shall-Issue Laws” by Carlisle e. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, volume 5, number 3, September 2008

“The Debate on Shall Issue Laws, Continued” by Carlisle e. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, Volume 6, Number 2 May 2009

“Did John Lott Provide Bad Data to the NRC? A Note on Aneja, Donohue, and Zhang” by Carlisle e. Moody, John R Lott, Jr, and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, Volume 10, Number 1, January 2013

More Guns, Less Crime: A Response to Ayres and Donohue’s 1999 book review in the American Law and Economics Review by John R. Lott, Jr.

Right-to-Carry Laws and Violent Crime Revisited: Clustering, Measurement Error, and State-by-State Break downs by John R. Lott, Jr.

 

[Damaged Eagle]

however.......not one law abiding citizen had a gun in he planned parenthood/murder gun free zone.......so gun control actually works like a charm.....

It works very well, when you take into account the true motive behind it. It worked exactly as intended, in this situation, as in many others; only the violent criminal was armed, and no law-abiding citizens were equipped to stop him.

"...only the violent criminal was armed..."

Yes, the cops had toys guns, maybe paintball guns from a recent upgrade. That must have been why his "protection" worked and their "protection" failed? As we all know, guns are for "protection"...

Planned parenthood/murder is a gun free site...no one in the building had a gun.....and yet...this guy had complete access to them for a long time...and shot no one...not the baby killers or the misguided staff and patients........

but it was a gun free zone...except for the shooter....another victory for gun control......

This fails as a confirmation bias fallacy: there is no objective, documented evidence in support of the notion that private citizens carrying guns can 'prevent' a gun crime from occurring; and there is no objective, documented evidence that criminals intent on committing acts of gun violence purposely seek out venues perceived to be 'gun free' to commit their crimes.

'Gun free zones' is another myth and lie contrived by some on the right.

Tell that to the people who have had loved ones murdered on educational campuses and other areas that are posted as 'gun free zones' around the country.

*****SMILE*****

 

[2aguy]

however.......not one law abiding citizen had a gun in he planned parenthood/murder gun free zone.......so gun control actually works like a charm.....

It works very well, when you take into account the true motive behind it. It worked exactly as intended, in this situation, as in many others; only the violent criminal was armed, and no law-abiding citizens were equipped to stop him.

"...only the violent criminal was armed..."

Yes, the cops had toys guns, maybe paintball guns from a recent upgrade. That must have been why his "protection" worked and their "protection" failed? As we all know, guns are for "protection"...

Planned parenthood/murder is a gun free site...no one in the building had a gun.....and yet...this guy had complete access to them for a long time...and shot no one...not the baby killers or the misguided staff and patients........

but it was a gun free zone...except for the shooter....another victory for gun control......

This fails as a confirmation bias fallacy: there is no objective, documented evidence in support of the notion that private citizens carrying guns can 'prevent' a gun crime from occurring; and there is no objective, documented evidence that criminals intent on committing acts of gun violence purposely seek out venues perceived to be 'gun free' to commit their crimes.

'Gun free zones' is another myth and lie contrived by some on the right.

You do realize that people have done the research and looked at the places mass shootings have happened and almost all of them were mandated gun free zones....

And that looking at shooters who left notes and videos....picked gun free zones specifically...right...? Twit.

 

[2aguy]

however.......not one law abiding citizen had a gun in he planned parenthood/murder gun free zone.......so gun control actually works like a charm.....

It works very well, when you take into account the true motive behind it. It worked exactly as intended, in this situation, as in many others; only the violent criminal was armed, and no law-abiding citizens were equipped to stop him.

"...only the violent criminal was armed..."

Yes, the cops had toys guns, maybe paintball guns from a recent upgrade. That must have been why his "protection" worked and their "protection" failed? As we all know, guns are for "protection"...

Planned parenthood/murder is a gun free site...no one in the building had a gun.....and yet...this guy had complete access to them for a long time...and shot no one...not the baby killers or the misguided staff and patients........

but it was a gun free zone...except for the shooter....another victory for gun control......

This fails as a confirmation bias fallacy: there is no objective, documented evidence in support of the notion that private citizens carrying guns can 'prevent' a gun crime from occurring; and there is no objective, documented evidence that criminals intent on committing acts of gun violence purposely seek out venues perceived to be 'gun free' to commit their crimes.

'Gun free zones' is another myth and lie contrived by some on the right.

And the studies that ask criminals how they pick victims...and they say they were deterred by people who presented guns.....twit....

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

DAMAGED EAGLE SAID:

"All I see is a progressive nut who doesn't want to hold the person responsible for the crime and wishes to make it harder for the honest person to obtain a item that is legal to purchase. You don't like firearms we get that. If you don't like them then don't purchase the them."

What you don't see is your 'argument' fails as a straw man fallacy.

You contrive the lie that 'progressives' don't want to hold responsible persons who commit gun crimes, and that 'progressives' seek to make it difficult for law abiding persons to obtain firearms, thus misrepresenting the position of 'progressives.'

You then attack the lie you've contrived (straw man) in an effort to attack 'progressives,' when in fact 'progressives' advocate no such thing.