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Again - why do the Palestinian stone throwers get shot while the Jewish ones do not? That's the thing with you guys. You continously make excuses for these double standards.You still utterly fail to address the issue. Why is it the Palestinian stone throwers get a bullet in the back but the Jewish stone throwers don't? Why do you guys just make excuses or justifications?
I could be wrong - maybe you can find an account of a Jewish stone throwing youth getting shot.
Exactly how many Palestinian stone throwers get a bullet in the back?
Here's a list of fatalities attributed to them:
Palestinian stone-throwing - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
Palestinian teen killed by IDF in West Bank after throwing rocks The Times of Israel
Palestinian teenager shot in back by senior Israeli soldier while fleeing World news The Guardian
Shooting to injure Israeli crowd control tactic crippling young Palestinians - The Seattle Globalist
I can't find a single account of a Jewish stone thrower being shot though I can find plenty accounts of then throwing stones.
Settlers throw stones at US Consulate staff in West Bank The Times of Israel
Jewish settlers allegedly throw stones and injure Palestinian girl i24news - See beyond
WATCH IDF stands idly by as settlers throw stones at Palestinians - National News - Jerusalem Post
You asked the question, "Why is it the Palestinian stone throwers get a bullet in the back but the Jewish stone throwers don't?" To which I responded, "Exactly how many Palestinian stone throwers get a bullet in the back?" You failed to answer the question but you did fill an entire page trying to avoid it.
Can you say defection?
Nope. I provided several articles of incidences.
So...how many Jewish stone throwers get shot? Can you answer that?
Nope, you still have not answered the question: How many of the thousands of Palestinian stone throwers get a bullet in the back?
According to Palestinians killed by Israeli security forces in the West Bank after operation Cast Lead B Tselem 11 were shot for throwing stones 2014-15. 3 in the back, including a 10 year old child. 6 were shot in 2013, one in the back. Many were shot in the abdoman. 2012 saw only one fatality. 2011 saw 4 fatalities. In just 4.5 years that is 22 people shot for throwing stones.
Now, as to the thousands of people killed by stone throwers: In the last 26 years, according to Palestinian stone-throwing - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia - 14 people have directly or indirectly from the actions of Palestinian stone throwers.
And the thousands of Jewish settler stone throwers killed for throwing stones...can't find any.
Stone throwing and Media coverage: Palestinian stone-throwing - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
In certain documented cases, Israeli undercover units have thrown stones at uniformed IDF and police alongside Palestinians.[136][137][138][139] According to a Haaretz investigation, police testifying about clashes with protesters in Bil'in have in a number of cases given false testimony by claiming that rocks were being thrown in what were, on analysis, peaceful protests. In other cases in that village Israel Border Police were, nonetheless, injured by rock-throwing.[140] At times false reports of Israelis being injured or killed by Palestinian stone-throwers have circulated. On April 4, 1988 an Israeli teenager, Tirza Porat from the settlement of Elon Moreh was said to have been killed by a stone thrown at a busload of teenagers passing through the village of Beita. Settlers called for the village to be razed, and 13 houses were demolished. Two days later, it emerged she had been shot in the head by a Jewish guard’s bullet.[141][142] Reports of stone-throwing that lead to court cases have at times been dismissed, as trumped-up charges. A soldier, under arrest, swore in an affidavit that a certain Palestinian had thrown stones at him. The accused was shown to be physically disabled, and the case was dismissed, as was another in which a settler identified the defense lawyer, not his client, as the person who threw stones at him.-[143]
According to the testimony of a Courage to Refuse IDF soldier:
During our reserve service at A-Ram junction, near Ramallah, we were joined by a Mistaravim unit (undercover unit of soldiers disguised as Arabs), whose assignment was to catch people who were throwing stones at Israeli vehicles that passed by on the road. The stone throwers were children, who engaged in this practice every morning on the way to school. One of the Mistaravim started to chase a boy, shouted at him to stop, fired in the air, and when the boy did not stop, shot and killed him. The boy's body - he was about nine.was brought to our outpost. After half an hour, the boy's father arrived. No one wanted to tell him what happened to his son, and the father paced anxiously back and forth for some time next to the gate. Two hours later I heard the news on the radio, including an IDF spokesman's announcement: "A group of Palestinians this morning attacked soldiers with stones at A-Ram Junction. A 14-year-old Palestinian youth was killed in the disturbances".'[144]
According to the testimony of a Courage to Refuse IDF soldier:
During our reserve service at A-Ram junction, near Ramallah, we were joined by a Mistaravim unit (undercover unit of soldiers disguised as Arabs), whose assignment was to catch people who were throwing stones at Israeli vehicles that passed by on the road. The stone throwers were children, who engaged in this practice every morning on the way to school. One of the Mistaravim started to chase a boy, shouted at him to stop, fired in the air, and when the boy did not stop, shot and killed him. The boy's body - he was about nine.was brought to our outpost. After half an hour, the boy's father arrived. No one wanted to tell him what happened to his son, and the father paced anxiously back and forth for some time next to the gate. Two hours later I heard the news on the radio, including an IDF spokesman's announcement: "A group of Palestinians this morning attacked soldiers with stones at A-Ram Junction. A 14-year-old Palestinian youth was killed in the disturbances".'[144]
Jewish Settlers and Stone Throwing:
When youths from Ein Yabrud threw stones at passing cars in October 1992, settlers assailed the village, using the same method, of throwing stones.[151] Settlers from Gush Katif retaliated to stone-throwing by a young man from Shuja'iyya by shooting him dead on January 19, 1993. On 2 March 1993, a Jewish truck driver responded similarly, killing a stone-thrower from Ras al-Amud. 11 January 1988 Pinchas Wallerstein, head of Mateh Binyamin Regional Council, and his guard reacted to stone-throwing by killing one, and wounding another Palestinian involved. On 30 September 1988 Rabbi Moshe Levinger after one such incident, got out of his car, walked back down a road and shot not at the stone-throwers but at shopwindows, killing a shopkeeper across the road unconnected to the episode.[151][152] The similarities produced different responses from the IDF. In Hebron. where stone throwing is frequent, when settler youths stone both Palestinians or Christian Peacemaker Teams (CPT), the IDF responds to complaints by saying that the stone-throwers are ‘only kids’, and arrests or interventions are rare. Where Hebron Palestinian youths throw stones, the same units do not hesitate to arrest the culprits and blame their parents.[153] Settlers organized ‘independent armed patrols’ employing firearms to shoot when they encountered stoning or road blocks. The situation was summed up by an IDF commander, who stated that, ‘Almost any event of Palestinian attack elicits ad hoc a violent response that is organized by the settlers’.[151]
Settlers are know to set ambushes and throw rocks at cars with Palestinian number plates, according to Neve Gordon, in order to terrorize them into not resisting their dispossession or to “persuade” them to leave certain areas.[154] Yitzhar youths have stoned police cars entering their settlement.[155] One soldier, who helped create Breaking the Silence, mentioned an elderly woman being stoned by young settler girls as she carried her groceries past them, and that there explanation was to ask him if he knew what the aged Palestinian had done during the 1929 Hebron massacre.[156] In the Hebron Hills, at places like Al Bowereh, settlers frequently stone Palestinian children on their way to school, since their parents cannot use cars, and IDF guards or CPT members escort them.[157]
Settlers are know to set ambushes and throw rocks at cars with Palestinian number plates, according to Neve Gordon, in order to terrorize them into not resisting their dispossession or to “persuade” them to leave certain areas.[154] Yitzhar youths have stoned police cars entering their settlement.[155] One soldier, who helped create Breaking the Silence, mentioned an elderly woman being stoned by young settler girls as she carried her groceries past them, and that there explanation was to ask him if he knew what the aged Palestinian had done during the 1929 Hebron massacre.[156] In the Hebron Hills, at places like Al Bowereh, settlers frequently stone Palestinian children on their way to school, since their parents cannot use cars, and IDF guards or CPT members escort them.[157]